Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35827390)

Emma Thompson seems to have done quite a bit to be fair.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_T...#Personal_life

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35827393)

Is she the woman who hates Britain?

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35827173)

You mean politicians?

Wasn't some guy going to buy an island in the Med for refugees? Or was that just another PR exercise?

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35826881)

The way that's worded 'the meat must be intended for consumption by Jews or Muslims' makes me think it's isn't illegal to sell halal meat to non-Muslims or Jews as long as you can reasonably show you intended to provide it for Muslims or Jews. So if you set up a halal butcher in a area with a high Muslim or Jewish population then you would meet that requirement even if end up selling halal meet to people who don't qualify.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35826408)

There's your "ONLY".

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35826408)

Each individual incident is unlikely to be reported individually. It may not be explicit in nature, just a matter of pork mysteriously disappearing from menus, rather than a statement saying "pork has been banned" or as with Islington Council they could just LIE.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35827412)

No I think you mean Merkel and it wasn't an island in the Med it was Greece.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35827554)

That's the way I'm seeing it too, especially as the most recent and easiest-found guidelines don't seem to feature the word "only". I don't really have much of a problem knowing food I eat is halal, it doesn't taste any different and when I'm that hungry the principles regarding whether or not the shop/restaurant should be preparing it for the majority or minority of its customers go out of the window - hunger comes first to be honest. And if they don't offer pork "in case it offends" etc I'll just go somewhere else, there are plenty of other places around here that sell bacon or sausages.

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Again, very vague. A politician saying what the government's position is, rather than stating an actual clear 'law'. If halal preparation was specifically and unequivocally for Muslim consumption 'only' you'd think it would be set out that way in some legal text. This not seemingly the case makes the interpretation quite ambiguous.



Again, verified numbers of examples seem very hard to come by which leaves people free to interpret the situation as either "Many places are removing (or banning if you want to be dramatic) pork from their menus" or "A few places are removing pork from their menus", depending on political leanings.

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35827728)

Which is in the Med.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35827737)

But is NOT an island.

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35827738)

So that statement makes halal and schechita slaughter Illegal in the UK because it causes "unnecessary suffering"? Very badly worded law IMHO.

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But it has a lot of islands... in the Med ;)

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35827738)

So that statement makes halal and schechita slaughter Illegal in the UK because it causes "unnecessary suffering"? Very badly worded law IMHO.

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But it has a lot of islands... in the Med ;)

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35827744)

How is it badly worded? It says "in accordance with this Schedule". The Schedule goes on to specify the conditions for things like restraint, killing, and handling which would indicate what was "necessary".

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35827734)

The Law
The Welfare of Animals at the Time of Killing (England) Regulations 2015
Several councils have admitted to it. Islington gave the LIE that it was to avoid extra costs in deciding who shouldn't be given pork. The reason it is a lie is that the other meats(eg lamb, chicken) would also have to be Halal. It is not stated that they are Halal, therefore the claimed problem still exists. If it is all Halal then that must have been a requirement of the menu, thereby automatically banning pork.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35827768)

I don't see where the law forbids non-Muslims/Jews from being sold Halal/Kosher meat though. All it seems to cover is that such meat is only allowed to be produced if it's intended for Muslims and Jews which is obviously the case.

It doesn't state anywhere though that it can't be sold to anyone else though. Without a explicit law banning it I assume it's therefore legal.

Any Halal butcher could easily state they aim to serve Muslims but there is no legal requirement for them to refuse service to non-muslims nor check their religion anyway.