Re: President Trump 2.0
 

Objectivity = swallowing what the Washington Post spouts forth is it?

Re: President Trump 2.0
 

Jeez, you joke about the worst that could happen and find Trump's US is en route to deliver just that.

Re: President Trump 2.0
 

Remember when Trump's DUI hire Secretary of Defence Hegseth said:

Well .. the Atlantic has revealed the war plan he texted :)

Here Are the Attack Plans That Trump’s Advisers Shared on Signal

Plus more discussion on making Europe pay ...

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They're more interesting What's Apps than our politicians get caught out on!

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It reads like one of those comedy text message exchanges supposedly between hapless parents and their kids that used to get screenshotted and shared around.

Unbelievable that these total imbeciles have got so close to so much power.

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Unbelievable that no one is held to account for the mistake of including the journalist and the whole group for using an unsafe platform to discuss upcoming military activity! *

I did initially wonder that because it was so obviously slack practice, it might even be a dead cat to draw attention from something else (a la Dominic Cummings thinking) but it just looks like Tump's de facto incompetence now.

* Yeah but Hillary's emails. :D

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Trump’s Razor is sharp as ever.

Don’t ascribe to 4D chess what you can ascribe to crass stupidity.

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As a rule, favouring cock-up over conspiracy theory works. But this was so appalling that it had me wondering for at least five minutes!

What would happen with a similar scenario in the UK?
https://news.sky.com/story/fired-imm...ister-13335742

Update: Trump has now imposed a 25% tariff on imported cars.

Is this the real dead cat and Signalgate the topic they want people to stop talking about? Or as Chris suggests, probably not, and it's just more business-unfriendly chaos!

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Interesting that whoever said "they would be sacked" wouldn't put their name to it. I think they underestimate the British establishment's capability for arsecovering.

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Sending confidential military operation plans to a signal group whose controls are so lax that you also end up sending them to a journalist - or anyone without clearance - will get you fired. That isn't something debatable within the UK.

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Not really unbelievable since the President has got away with many crimes. The standard has been set. If you're on his side, anything goes...
I think we can conclude the USA is a stupidest nation in the world. Bigly. (we're a close second)

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but if we deported you we'd be 92nd :)

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As a Minister can only be “fired” by the PM surely that’s down to the principles or otherwise of the PM? There’s plenty of stuff that used to be a slam dunk - fiddling your expenses, lying to Parliament, lying by to the reigning Monarch, that are open questions in the UK in the 2020s.

My money would be on someone else taking the fall - whoever set up the group. As I understand it Signal is an approved app for the Department of Defense.

Then again being sacked in disgrace isn’t what it used to be either. An ermine cloak and being resurrected as the UK Ambassador to the USA couldn’t be ruled out.

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it happens......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57624942

Happened under Biden too.

https://news.sky.com/story/ministry-...uracy-12855476

Re: President Trump 2.0
 

The Greenland thing continues. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgwjllld1ro

Danish TV also said that US representatives went to several homes in Greenland to ask if the residents would welcome a visit from Usha Vance, but they declined. Along with a business that had previously accepted her visit revoking that invitation when it emerged she would be joined by Mike Waltz.

I am not sure how the US thinks this is going to work. Denmark is against the US taking Greenland, the residents are against the US taking their home. The only way it looks like happening is if they take it by force. The US can do that, but they're unlikely to go that far.

So that's the point in continuing to sabrerattle on it?

One of the more bizarre traits of the Trump administration is their willingness to upset their allies for no good reason other than to upset them. It's a Government of trolls. It's the same as Vance having a pop at the UK over our military. What good did that do them? It made the UK population turn more against America, and they gained nothing from it.

Yes, well done, you've dismissed the efforts and even lives given by the UK in partnership with you and thus upset everyone in the country. Why?