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RichardCoulter 19-08-2025 13:19
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It's certainly causing a great deal of coverage & discussion today. It's unfortunate that it's taken this part of the Act to be implemented before the public have taken notice and put their views forward.

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36201393)
LOL, they really do have no clue, thats like saying age check a kettle before you plug it in.
Could they not require providers of VPN's to people in the UK to become registered users and only allow those over 18 to use them?? I can't think of any legitimate reason why children would need a VPN.

Paul 19-08-2025 14:28
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36201395)
I can't think of any legitimate reason why children would need a VPN.
Ever heard of Privacy ? Thats the main reason VPNs exist, aside from that of course, VPNs are either on or off, they dont care who you are.

Carth 19-08-2025 15:37
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36201395)
It's certainly causing a great deal of coverage & discussion today. It's unfortunate that it's taken this part of the Act to be implemented before the public have taken notice and put their views forward.

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Could they not require providers of VPN's to people in the UK to become registered users and only allow those over 18 to use them?? I can't think of any legitimate reason why children would need a VPN.
Richard, stop trying to extend the amount of 'not allowed' instead of seeing how ridiculous things are. Every time there's a valid (not illegal)work around to the problem, the answer isn't to then invalidate that work around to cause even more problems elsewhere.

RichardCoulter 19-08-2025 18:09
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36201408)
Richard, stop trying to extend the amount of 'not allowed' instead of seeing how ridiculous things are. Every time there's a valid (not illegal)work around to the problem, the answer isn't to then invalidate that work around to cause even more problems elsewhere.
This is what's been suggested by the Children's Commisioner. I'm interested to know how/if they could age verify VPN's.

Itshim 19-08-2025 18:20
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Originally Posted by jem (Post 36201367)
Ditto, VM don’t ‘support’ VPNs but that just means that if you have an issue with one, VM won’t help you - fine!

The 'not supporting’ is sometimes misunderstood as meaning that they don’t allow or ban them. And considering that some VPN protocols run over https; I’m really not sure how they could even if they wanted to!
Sorry l didn't make any comment about virgin supporting anything:rolleyes: let's be honest their support for anything is poor.

mrmistoffelees 19-08-2025 18:36
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36201395)
It's certainly causing a great deal of coverage & discussion today. It's unfortunate that it's taken this part of the Act to be implemented before the public have taken notice and put their views forward.

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Could they not require providers of VPN's to people in the UK to become registered users and only allow those over 18 to use them?? I can't think of any legitimate reason why children would need a VPN.
Steaming of content on services such as Netflix / Prime Video which isn’t available in their home region. Or even having a Netflix account based in the country eg Turkey (costs much less than the UK)

Making purchases/ downloading games from PSN store that are cheaper on countries such as Turkey

Making people who are VPN users register and is only available to those over eighteen allowed to use them ? What a moronic statement , why not just ban under eighteens from purchasing anything that can connect to the internet.

tweetiepooh 20-08-2025 12:59
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36201416)
Steaming of content on services such as Netflix / Prime Video which isn’t available in their home region. Or even having a Netflix account based in the country eg Turkey (costs much less than the UK)

Making purchases/ downloading games from PSN store that are cheaper on countries such as Turkey
None of those are legitimate.

mrmistoffelees 20-08-2025 13:07
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36201444)
None of those are legitimate.
Yes they are , you might not like it but it’s perfectly legit otherwise sites like hotukdeals would advertise such things

Paul 20-08-2025 14:09
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I suppose that depends on what you mean by "Legit".
Possibly not illegal, but I bet they are against Netflix's terms of service.

Sirius 20-08-2025 17:42
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36201382)
I don't think that the idea is to ask children to stop using a VPN, but to take proactive steps to stop them.

The Children's Commissioner said today that people accessing porn in the UK had severely reduced, but that the use of VPN's had severely increased. As a result she is to recommend to the Government that age verification is extended to VPN's.

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I dont recall her saying that.
Good luck putting Age verification on VPN's provided from outside the UK.

Richard

Please explain to me how this joke of a Government will force Age verification on a VPN provided from let's say Japan.

The view i have is that these Government advisers don't have a sodding clue about VPN's or how they are provided. They seem to think the Government can force any company they want be it in the UK or outside to do as they say. BTW the Government has withdrawn its request to apple to put a back door in there software so they could snoop on users data, Apple told them to sod off.

https://www.wsj.com/tech/u-s-officia...-data-ea74eda2

Itshim 20-08-2025 18:50
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36201458)
Good luck putting Age verification on VPN's provided from outside the UK.

Richard

Please explain to me how this joke of a Government will force Age verification on a VPN provided from let's say Japan.

The view i have is that these Government advisers don't have a sodding clue about VPN's or how they are provided. They seem to think the Government can force any company they want be it in the UK or outside to do as they say. BTW the Government has withdrawn its request to apple to put a back door in there software so they could snoop on users data, Apple told them to sod off.

https://www.wsj.com/tech/u-s-officia...-data-ea74eda2
I was once told that to be a lawyer , you need a good memory, be too stupid to run a business, and live on a different planet mentally to normal people, not having a clue of how things run in the real world.thinking. this also describes MPs

mrmistoffelees 20-08-2025 18:55
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36201451)
I suppose that depends on what you mean by "Legit".
Possibly not illegal, but I bet they are against Netflix's terms of service.
I’ll take a virtual beer ;) far from being against their terms it would appear ?

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/119024

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/114701

Hugh 20-08-2025 19:22
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36201460)
I was once told that to be a lawyer , you need a good memory, be too stupid to run a business, and live on a different planet mentally to normal people, not having a clue of how things run in the real world.thinking. this also describes MPs
Kenneth Chenault (Chairman/CEO Amex), Lloyd Blankfein (CEO Goldman Sachs), Charlie Munger (Vice-Chair Berkshire Hathaway, David Rubenstein (co-founder and co-Chair Carlyle Group), and many others, may disagree with your characterisation... ;)

peanut 20-08-2025 19:24
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36201467)
Kenneth Chenault (Chairman/CEO Amex), Lloyd Blankfein (CEO Goldman Sachs), Charlie Munger (Vice-Chair Berkshire Hathaway, David Rubenstein (co-founder and co-Chair Carlyle Group), and many others, may disagree with your characterisation... ;)
Who are the many others? Please list every one so we can fact check and verify ..... ;)

RichardCoulter 20-08-2025 20:02
Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36201458)
Good luck putting Age verification on VPN's provided from outside the UK.

Richard

Please explain to me how this joke of a Government will force Age verification on a VPN provided from let's say Japan.

The view i have is that these Government advisers don't have a sodding clue about VPN's or how they are provided. They seem to think the Government can force any company they want be it in the UK or outside to do as they say. BTW the Government has withdrawn its request to apple to put a back door in there software so they could snoop on users data, Apple told them to sod off.

https://www.wsj.com/tech/u-s-officia...-data-ea74eda2
They haven't said that they will do. If they decided to, I have no idea- which is why I was asking about the technicalities of doing so.

What hurdles do you envisage?


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