Re: smoking and the pub
 

You assume that everybody who works in a bar doesn't mind dying of secondary smoke.
;)
Cracking argument, ob - if you don't want to die of second-hand smoke, you are narrow-minded.

Good point, well made!

Re: smoking and the pub
 

True,

How is allowing a landlord/lady to choose whether to make his or her pub non-smoking or not any worse than banning smoking from pubs? Either way, one group of people is banned from the pub. At least if the people who actually run the pubs are allowed to chose, both groups of people are allowed to drink in one pub or another.

Remember, if some pubs are smoking, and some non-smoking, those people who do object to people smoking have the freedom to go to a non-smoking pub. Under the government's current plans, NO-ONE has the freedom to chose a smoking pub. Fair? I think not. Antisocial? Yes.

So we should ban petrol and diesel vehicles then? After all, they both emit pollution which is nasty smelling and possibly dangerous..

Re: smoking and the pub
 

could i ever so tentatively point out that we banned leaded petrol on health grounds ;)

Re: smoking and the pub
 

I believe OB was making the point that people who think Smoking should be banned in all public places are narrow minded.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Based on that argument, you could say that about people working in a bar don't mind being stabbed/killed. Working in a bar and being stabbed/killed, like dying of second hand smoke is a risk inherent in the job. A risk you accept to take on as part of the job, and the ages you recieve. If you don't want to come in contact with second hand smoker, nor do you want to risk facing violence as part of your job, there are other occupations you can do. Anyway, if people are working in bars currently where they come into contact with second-hand smoke, they can hardly be that bothered about it?

And before anyone starts with the usual personal attacks, I am a non-smoker. Always have been, always will be.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

not really a comparable risk and certainly one you can mitigate against hence this legislation

:p: :p: :p: :D apart from your passive intake? ;)

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Anyway, isn't it about time for one of these?

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2006/12/18.jpg

Re: smoking and the pub
 

So by that reasoning we could simply ban Gitanes/Gaulloises cigarettes and be done with it? ;)

Re: smoking and the pub
 

nah, stuff 'em ;)







[not really. infuriates me that so many british hostelries are so hostile to kids. compare that to ireland.....]

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don't you start :)

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Nah - they haven't tested cigarettes on babies for years - they switched to beagles (apparently). ;)

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Or anything French? :D

Re: smoking and the pub
 

ah, do you remember sweet tobacco? yum. :)

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Didn't that give passers-by secondary tooth decay? ;)

Re: smoking and the pub
 

I would have thought so. If I stabbed you in various places on your body, they will die. There's no risk, as its a certainty. Its quantifiable and provable. If you inhale second hand smoke, then there a chance you'll die, whoever, not wishing to count research into the effects of smoking, but the chances are not quantifable at all, and are quite random. People who smoke 40+ a day have been known to live into their 90s, where as some don't.

:p: Seriously though, what can I do, invest in a bubble? Ditch every friend who smokes? Bit paranoid. Besides, my parents smoked for years so the damage is well done now.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

the link betwen passive smoking and lung cancer is well established and if a pub allows smoking then all in it are at risk, but esp[ecially the staff. despite the lurid headlines i would respectfully suggest (and without being able to back the suggestion up :) ) that the chances of being stabbed are much lower than the health risks presented by blanket exposure of cigarette smoke.



well here you do have a genuine choice i guess. staff in smoking pubs certainly don't and those who want to sit with friends who dont smoke in an environment where others do have a limited choice and limited protection. this really is quite simple for me. a pub is a public place. the govt, employers and indeed all of us have a duty to protect the public insofar as we can in places which are open to the public.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Established... but not quantifiable. Unlike being stabbed or shot.

Because of the unquantiable nature of smoking and cancer, the chance of dying via smoking versus dying via stabbing, will never be known.


But they do. Noone is forced to do any job.

You say "want" and then you say they have no choice.

Despite the name, it isn't though. They are private places of business and the landlords/ladies/employees/patrons choose to enter/work in.

When you say people have no choice to work in a pub, I think that's pretty insulting to them.