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joglynne 30-03-2022 11:02

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
I knew there was a thread about the No 10 parties. Don't understand why I couldn't find it ... maybe time to revisit Specsavers. Here's the link I gave yesterday about " Partygate: Met Police to issue first fines" which prompted OB's posts. :)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60906757

Sephiroth 30-03-2022 11:37

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
I reckon that a lot of people will be very sore at the No. 10 goings on and will not accept that Boris was oblivious to any of this.

For what my view is worth, any credit given to Boris for supporting Ukraine, minus the visa shambles, would not absolve him from presiding over "one law for the plebs and another for No. 10".

But, should he resign? Let's put it this way: If there was anyone else worthy of running the ship, yes - he should resign. I can't stand the man for all the reasons I've previously given. Expect a Tory wipe out of sorts instead.

joglynne 30-03-2022 11:54

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36117768)
I reckon that a lot of people will be very sore at the No. 10 goings on and will not accept that Boris was oblivious to any of this.

For what my view is worth, any credit given to Boris for supporting Ukraine, minus the visa shambles, would not absolve him from presiding over "one law for the plebs and another for No. 10".

But, should he resign? Let's put it this way: If there was anyone else worthy of running the ship, yes - he should resign. I can't stand the man for all the reasons I've previously given. Expect a Tory wipe out of sorts instead.

I agree. Also who would actually want to take his place. Any Conservative MP would have to see that becoming PM at this stage would be a Kiss of Death to their future career aspirations.

Maggy 30-03-2022 11:55

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
It's the comments I'm seeing on FB that annoy me the most.Implying that it's no big issue that he and his team at number 10 didn't obey the rules.If we don't find those in charge accountable at ANY point then why bother having any kind of democracy?

OLD BOY 30-03-2022 11:57

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36117768)
I reckon that a lot of people will be very sore at the No. 10 goings on and will not accept that Boris was oblivious to any of this.

For what my view is worth, any credit given to Boris for supporting Ukraine, minus the visa shambles, would not absolve him from presiding over "one law for the plebs and another for No. 10".

But, should he resign? Let's put it this way: If there was anyone else worthy of running the ship, yes - he should resign. I can't stand the man for all the reasons I've previously given. Expect a Tory wipe out of sorts instead.

I think we need to wait for Sue Gray’s report, which will be published in full once the police investigation is over and done with. Too many assumptions are being made and for all we know, Boris may well have been in the dark about these goings on.

He has restructured his No 10 team in response to what he has discovered. If he is found to have been complicit in all this, fair enough, but let’s get the facts before we pass final judgement.

joglynne 30-03-2022 12:02

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36117771)
It's the comments I'm seeing on FB that annoy me the most.Implying that it's no big issue that he and his team at number 10 didn't obey the rules.If we don't find those in charge accountable at ANY point then why bother having any kind of democracy?

Absolutely agree. I stopped reading the comments in most of my old haunts some time ago.

:erm: Those that I do still read, such as here, I have found myself writing a comment then deleting it as I know it will only prompt either sarky comments or be totally ignored.

Sephiroth 30-03-2022 12:08

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36117772)
I think we need to wait for Sue Gray’s report, which will be published in full once the police investigation is over and done with. Too many assumptions are being made and for all we know, Boris may well have been in the dark about these goings on.

He has restructured his No 10 team in response to what he has discovered. If he is found to have been complicit in all this, fair enough, but let’s get the facts before we pass final judgement.

What has already been published from the Sue Gray report damns him. His own house and he was photographed being present.


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Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36117774)
Absolutely agree. I stopped reading the comments in most of my old haunts some time ago.

:erm: Those that I do still read, such as here, I have found myself writing a comment then deleting it as I know it will only prompt either sarky comments or be totally ignored.

The "sarky comments" are the ones that make for the most fun!

OLD BOY 30-03-2022 12:09

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36117775)
What has already been published from the Sue Gray report damns him. His own house and he was photographed being present.

No, it doesn’t. That is only part of the evidence. Where is the context?

I think too many people are applying the ‘gotcha’ mentality without even caring whether it’s the truth or not.

Well, I want the truth, not the speculation or the slant some like to put on this.

Sephiroth 30-03-2022 12:15

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36117777)
No, it doesn’t. That is only part of the evidence. Where is the context?

I think too many people are applying the ‘gotcha’ mentality without even caring whether it’s the truth or not.

Well, I want the truth, not the speculation or the slant some like to put on this.

OB, Boris is an open book - he lies openly, he attends No. 10 parties openly (see photo), had to apologise to Parliament.



OLD BOY 30-03-2022 12:44

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36117778)
OB, Boris is an open book - he lies openly, he attends No. 10 parties openly (see photo), had to apologise to Parliament.



Clearly, Seph, your mind is closed now and no amount of factual information will persuade you otherwise.

He has apologised to Parliament for the actions of his staff, not for his own conduct.

Not long to wait now. Let’s not go round in another circle until we have the actual facts.

Sephiroth 30-03-2022 14:11

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36117785)
Clearly, Seph, your mind is closed now and no amount of factual information will persuade you otherwise.

He has apologised to Parliament for the actions of his staff, not for his own conduct.

Not long to wait now. Let’s not go round in another circle until we have the actual facts.

My mind is closed in terms my opinion of Boris; an insincere man interested in his own aggrandisement.

If the Gray report is very clear that Boris did not break the law, then I'll accept that. Any weasel wording, then my mind remains closed.


Hugh 30-03-2022 16:52

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36117785)
Clearly, Seph, your mind is closed now and no amount of factual information will persuade you otherwise.

He has apologised to Parliament for the actions of his staff, not for his own conduct.

Not long to wait now. Let’s not go round in another circle until we have the actual facts.

From the other thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36117749)
I am talking about the waste of so many questions on Question Time in the house that he wasted on this nonsense, accusing the PM of being personally responsible.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-60925233

Quote:

Lockdown parties: PM accepts responsibility over rule breaches, says Dominic Raab

Itshim 30-03-2022 17:42

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
Had party really don't care , we had one in the restaurant at the sendd , no one did anything about the am,s at that ,but they were labour

daveeb 30-03-2022 18:58

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36117802)
Had party really don't care , we had one in the restaurant at the sendd , no one did anything about the am,s at that ,but they were labour


I don't really understand any of that, but the point is nobody should have been having any parties least of all those who decided we couldn't have them and made it a criminal offence to do so.

GrimUpNorth 30-03-2022 20:08

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36117777)
No, it doesn’t. That is only part of the evidence. Where is the context?

I think too many people are applying the ‘gotcha’ mentality without even caring whether it’s the truth or not.

Well, I want the truth, not the speculation or the slant some like to put on this.

Classic Old Boy, where have you been the last few weeks? How I've missed your middle of the road mindset.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36117785)
Clearly, Seph, your mind is closed now and no amount of factual information will persuade you otherwise.

He has apologised to Parliament for the actions of his staff, not for his own conduct.

Not long to wait now. Let’s not go round in another circle until we have the actual facts.

And the classics continue, just do a find and replace for Seph to Old Boy.....


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