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Bonglet 12-08-2008 17:00
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HamsterWheel (Post 34619871)
Of course they could, but they have promised not too, and if they did and got caught they would be in all sorts of bother. They would not jeopardise their business by doing such silliness.
:dozey: dont forget phorm is the silly company there past just goes to prove this does it not :confused:.

Dephormation 12-08-2008 17:01
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HamsterWheel (Post 34619871)
Of course they could, but they have promised not too, and if they did and got caught they would be in all sorts of bother. They would not jeopardise their business by doing such silliness.
Like 2006 and 2007? Do you think they are not in a lot of 'bother' already?

mark777 12-08-2008 17:03
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
IMHO, if there are no legal reasons not to, the full text of that letter from the EU needs to be posted on the BT Beta forum.

HamsterWheel 12-08-2008 17:06
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
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Originally Posted by Florence (Post 34619872)
This is where my trust goes we have to rely on the words of people we do not know, you never heard of employees gathering information to gain more money. This is where we as individuals wish to keep control over our own privacy.
You have to rely on BT not to tap your phone, your neighbours not to peek through your bedroom window and Thames Water not to add poison to your water. They all COULD do this, but realise it is not a sensible thing to do.

vicz 12-08-2008 17:16
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HamsterWheel (Post 34619879)
You have to rely on BT not to tap your phone, your neighbours not to peek through your bedroom window and Thames Water not to add poison to your water. They all COULD do this, but realise it is not a sensible thing to do.
You rely on the law to prevent them and the authorities to take appropriate action if they break it.

Rchivist 12-08-2008 17:16
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mark777 (Post 34619876)
IMHO, if there are no legal reasons not to, the full text of that letter from the EU needs to be posted on the BT Beta forum.
The topic has already been raised and the url posted. But quoting the whole letter may need permission? If it could be established that there was permission to quote the whole text then I am sure it would appear there promptly.

rryles 12-08-2008 17:17
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HamsterWheel (Post 34619879)
You have to rely on BT not to tap your phone, your neighbours not to peek through your bedroom window and Thames Water not to add poison to your water. They all COULD do this, but realise it is not a sensible thing to do.
Let's take your Thames Water example for now.

Thames water would gain nothing from adding poison to the water, so have no motive. Phorm could make lots more money by increasing the amount of data they harvest.

Thames Water would easily be found out as it is a simple matter to test a water sample for contamination and this is done hourly for some chemicals. Auditing an IT system to check it only does what it claims is notoriously difficult. If you solve that problem you can make a fortune in e-voting.

Thames Water have a history of supplying safe drinking water. Phorm have a history of covertly gathering personal data without proper consent.

vicz 12-08-2008 17:19
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
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Originally Posted by R Jones (Post 34619843)
...

The questions being asked by Fabio Colasanti seem to echo some of those asked by Congress in their letter to various advertisers.

Now then UK parliament, in particular, House of Commons, smell the coffee? When the recess is over, we'd like a bit of action please. Relevant questions to HO and DBERR to ask why they can't comply with the EU request on time.
..Don't forget the reshuffle - no minister is going to pick up this hot potato if (s)he doesn't have to.

Julian Smart 12-08-2008 17:20
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HamsterWheel (Post 34619879)
You have to rely on BT not to tap your phone, your neighbours not to peek through your bedroom window and Thames Water not to add poison to your water. They all COULD do this, but realise it is not a sensible thing to do.
Wow, this is breathtakingly naive. BT and Phorm have already lied, spun, concealed, misled, abused trust, and generally shown contempt for internet users and their privacy. And you think we should simply forgive all that and trust them blindly? Evidently financial considerations are outweighing rational thought at this point.

HamsterWheel 12-08-2008 17:28
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian Smart (Post 34619888)
Wow, this is breathtakingly naive. BT and Phorm have already lied, spun, concealed, misled, abused trust, and generally shown contempt for internet users and their privacy. And you think we should simply forgive all that and trust them blindly? Evidently financial considerations are outweighing rational thought at this point.
No, back in the real world all they've done is test a bit of new software.

mark777 12-08-2008 17:33
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by R Jones (Post 34619882)
The topic has already been raised and the url posted. But quoting the whole letter may need permission? If it could be established that there was permission to quote the whole text then I am sure it would appear there promptly.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08...tter/comments/


@ El Reg
By Anonymous Coward
Posted Tuesday 12th August 2008 15:24 GMT

May the text of the EU letter be posted in full elsewhere?

With the appropriate attributions of course.

Re: @ El Reg
By Chris Williams
Posted Tuesday 12th August 2008 15:29

No problem.

- Chris

SelfProtection 12-08-2008 17:36
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HamsterWheel (Post 34619891)
No, back in the real world all they've done is test a bit of new software.
Without Proper Permission, if you apply that criteria how about testing New Software on an active Nuclear Plant!
(We all know what happens when things go wrong then!)

Paul Delaney 12-08-2008 17:37
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HamsterWheel (Post 34619891)
No, back in the real world all they've done is test a bit of new software.
Please go back to page one of this thread and start reading ensuring that you take in all the information it contains...

:)

HamsterWheel 12-08-2008 17:41
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Delaney (Post 34619894)
Please go back to page one of this thread and start reading ensuring that you take in all the information it contains...

:)

Sure they might have had a few tiny teething problems, but nothing of any substance at all. No-one has died, only one chap seems to have had PC problems. All pretty irrelevant stuff in the grand scheme of things. No data retained anywhere.

Paul Delaney 12-08-2008 17:45
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HamsterWheel (Post 34619900)
Sure they might have had a few tiny teething problems, but nothing of any substance at all. No-one has died, only one chap seems to have had PC problems. All pretty irrelevant stuff in the grand scheme of things. No data retained anywhere.
:rofl:


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