Cable Forum - Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

No it doesn't at all, or are you trying to suggest that the vast majority of shareholders were present at the AGM? If you are then you very very mistaken.

Alexander Hanff
(Catching up from page 918)

Alex, I never said they were present.
You do not have to be present at an AGM to vote. Well over 90% of the votes cast were in favour of all the AGM resolutions.

AlexanderHanff

14-08-2008 11:08

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by Deko (Post 34619811)

Cough..... back on track now.

Has Alex had an update from the police on the file that was submitted to them ?

City of London Police appear to have misplaced the case file. no-one knows where it is and the "Specialist Crime Unit" I was told it would be passed to DOES NOT EXIST.

I have given CoL until 1pm to get back to me with some information if they fail to do this I will be contacting IPCC, the press/media and my MP and HoL contacts.

You can probably understand I am currently very angry.

Alexander Hanff

HamsterWheel

14-08-2008 11:11

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff (Post 34621016)

City of London Police appear to have misplaced the case file.
Alexander Hanff

Probably propping up a wonky desk somewhere. I trust you kept a copy ?

AlexanderHanff

14-08-2008 11:13

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by HamsterWheel (Post 34619891)

No, back in the real world all they've done is test a bit of new software.

No back in the real world they have broken EU and UK law (criminal and civil).

Alexander Hanff

Peter N

14-08-2008 11:23

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff (Post 34621016)

Forum rules prevent me from expressing myself adequately so suffice to say that I think that they should have done better than this.

Dephormation

14-08-2008 11:39

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff (Post 34621016)

What the?

:wtf:

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I can find details of the Metropolitan Police Specialist Crime Unit.

AlexanderHanff

14-08-2008 11:41

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by Dephormation (Post 34621026)

What the?

:wtf:

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I can find details of the Metropolitan Police Specialist Crime Unit.

I was told this would be going to CoL Specialist Crime Unit (in front of a journalist so I have a witness). I will update as soon as I have more info.

Alexander Hanff

Rchivist

14-08-2008 11:42

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Originally Posted by HamsterWheel (Post 34621019)

unhelpful content snipped...

If you would like to get back to the issues around Phorm, Webwise and Adverts, then did you see my post
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34...post13914.html
and are you ready to get down to relevant detail? I have my list almost completed - just needs a little tweaking and editing, and then I can produce a list of neatly numbered factual questions directed to you that are still needing properly substantiated answers, from your first post here, to yesterday's date.

Remember you need to commit to answering them ALL as best as you can, or else the list won't be posted.

Otherwise there is a real danger we will waste a lot of time here going round and round in an orgy of mutual provocation about off topic issues. I for one am not prepared to tolerate that and will make my feelings known through the appropriate channels.

Dephormation

14-08-2008 11:50

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

City of London Police have a business fraud desk (apparently the term Fraud Squad was replaced by Specialist Crime in the Met, not sure about CoL).
http://www.cityoflondon.police.uk/Ci...inessfraud.htm

City of London Police fraud desk:

Telephone: 020 7601 6999
Fax: 020 7601 2345
Email: frauddesk@city-of-london.pnn.police.uk

They have some helpful Fraud prevention tips;

Quote:

Fraud Prevention Helpful Hints

* Issue a statement of company integrity. This should provide a clear message from the boardroom about the organisation's legal and ethical values.
* Develop an anti-fraud policy and culture which ensures that commercially prudent measures are taken. This should be determined by management, and be commensurate with operational activity.
* Know your staff. Many frauds are committed in collusion with staff. Check CVs and take up references. The more sensitive the holder's position, the more detailed your enquiry should be. When staff move within an organisation, remember to change their computer and building access level.
* Encourage a whistle-blowing philosophy within your company. Very often other employees know or suspect something but do nothing about it.
* Have broadly-based and effective contingency and recovery plans. Have powers vested in managers to cancel or freeze transactions as soon as fraud is discovered. Undue delay often means that funds have been transferred beyond reach.
* Take a hard line on culprits. Give a clear message that they will be caught, prosecuted and, where necessary, pursued through the civil courts to recover losses

BT might be able to incorporate those suggestions in their business model.

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More CoL Specialist Crime info

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Career
Mr Wilmott was previously the Basic Command Unit (BCU) Commander of the Specialist Crime Organisation. Before that he was Commander at Bishopsgate Division and held this role between December 2000 and January 2003.

And they are on this chart as Specialist Crime Operations. Interesting... That part of the CoL Police would include "Major Crime Investigation and Surveillance" so perhaps they know where the dossier went?

The reporting line takes you to the assistant commissioner Frank Armstrong if I'm not mistaken.

According to this picture it is Det Ch Supt Steve Head who leads the Specialist Crime Operations.

I'll leave it there. Alex if you need more info just ask.

oblonsky

14-08-2008 11:55

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff (Post 34621034)

I was told this would be going to CoL Specialist Crime Unit (in front of a journalist so I have a witness). I will update as soon as I have more info.

Alexander Hanff

City of London Police have a Specialist Crime DEPARTMENT:

http://company.monster.co.uk/colpuk/#scd

Furthermore, the Metropolitain Police have a Specialist Crime DIRECTORATE, replacing the old "Fraud Squad". A couple of posters have mentioned talking to their local police and being told that the Met were investigating.

http://www.met.police.uk/scd/special...list_crime.htm

O.

AlexanderHanff

14-08-2008 11:57

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

They have now located the file and given me the crime reference number as well as the details of the DS in CID (at Snowhill) who is in charge of the case. I waiting for him to call me back and will update again once I have more info.

So despite the SCU myth they spun me at least they have found it and confimed it has a crime number and is being investigated. I am still unhappy at being misled but I look forward to an update from the DS in charge of the case in the next couple of hours.

Alexander Hanff

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Quote:

Originally Posted by oblonsky (Post 34621044)

It was CoL Head Office who told me explicitly that they have no specialist crime departments at CoL on the phone this morning and the latest information on the case file seems to support this (the case is with CID).

Alexander Hanff

Rchivist

14-08-2008 12:08

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff (Post 34621045)

Thanks for the update Alex. Good to know there is actually a crime reference number allocated. I wonder how BT feel about being the 2006/2007 Webwise trials being the subject of an active official City of London Police criminal investigation?

One presumes the investigating officers won't be going through the overseas help desk, and that BT may just have to do a little bit more than refer them to the April 2008 Webwise FAQ.

It could be a novel experience for some people, answering police questions, and having to really think hard about whether the answers are true.

Certainly a bit different from dealing with customers, when you can just decide to turn off the tap and keep silent.

It is obviously time now for certain people to be seeking/obtaining legal advice/er/opinion, again...

HamsterWheel

14-08-2008 12:15

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Originally Posted by R Jones (Post 34621036)

I for one am not prepared to tolerate that and will make my feelings known through the appropriate channels.

Hang on a minute - if you're already getting narky is there really any point in foisting the list on me ?
Happy to have a bash at it if you're going to be a gentleman about it. But if you load it with aggression I'll ignore it.
Your call.

MovedGoalPosts

14-08-2008 12:19

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We will not accept users baiting each other. Debate nicely, or don't post thank you.

A reminder to all. The reported post function shouldn't be used simply because you don't agree that others have an opposing stance on a matter to yourself. It should only be used where the forum's terms of use have been broken.

davethejag

14-08-2008 12:27

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Hi, FT.com article but nothing new! -

http://blogs.ft.com/gapperblog/2008/...you-read-this/

Dave.

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