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RichardCoulter 04-03-2014 06:47
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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35677679)
No. But let say Virgin Media is owe £100 by sit-up* Virgin will only get £10 if they say Yes to that CVA proposal on March 18th.

*Shopping and Radio Channels need to pay to get on Virgin Media.
Oh right, I didn't know that they were in financial difficulties.

If you can say, were these the two channels the ones you said might be closing on VM, but were unable to disclose the names of?

jj20x 04-03-2014 11:35
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35677678)
Have they gone bust?
If they are proposing a CVA they would certainly have a liquidity problem. A CVA usually involves staged repayments to creditors over a period of time, say 6 years. It isn't particularly attractive to offer 1% repayments to their creditors over a 6 year period, they would be lucky to get the approval of 75% of their creditors. It's also worth noting that, even if approved by the creditors, many CVAs fail within the repayment period.

Media Boy UK 04-03-2014 13:09
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35677688)
Oh right, I didn't know that they were in financial difficulties.

If you can say, were these the two channels the ones you said might be closing on VM, but were unable to disclose the names of?
No. I was talking about other ones.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35677574)
Just heard a rumour that price-drop (741) and bid (745) are going to be removed by VM.
Thanks for rumour.

RichardCoulter 04-03-2014 20:53
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Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35677719)
If they are proposing a CVA they would certainly have a liquidity problem. A CVA usually involves staged repayments to creditors over a period of time, say 6 years. It isn't particularly attractive to offer 1% repayments to their creditors over a 6 year period, they would be lucky to get the approval of 75% of their creditors. It's also worth noting that, even if approved by the creditors, many CVAs fail within the repayment period.
I would have thought that they would have tried to sell the business for a nominal fee like £1, with the new owner taking on the debts or dissolved the company and replaced it with another to rid themselves of any debt.

jj20x 04-03-2014 21:21
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35677871)
I would have thought that they would have tried to sell the business for a nominal fee like £1, with the new owner taking on the debts or dissolved the company and replaced it with another to rid themselves of any debt.
That will still be an option if the CVA fails. It looks like the new investors don't want the debt as they have made the investment deal conditional on the CVA going ahead.

It probably doesn't make sense to take on the debt when the investors could simply start up a new company, possibly taking on the existing staff and allowing the existing company to fail.

Bad news for the creditors, however it goes.

1andrew1 04-03-2014 21:33
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35677871)
I would have thought that they would have tried to sell the business for a nominal fee like £1, with the new owner taking on the debts or dissolved the company and replaced it with another to rid themselves of any debt.
Yes but the contracts would all cease with the receivership of the existing company, crucial when you are trying to operate a 24/7 broadcasting service. So amongst other things your EPG slots would all go and you would face other disruption and a resulting lack of customer confidence.

jj20x 04-03-2014 21:46
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35677880)
Yes but the contracts would all cease with the receivership of the existing company, crucial when you are trying to operate a 24/7 broadcasting service. So amongst other things your EPG slots would all go and you would face other disruption and a resulting lack of customer confidence.
Having the fact that the company is operating under a CVA listed on the website wouldn't do very much for customer confidence.

A phoenix company could buy the business names, EPG slots, licences, etc from the liquidator at knock down rates. New contracts would, most likely, be needed for a phoenix company to be carried on cable and possibly Freeview.

RichardCoulter 04-03-2014 21:51
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35677880)
Yes but the contracts would all cease with the receivership of the existing company, crucial when you are trying to operate a 24/7 broadcasting service. So amongst other things your EPG slots would all go and you would face other disruption and a resulting lack of customer confidence.
That's a good point, they would have to bid for their own EPG slots on Sky or face the possibility* of having to use different numbers further up the EPG.

* I say possibly, as is there a possibility that, if they were quick, that they may find themselves allocated their old slot under the FRND rules?

1andrew1 04-03-2014 21:59
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
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Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35677885)
Having the fact that the company is operating under a CVA listed on the website wouldn't do very much for customer confidence.

A phoenix company could buy the business names, EPG slots, licences, etc from the liquidator at knock down rates. New contracts would, most likely, be needed for a phoenix company to be carried on cable and possibly Freeview.
Presumably the whole benefit of Bid TV and Price-Drop TV is their TV presence so most of its customers wouldn't see the website?
A new company could certainly buy some assets from the receivers including stock, brand name, web domain etc. However, the receiver has to sell to the highest bidder so there is a risk that someone else could come along and buy them. Furthermore, some contracts would simply end when the original company ended, certainly the Freview EPG numbers would almost certainly be lost and the company would have to use lower ones down the EPG assuming it was able to secure capacity. Hence its preference for a more stable CVA.

jj20x 04-03-2014 22:48
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35677888)
Presumably the whole benefit of Bid TV and Price-Drop TV is their TV presence so most of its customers wouldn't see the website?
Purchasing isn't done on the TV, it's done by phone or online. Customers choosing to pay online would obviously see the website.

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A new company could certainly buy some assets from the receivers including stock, brand name, web domain etc. However, the receiver has to sell to the highest bidder so there is a risk that someone else could come along and buy them. Furthermore, some contracts would simply end when the original company ended, certainly the Freview EPG numbers would almost certainly be lost and the company would have to use lower ones down the EPG assuming it was able to secure capacity. Hence its preference for a more stable CVA.
A CVA is anything but stable. A company operating under a CVA generally has to pay for everything up front. Banks and suppliers would be foolish to take the risk of extending credit to a company with known liquidity problems. Assuming that the new investors are willing to put large amounts of cash upfront, that may not be a problem. As far as contracts are concerned, a good contract would have a clause making the agreement voidable if the company goes into administration or enters into an arrangement.

WillPS 05-03-2014 01:19
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I think the CVA proposal is a token gesture to pave the way for Administration. It could even end up being a 'pre-pack' Administration, where the sale of core assets are actually arranged in advance of the company going in to Administration. This happened in the case of La Senza, and meant that they didn't actually trade in administration at all.

jj20x 05-03-2014 03:33
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
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Originally Posted by WillPS (Post 35677916)
I think the CVA proposal is a token gesture to pave the way for Administration. It could even end up being a 'pre-pack' Administration, where the sale of core assets are actually arranged in advance of the company going in to Administration. This happened in the case of La Senza, and meant that they didn't actually trade in administration at all.
Not a very good gesture as going into a CVA requires an up front payment to the insolvency practitioner, which could otherwise be paid to the creditors.

vincerooney 05-03-2014 09:40
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Morning all still seems all quiet on the Virgin Media front... perhaps spring will "spring" some surprises.

Anypermitedroute 05-03-2014 10:08
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morning Vince, feels like 2012 albeit with a few less channels outstanding

WillPS 05-03-2014 10:55
Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV 2014
 
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Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35677921)
Not a very good gesture as going into a CVA requires an up front payment to the insolvency practitioner, which could otherwise be paid to the creditors.
Well it hardly seems to have been crafted with plausibility in mind.


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