Cable Forum - Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

As a means of retrieving targeted ads, PageSense inserted JavaScript tags into every page visited by an ISP user. Webwise doesn't use JavaScript, and according to a BT report obtained by The Reg, Phorm dropped the JavaScript technique because it meant ISP users were more likely to realize they were being profiled.

In other words... they wanted the profiling to be covert.

Hello 'tee cee'. welcome to the debate.

tarka

13-08-2008 14:30

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

there's that "transparent" word again...

Quote:

Nonetheless, the Phorm spokesman says the company's stateside trials were in not secret. "The services were transparent to users and information such as how to opt out, who provided the service and the privacy policy was easily accessible,"

BetBlowWhistler

13-08-2008 14:42

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Originally Posted by tarka (Post 34620444)

there's that "transparent" word again...

Inconceivable!

[Spanish accent]
"You keep using this word, I do not think it means what you think it means"
[/Spanish accent]

mark777

13-08-2008 14:49

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

I've not seen anything on the BBC website yet relating to the EU letter. I'm sure they will cover this as it's very significant.

The fact that nothing has appeared yet leads me to hope that the piece will be very detailed when it does come along. Perhaps taking time to record some interviews?

On a different note, anybody with language skills might want to visit various fora in Europe. It would help our cause if the EU commission started to receive letters from Europeans elsewhere asking for intervention over the issue, Europe wide, not just in the UK.

"Don't let them even start here" that sort of thing, but the letters coming in French, German, Spanish etc!

Can anyone remember the name of the web analytics guy from (Sweden?) who came here to be REphormed? I would like to hear his opinion on the letter and see if he blogs on it. Also to thank him again for writing to the EU. :)

tarka

13-08-2008 14:53

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by BetBlowWhistler (Post 34620448)

Inconceivable!

[Spanish accent]
"You keep using this word, I do not think it means what you think it means"
[/Spanish accent]

BT's meaning of the word or everyone elses? ;)

lardycake

13-08-2008 15:03

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Originally Posted by mark777 (Post 34620451)

... Can anyone remember the name of the web analytics guy from (Sweden?) who came here to be REphormed? I would like to hear his opinion on the letter and see if he blogs on it. Also to thank him again for writing to the EU. :)

I think it was something like backbeak or blackbeak

Wildie

13-08-2008 15:07

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don`t no if it`s been posted before http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7557963.stm

mark777

13-08-2008 15:08

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Originally Posted by lardycake (Post 34620454)

I think it was something like backbeak or blackbeak

Many thanks. Bang on.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34...post11800.html

icsys

13-08-2008 15:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lardycake (Post 34620454)

I think it was something like backbeak or blackbeak

Indeed it was..
heres a link to his last post

Blog link

serial

13-08-2008 15:28

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Originally Posted by tarka (Post 34620430)

another reg exclusive...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/13/phorm_us_tests/

Had a look into this a while ago:

http://badphorm.co.uk/e107_plugins/f....php?5585.post

phormwatch

13-08-2008 15:33

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Hello tee cee. Welcome to the forum, and thank you for the kind words.

Your help is also greatly appreciated. :)

---------- Post added at 14:33 ---------- Previous post was at 14:33 ----------

Anyone tried contacting Paxman?

SMHarman

13-08-2008 15:55

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Originally Posted by R Jones (Post 34620161)

I think it is best to leave party politics out of any public statements, but to be aware of party sensibilities, and make sure you approach the right person to do the right job. Be savvy and remember who you are dealing with, whether a party politician, a business or a regulator. What are THEY most interested in? What rocks THEIR boat? Do they need a bit of "persuasion"? In which case, how can you give them an incentive?
If they are an opponent - what are they most scared of?
If an ally - what would be most helpful to them?

Try and leave your own party politics at the door. I've found politicians of parties I don't care much for, can be surprisingly decent people and very helpful if you don't slag them off unthinkingly.

This is a bi (or perhaps in the UK tri) Partisan issue. It need not be divided by politics.

madslug

13-08-2008 15:59

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Originally Posted by Wildie (Post 34620457)

don`t no if it`s been posted before http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7557963.stm

News like this makes me wonder how long it will be before the powers-that-be discover how much email goes nowhere near an ISP. None of my mailservers keep logs for more than a few days: just as well considering how fast the logs grow whenever there is a dictionary spam attack.

Even if the hosting providers are also asked to keep mail logs there are still all the private mailservers people keep in their garages.

A true catch 22 situation - the greater the bandwidth the easier it is for those who want to maintain privacy to get around anything the 'snoopers' try to do. Dial-up limited images, sound, video and flash. What will limit encryption?

BetBlowWhistler

13-08-2008 16:38

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Originally Posted by madslug (Post 34620483)

News like this makes me wonder how long it will be before the powers-that-be discover how much email goes nowhere near an ISP.

How does your mail server receive its' data then, carrier pigeon? ;)

oblonsky

13-08-2008 17:05

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Originally Posted by BetBlowWhistler (Post 34620501)

How does your mail server receive its' data then, carrier pigeon? ;)

Are you suggesting that ISPs capture IP traffic and use DPI to store email traffic data even between 2 third-party servers? Surely this would be illegal under UK and EU law, given my understanding of what actually constitutes "traffic data" (as opposed to what MPs and HO officials would LIKE to include as traffic data).

Or are you simply hinting that one end of the transaction may be using an ISP server?

Anyhow, this is getting OT and there's loads to be read about this debate on other newsgroups and forums. Apologies.

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