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RizzyKing 17-09-2007 13:24
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Many things stirred up the current feeling among many and the press definately played a part so if she wants to blame it all on us let her knock herself out.

Pierre 17-09-2007 13:28
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34397704)
A bad decision is a one off this wasn't a one off it was every night they were on holiday. Pierre no i don't have compassion for them because where my kids are concerned i never take a chance so i am judging them by my standards shoot me.
Of course you know it was every night for a fact don't you?

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34397708)
Oh right so professional people cannot be neglectful glad we got that sorted. You do realise how stupid that sounds neglect doesn't have a social or demographic class.
ThaI'm not saying that cannot be neglectful, I'm just saying that two doctors I would be suprised at being neglectful.

It doesn't sound stupid to me.

RizzyKing 17-09-2007 13:30
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
That fact is not denied and has been confirmed pierre. It was routine for them to leave the kids while they went to the tapas bar.

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No what your saying is if it had been some single mum from a council estate you'd find it easier to believe neglect.

Pierre 17-09-2007 13:31
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34397714)
If they had been a couple of 'chavs' on benefits, on holiday, hitting the clubs everynight whilst leaving their kids in a apartment alone, I bet they'd fit most peoples profiles of being neglective parents.
Correct, in fact said Chav would probably leave the kids in the UK by themselves and head of to Majorca

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You cannot say someone is not a neglective parent based on their profession. And yes you might be right in that we dont know how they are with their kids at home, but based on the evidence that they left their kids alone, unsupervised on more than one occassion, (i.e not a one off so you can call it a bad decision or a mistake) I can reach my assumption that they have been neglective and for that I'd have no problem with them being investigated.
You cannot say for certain, of course not, but you can make a judgement about someones character based on how they present themselves, their profession etc,etc

How many times did they leave the kids alone???

zing_deleted 17-09-2007 13:33
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34397727)
That fact is not denied and has been confirmed pierre. It was routine for them to leave the kids while they went to the tapas bar.

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No what your saying is if it had been some single mum from a council estate you'd find it easier to believe neglect.
and that therefore is prejudiced.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34397729)
Correct, in fact said Chav would probably leave the kids in the UK by themselves and head of to Majorca



You cannot say for certain, of course not, but you can make a judgement about someones character based on how they present themselves, their profession etc,etc

How many times did they leave the kids alone???
that is very judgemental and prejudiced and im appalled you would make such a statement. A good education does not me mean you have common sense

I look after my daughter on my own weekends and im not a chav and I live on a council estate and ive took offence at what you have said

Pierre 17-09-2007 13:33
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34397727)
That fact is not denied and has been confirmed pierre. It was routine for them to leave the kids while they went to the tapas bar.

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No what your saying is if it had been some single mum from a council estate you'd find it easier to believe neglect.
I haven't heard them say they left them every night, or indeed how many nights they did it. Have you? Or are you just believing what you hear on web discussion sites?

and in answer to your second point - yes

Saaf_laandon_mo 17-09-2007 13:33
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34397720)
Of course you know it was every night for a fact don't you?
I think you'd find that it was not a one off and in fact a frequent occurence on their holiday to leave the kids alone in bed whilst going to dinner. When the story first broke it was one of the criticisms made at the McCanns, saying that any paedo/abductor could have monitored their patterns and reached a conclusion that she'd be alone in the evening.

It might not have been every night, but it was definately more than one.

zing_deleted 17-09-2007 13:36
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34397732)
I haven't heard them say they left them every night, or indeed how many nights they did it. Have you? Or are you just believing what you hear on web discussion sites?

and in answer to your second point - yes


you are really extracting the urine now matey

Pierre 17-09-2007 13:39
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34397730)
and that therefore is prejudiced.

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that is very judgemental and prejudiced and im appalled you would make such a statement. A good education does not me mean you have common sense

I look after my daughter on my own weekends and im not a chav and I live on a council estate and ive took offence at what you have said
Well you take offence to whatever you like.

For fear of going side ways here:

If you are mugged but don't know by who, and you report it to the police who would they suspect more,

1. the gang of hoodys
2. the gang of GPs

all I'm saying is that in my opinion I would not expect two doctors to be willfully neglectful, and /or willfully harm their child.

That is not a crazy view point to have - is it

peanut 17-09-2007 13:39
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34397740)
That is not a crazy view point to have - is it
Yes it is. :rolleyes:

zing_deleted 17-09-2007 13:40
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34397740)
Well you take offence to whatever you like.

For fear of going side ways here:

If you are mugged but don't know by who, and you report it to the police who would they suspect more,

1. the gang of hoodys
2. the gang of GPs

all I'm saying is that in my opinion I would not expect two doctors to be willfully neglectful, and /or willfully harm their child.

That is not a crazy view point to have - is it

They left the kids while they went out ergo they were neglectful fact not fiction so your judgements are wrong. And you have now openly admitted you are prejudiced and therefore not to be taken seriously

RizzyKing 17-09-2007 13:41
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Harold shipman ring a bell with you he was doctor and he took the "do no harm" oath yeah that worked. People are people irrespective of their profession. Your arrogant view of people is staggering i see on a daily basis the love we council tenants have for our kids and the care we take of them. Your assertion only proves that profession will get them off when the single mum would have had social services all over her by now.

Damien 17-09-2007 13:42
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Relax everyone. Your all going crazy, there is no need to get angry at each other. If people want to blame the parents let them, and same for those who are defending them. It's not going to hurt the feeling of anymore nor effect the case. Everyone is too emotional about this story now.

Damien 17-09-2007 13:44
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Also, In Pierre's defense, I suspect that their are higher levels of crime and possibly bad parenting in poorer communities.

zing_deleted 17-09-2007 13:46
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34397746)
Insults and shouting are the last resorts for people don't have the intellect to discuss.
and being prejudiced towards a class of people is what exactlly? thoughtful intelligent? reasonable? none of the above

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34397749)
Also, In Pierre's defense, I suspect that their are higher levels of crime and possibly bad parenting in poorer communities.
who do you think the biggest crooks in society are? the poor? or those who constantly fiddle the tax or corruption in business? what do you think costs the taxplayer most? the poor or the rich fiddlers?corruption knows no class

I also hope your not saying you have to have money to be a good parent there


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