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I can’t understand what Corbyn is playing at. His party members might be remainy but his voters aren’t. He can’t hide from the electorate forever, and the mood music coming out of Brussels is that there will be no extension beyond 31 October regardless of what the Commons does. How will he resist demands for an election if we leave with no deal? How will he persuade anyone to vote for him in such circumstances? Surely he has now to stop playing politics and at the very least whip his MPs to abstain. Alternatively, a free vote.

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I think he wants to stay in opposition and not be in government,i doubt if he is up to the task anyway.

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This could be all my Christmas’s come at once, Brexit ( well not really but glad to see the ref result honoured) and the demise of that jerk ( American meaning) Corbyn. ( definitely an early Christmas present)

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Why do you think his voters aren't? I don't think that is clear at all. Certainly you could say that the voters in a lot of Labour seats are largely Leave but Labour's voters in those seats are often disproportionately Remain.

See here for an example of this: https://www.britishelectionstudy.com.../#.Xai8zC-ZM61

I think the bigger problem for Corbyn is how he is going to square the argument that he only wanted to avoid a No Deal Brexit after he votes against a Brexit Deal. This'll be electoral catnip for the Tories. The Liberal Democrats don't have this problem - they just hate Brexit - but if Brexit passes then their big electoral card might go away.

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We wouldn’t Know until we have an election, but my feeling is Labour would end up only a force within the M25

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Surely you mean outside the M25? Within is more Conservative and Liberal Democrat.

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Really?

Election 2017: The result in maps and charts http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40176349

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Unfortunately, due to population size, within the M25 yields a lot of seats. Held by Working class heroes like Emily Thornbury, Diane Abbott, Kier Starmer, Barry Gardiner, David Lammy, John McDonnell.

Labour is the biggest party in Gtr London, holding 46 seats.

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Probably but that'll be because of their equivication on Brexit rather than their resistance on it. They alienated Remainers and Leavers in an attempt to appeal to them both. They wanted a Brexit Deal but voted against it. They want a referendum but don't want to say which side they'll be on yet.

The Tories are being rewarded for their clarity (now). The Liberal Democrats are being awarded for their clarity. Labour keep twisting and turning on the subject and are nowhere.

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Yup. Libs are likely the major winners in London. Probably will take Richmond from the Tories. Might take Golders Green and Westminster from Labour and the Tories respectively.

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They’re trying to dance between Remainer London and Leave everywhere else, but their Remainer big shots Thornbury, Starmer, Corbyn, McDonnell, Gardiner are now too planted in Remain and they think it’s a good idea.

They stand for nothing, they stand for no-one - certainly not the foundations they were built on

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As I linked before though a good deal of their support outside of London is remainer too. Remember a lot of seats were 50-50 Remain/Leave outside of London as well.

But yeah they're trying this dance and are failing. It's just cowardly.

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I hope the deal passes. For the banter.

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M25 ring is far bigger than Greater London and contains lots of the home counties. I agree with you on Greater London though.

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Brexit fatigue can only work in Johnson's favour.

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This is quite interesting:-
https://twitter.com/MarkUrban01/stat...141513730?s=20
No wonder the EU look cheery :D

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This is indeed the true surrender deal. Peer into track changes and you will find a "Designed in EU" stamp from two weeks ago. ;)

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Dominic Raab was hailing the deal this morning on the news as a great deal for Northern Ireland as it will keep 'frictionless access to the single market'. If that's so great, can the rest of the UK have this too?