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carravetta 14-05-2019 07:46

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35994731)
EssexSpurs71 on DS Forum saying BT Sport on Sky through Sky will cost £14.99 for Sky Sports subscribers or £24.99 for non Sky Sports subscribers.

With BT Sport 4K included for those with Sky Q experience.

Who knows if that's correct they give the source as someone who works for Sky.

https://forums.digitalspy.com/discus...-34-a-month/p3

Weird that!

I can only assume they are telling customers different things as I was told previously that all BT Sport Channels would be free to existing Sky customers

Edit - Sky Sports Customers

muppetman11 15-05-2019 15:13

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ITV, BBC set to share FA Cup

https://advanced-television.com/2019...-share-fa-cup/

alwaysabear 15-05-2019 16:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35994966)

Great news, it will give the FA Cup a much bigger profile and no doubt better viewing figures.

Raider999 15-05-2019 17:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35994982)
Great news, it will give the FA Cup a much bigger profile and no doubt better viewing figures.

Agreed, but presumably less money - unless BT reduced their bid significantly

vincerooney 15-05-2019 17:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35994983)
Agreed, but presumably less money - unless BT reduced their bid significantly

They really are cutting down on costs i think. I think their focus will be EPL/champions league/europa./bundesliga

I'm intrigued to see where Serie A will end up and La Liga. Both those contracts could be re-done this summer? I hope Sky get La Liga back and Serie A. It'll really boost their football coverage and with the debacle of Eleven sport they might just be both desperate for a stable channel.

ozsat 15-05-2019 17:22

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A lot of ther big clubs are not interested in the FA Cup.

There isn't a lot of money in it for them and it gets in the way.

If one of the 4 Champions League places went to the FA Cup - that would change things.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35994982)
Great news, it will give the FA Cup a much bigger profile and no doubt better viewing figures.


denphone 15-05-2019 17:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35994984)
They really are cutting down on costs i think. I think their focus will be EPL/champions league/europa./bundesliga

I'm intrigued to see where Serie A will end up and La Liga. Both those contracts could be re-done this summer? I hope Sky get La Liga back and Serie A. It'll really boost their football coverage and with the debacle of Eleven sport they might just be both desperate for a stable channel.

Sky and BT Sport l suspect.

Chad 16-05-2019 14:14

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Wwe going to bt
https://whatculture.com/amp/wwe/wwe-...ng-to-bt-sport

denphone 16-05-2019 14:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35995088)

That is a surprise Chad.

muppetman11 16-05-2019 15:51

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Hallelujah thankfully my Sky sub money will no longer be funding panto.

The bad news is my BT sub now will.:D

Media Boy UK 16-05-2019 15:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35995088)

Here hoping WWE will stop asking for £14.99 for PPVS outside the big 4.

-Elimination Chamber
-Fastlane
-Money in the Bank
-Stomping Grounds
-Extreme Rules
-Hell in a Cell
-Clash of Champions
-2 TBA from Saudi Arabia
-TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs

I do not mind the top 4 being on BT Sports Box Office:

-Royal Rumble
-WrestleMania
-SummerSlam
-Survivor Series

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35995097)
Hallelujah thankfully my Sky sub money will no longer be funding panto.

The bad news is my BT sub now will.:D

Still need to pay Sky Sports on top of Premier Sports for SPFL:(

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35995097)
Hallelujah thankfully my Sky sub money will no longer be funding panto.

BT is a ideal home for WWE after all they do broadcast UFC.:D

Raider999 16-05-2019 19:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35995098)
Here hoping WWE will stop asking for £14.99 for PPVS outside the big 4.

-Elimination Chamber
-Fastlane
-Money in the Bank
-Stomping Grounds
-Extreme Rules
-Hell in a Cell
-Clash of Champions
-2 TBA from Saudi Arabia
-TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs

I do not mind the top 4 being on BT Sports Box Office:

-Royal Rumble
-WrestleMania
-SummerSlam
-Survivor Series

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Still need to pay Sky Sports on top of Premier Sports for SPFL:(

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BT is a ideal home for WWE after all they do broadcast UFC.:D

Personally, I think some of what BT broadcasts is quite good - unlike any of the above suggestions

pengedragon 16-05-2019 20:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35994984)
They really are cutting down on costs i think. I think their focus will be EPL/champions league/europa./bundesliga

I'm intrigued to see where Serie A will end up and La Liga. Both those contracts could be re-done this summer? I hope Sky get La Liga back and Serie A. It'll really boost their football coverage and with the debacle of Eleven sport they might just be both desperate for a stable channel.

Serie A is on Premier Sport until 2021

cheekyangus 17-05-2019 08:46

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I was just combing through DigitalBitRate website and saw some BT Sports Channel stuff that seems new.

First the non-new, C073/Tsid22 has BT Sport 4K UHD, this is the current 4K channel, I'm mentioning this location on the page as this is the existing service.

What I'm drawing your attention to is this...
C052/Tsid14 has BTSport 4K Hidden, BT Sport 4K Slate and BT Sport HD Hidden.

Something new from BT?

It's possible they are preparing to move services, but why labelled as they are?
-----
I just looked at the screen shots that accompany them. The HD Hidden has a BTSport 2 logo, the 4K Hidden shows what looks like an advert for a tablet, and the Slate shows BBC2 HD move (!). Weird, but maybe just tests.

KillerCroc1 17-05-2019 11:10

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WWE going to BT sport is huge AEW on ITV box office and weekly shows probably ending up on ITV 4 this is an exciting time for wrestling fans

muppetman11 17-05-2019 12:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerCroc1 (Post 35995204)
WWE going to BT sport is huge AEW on ITV box office and weekly shows probably ending up on ITV 4 this is an exciting time for wrestling fans

Wrestling :LOL:

denphone 17-05-2019 12:31

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35995221)
Wrestling :LOL:

The word fixed springs to mind.;)

gba93 17-05-2019 14:38

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35995223)
The word fixed springs to mind.;)

... and the word sport doesn't.

ozsat 17-05-2019 14:58

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It is as fixed as stuff like Game of Thrones, EastEnders, Coronation Street.

WWE always say it is Entertainment - and in the US it airs on Entertainment channels.

It is only the UK that lump it with sport.

bubblegun 18-05-2019 08:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35995088)

What will be the implications for this and the WWE Network?

Wasn't there a dispute between them and Sky over showing PPV events when it launched?

There was talk of legal action at the time between the two and Sky won. The suggestion, if I remember correctly, was that the next WWE deal would change this.

Isn't it likely that the deal BT gets isn't the one Sky has had. Perhaps Sky felt that what was on offer wasn't worth it.

edit:
Also with BT Sports coming to Sky this year it's less of a risk.

cheekyangus 19-05-2019 17:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 35995183)
I was just combing through DigitalBitRate website and saw some BT Sports Channel stuff that seems new.

First the non-new, C073/Tsid22 has BT Sport 4K UHD, this is the current 4K channel, I'm mentioning this location on the page as this is the existing service.

What I'm drawing your attention to is this...
C052/Tsid14 has BTSport 4K Hidden, BT Sport 4K Slate and BT Sport HD Hidden.

Something new from BT?

It's possible they are preparing to move services, but why labelled as they are?
-----
I just looked at the screen shots that accompany them. The HD Hidden has a BTSport 2 logo, the 4K Hidden shows what looks like an advert for a tablet, and the Slate shows BBC2 HD move (!). Weird, but maybe just tests.

Inactive Digital on the MPEG4 thread has suggested the following
Quote:

BT Sport Hidden has previously been a stream for channel 100, so my guess is that these are for the Champions League and Europa Cup finals
Seems the most likely reason for them. Good thinking by Inactive Digital.

OLD BOY 19-05-2019 19:18

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Interesting to see how this is developing. The industry is gingerly tipping its toes into the streaming revolution. Still a little way to go yet, I suspect.

http://www.csimagazine.com/csi/Exper...OTT-sports.php

A panel including NBA and NFL Game Pass at SportsPro Live in London debated the future direction of sports streaming, expecting new digital players and more leagues going direct-to-consumer (DTC) to disrupt the landscape even further.

“If you think of OTT as a mature marketplace for entertainment, sports is not there yet but we see two phases on the horizon for the growth in OTT sports,” said Will Staeger of Endeavour Streaming. “We haven’t seen the big streamers like Netflix and Amazon fully step in. I think that phase is coming. How will that disrupt the market? I also think we will see more DTC services from the leagues, that moment is also coming,” Staeger said.

denphone 19-05-2019 19:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995403)
Interesting to see how this is developing. The industry is gingerly tipping its toes into the streaming revolution. Still a little way to go yet, I suspect.

http://www.csimagazine.com/csi/Exper...OTT-sports.php

A panel including NBA and NFL Game Pass at SportsPro Live in London debated the future direction of sports streaming, expecting new digital players and more leagues going direct-to-consumer (DTC) to disrupt the landscape even further.

“If you think of OTT as a mature marketplace for entertainment, sports is not there yet but we see two phases on the horizon for the growth in OTT sports,” said Will Staeger of Endeavour Streaming. “We haven’t seen the big streamers like Netflix and Amazon fully step in. I think that phase is coming. How will that disrupt the market? I also think we will see more DTC services from the leagues, that moment is also coming,” Staeger said.

In America but not here as America is not like our sports rights market as all the top premier Sports content will be on Linear TV for many many years to come over here but you knew that anyway.

Raider999 19-05-2019 19:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995403)
Interesting to see how this is developing. The industry is gingerly tipping its toes into the streaming revolution. Still a little way to go yet, I suspect.

http://www.csimagazine.com/csi/Exper...OTT-sports.php

A panel including NBA and NFL Game Pass at SportsPro Live in London debated the future direction of sports streaming, expecting new digital players and more leagues going direct-to-consumer (DTC) to disrupt the landscape even further.

“If you think of OTT as a mature marketplace for entertainment, sports is not there yet but we see two phases on the horizon for the growth in OTT sports,” said Will Staeger of Endeavour Streaming. “We haven’t seen the big streamers like Netflix and Amazon fully step in. I think that phase is coming. How will that disrupt the market? I also think we will see more DTC services from the leagues, that moment is also coming,” Staeger said.

Currently, Premier League is funded by the massive amounts linear TV companies pay to secure the rights.

I cannot see them going DTC for years if not decades as it would be a huge leap into the unknown - bearing in mind they would have

Production costs
Advertising costs
Revenue collection costs

I am sure someone could be bothered to do the maths, but surely they would need millions of subscribers to earn as much as they do now - couldn't really expect more than £25pm per subscriber or people wouldn't bother.

jfman 19-05-2019 20:07

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At that price point you are talking 5 million subscribers at £25 a month just to cover the cost of the rights for the EPL. That’s ignoring VAT plus other expenses, and no content two months of the year. It’s a big risk.

denphone 19-05-2019 20:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35995417)
At that price point you are talking 5 million subscribers at £25 a month just to cover the cost of the rights for the EPL. That’s ignoring VAT plus other expenses, and no content two months of the year. It’s a big risk.

Ad one they will never make as Amazon and Netflix know the business numbers will never add up.

OLD BOY 20-05-2019 08:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35995414)
Currently, Premier League is funded by the massive amounts linear TV companies pay to secure the rights.

I cannot see them going DTC for years if not decades as it would be a huge leap into the unknown - bearing in mind they would have

Production costs
Advertising costs
Revenue collection costs

I am sure someone could be bothered to do the maths, but surely they would need millions of subscribers to earn as much as they do now - couldn't really expect more than £25pm per subscriber or people wouldn't bother.

So in your opinion, Sky has more resources available to it than Amazon? Think again. If Amazon want to do this, they can.

denphone 20-05-2019 08:45

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You simply have no ideal what Amazon's business model is based upon apart from that is very clearly based on the business numbers adding up and they do not add up for the Premier League TV rights as they never have and never will.

Amazon's outlays on big sporting rights have always been based on purchasing American sports rights as America's potential captive audience is far vaster then ours.

OLD BOY 20-05-2019 08:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35995421)
Ad one they will never make as Amazon and Netflix know the business numbers will never add up.

It would draw people into the Prime service, which streaming services encourage. Amazon is more a retail company, but they have used their app to bolster their sales side of the operation.

Additionally, if the Amazon app was also on Sky (it's already on BT and coming soon to Virgin Media and Talk Talk), they could reward these companies for bringing in new business by advertising their services and encouraging their subscribers to sign up.

It is not just a question of cost against the number of existing Prime customers - it is much more complicated than that. Just remember that BT have to pay out for Premiership packages and yet Virgin Media has a wholesale deal for BT Sports which has resulted in no increased cost to viewers on Full House and VIP packages. Who would have expected that prior to the BT Sports launch a few years ago? I bet you didn't think that would happen, did you?

cheekyangus 20-05-2019 10:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995445)
It is not just a question of cost against the number of existing Prime customers - it is much more complicated than that. Just remember that BT have to pay out for Premiership packages and yet Virgin Media has a wholesale deal for BT Sports which has resulted in no increased cost to viewers on Full House and VIP packages. Who would have expected that prior to the BT Sports launch a few years ago? I bet you didn't think that would happen, did you?

Given there's a precedent, why not? Setanta did the same thing, back when Full House was XL. Six channels according to this article from July 2007... https://www.theguardian.com/business...digitaltvradio

muppetman11 20-05-2019 11:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995445)
It would draw people into the Prime service, which streaming services encourage. Amazon is more a retail company, but they have used their app to bolster their sales side of the operation.

Additionally, if the Amazon app was also on Sky (it's already on BT and coming soon to Virgin Media and Talk Talk), they could reward these companies for bringing in new business by advertising their services and encouraging their subscribers to sign up.

It is not just a question of cost against the number of existing Prime customers - it is much more complicated than that. Just remember that BT have to pay out for Premiership packages and yet Virgin Media has a wholesale deal for BT Sports which has resulted in no increased cost to viewers on Full House and VIP packages. Who would have expected that prior to the BT Sports launch a few years ago? I bet you didn't think that would happen, did you?

I remember you predicting that Netflix when it launched in the UK would obliterate Sky for the rights to the movie studios. How did that go ?

The Sports leagues are more likely to dip their toes in the water with OTT direct to consumer in territories they have smaller financial returns to see the viability before looking to launch elsewhere.

Raider999 20-05-2019 11:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995440)
So in your opinion, Sky has more resources available to it than Amazon? Think again. If Amazon want to do this, they can.

I never mentioned Amazon - I referred to DTC which to me means the Premier League themselves setting up a method of controlling all facets of coverage.

The risks of not getting enough subscribers is huge - I suspect the experience of Eleven Sports will have been a big warning to anyone thinking of doing so.

You seem obsessed with Amazon!

I am sure they have the funds to do it should they wish to, just don't see it happening in the next 5 years - my opinion as you have yours.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35995467)
I remember you predicting that Netflix when it launched in the UK would obliterate Sky for the rights to the movie studios. How did that go ?

The Sports leagues are more likely to dip their toes in the water with OTT direct to consumer in territories they have smaller financial returns to see the viability before looking to launch elsewhere.

Totally agree with that - overseas money being the cream on the rather large home market cake

jfman 20-05-2019 11:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 35995466)
Given there's a precedent, why not? Setanta did the same thing, back when Full House was XL. Six channels according to this article from July 2007... https://www.theguardian.com/business...digitaltvradio

Indeed. Setanta, ESPN and BT all held Premiership rights and did a wholesale deal with Virgin. It’s easy money from a subscriber base unlikely to take the standalone service.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995440)
So in your opinion, Sky has more resources available to it than Amazon? Think again. If Amazon want to do this, they can.

Sky have the customer base from which to return a profit.

Resources is not equivalent to a business model.

OLD BOY 20-05-2019 12:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35995442)
You simply have no ideal what Amazon's business model is based upon apart from that is very clearly based on the business numbers adding up and they do not add up for the Premier League TV rights as they never have and never will.

Amazon's outlays on big sporting rights have always been based on purchasing American sports rights as America's potential captive audience is far vaster then ours.

We'll see, Den, we'll see. I know that nothing will shake you from that view until it happens. I would just like you to contemplate that Amazon's resources are far greater than Sky's so if Sky was able to go for the Premiership rights, so could Amazon. If they have the will to do it, whatever their justification, they will just do it and they will outbid Sky.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35995467)

I remember you predicting that Netflix when it launched in the UK would obliterate Sky for the rights to the movie studios. How did that go ?

The Sports leagues are more likely to dip their toes in the water with OTT direct to consumer in territories they have smaller financial returns to see the viability before looking to launch elsewhere.

It's too early to say, given the Sky currently holds the rights to most of the film studios. The crunch will come at the end of those contracts.

In the meantime, though, something has changed. Some of the film studios are now contemplating a direct to customer approach. The launch of Disney + later this year is an example of this (already happening with the launch later this year of Disney +).

So I do believe that I am being proved right on the films moving away from Sky and onto streaming, but they will not necessarily go to Netflix.

muppetman11 20-05-2019 13:03

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Oh dear OB that's the funniest way ever of saying you were wrong.

The movie studios may go direct to consumer not on a third party streaming service so nothing like you suggested but nice try.:D

Politics could be the job for you.

OLD BOY 20-05-2019 13:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35995486)
Oh dear OB that's the funniest way ever of saying you were wrong.

The movie studios may go direct to consumer not on a third party streaming service so nothing like you suggested but nice try.:D

Politics could be the job for you.

I thought I just stated that I was not right about the films going to Netflix, but that the new approach of 'direct to consumer' meant that alternative streaming services could carry these films. Why do you have to bitch about everything?:D Anything anyone says is based on speculation to some degree. Nobody who forecasts what may happen in the future can get everything right because unforeseen things happen. On this subject, I have got the general drift right. It is now widely acknowledged that content is shifting to streaming services. The ramifications of that are obvious to most of us who are not burying their heads in the sand with their fingers in their ears. :argue:

jfman 20-05-2019 13:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995482)
If they have the will to do it, whatever their justification, they will just do it and they will outbid Sky.

No they won’t. They need a viable business model, not just “will” if they are going to risk £4bn+ on an investment. To do so “because they can” without a plan on how to recoup the investment would leave executives/directors liable to dismissal at best and at worst criminal proceedings.

denphone 20-05-2019 14:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995482)
We'll see, Den, we'll see. I know that nothing will shake you from that view until it happens.

Well you have been saying for a eternity and we are still waiting OB.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995482)
I would just like you to contemplate that Amazon's resources are far greater than Sky's

No doubt they are but market economics are far more important then that but alas you don't seem to have much grasp of that.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995482)
I would just like you to contemplate that Amazon's resources are far greater than Sky's so if Sky was able to go for the Premiership rights, so could Amazon. If they have the will to do it, whatever their justification, they will just do it and they will outbid Sky.

3 Premier League rights auctions you have predicted that scenario but alas l have just seem the pink elephants flying by once again.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35995486)
Oh dear OB that's the funniest way ever of saying you were wrong.

The movie studios may go direct to consumer not on a third party streaming service so nothing like you suggested but nice try.:D

Politics could be the job for you.

He will never admit he is wrong MM.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35995486)

Politics could be the job for you.

He is a very good flag waver that is for sure.;)

OLD BOY 20-05-2019 14:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35995495)
No they won’t. They need a viable business model, not just “will” if they are going to risk £4bn+ on an investment. To do so “because they can” without a plan on how to recoup the investment would leave executives/directors liable to dismissal at best and at worst criminal proceedings.

Of course they would need a business plan! Don't be so pedantic!

Those posting on here who don't like to think that the Prsmiership rights will be taken over by a global streaming service keep talking about it being too expensive. My point was that if Sky can afford it, so can Amazon, which has a far deeper purse.

I have also made the point that recouping that investment is not the straight forward calculation you make on the back of a fag packet. There are various ways to make such investment worthwhile.

jfman 20-05-2019 14:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995511)
Of course they would need a business plan! Don't be so pedantic!

Those posting on here who don't like to think that the Prsmiership rights will be taken over by a global streaming service keep talking about it being too expensive. My point was that if Sky can afford it, so can Amazon, which has a far deeper purse.

I have also made the point that recouping that investment is not the straight forward calculation you make on the back of a fag packet. There are various ways to make such investment worthwhile.

Yet no bids were forthcoming last time out in the first round.

OLD BOY 20-05-2019 14:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35995499)
Well you have been saying for a eternity and we are still waiting OB.

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No doubt they are but market economics are far more important then that but alas you don't seem to have much grasp of that.

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3 Premier League rights auctions you have predicted that scenario but alas l have just seem the pink elephants flying by once again.

If you check back on my posts, Den, you will see that I posted that the streaming services would be likely to start their serious bidding either in the last round or in the 2022 round. Hardly an eternity.

I have already explained that the economics of it all are not as simplistic as you think. Anyway, let's wait and see. No point in arguing the toss as it can't be proved one way or the other until the time comes. :soapbox:

cheekyangus 23-05-2019 08:33

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The slate screen for the hidden BT 4K channel is now showing in the screengrab on DigitalBitRate. It confirms that
Quote:

Both all-English finals, broadcast on BT Sport, will be available to watch in 4K UHD to all Virgin Media customers with a V6 and compatible 4K compatible TV, here on Channel 532.
532 isn't showing on the EPG yet. Non-4K customers will just have to may do with HD on Channel 100.

Gavin-D 23-05-2019 16:41

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FA Cup returning fully free to air with the BBC and ITV

ITV have also got the The FA Community Shield

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa...cast-deal.html

OLD BOY 23-05-2019 16:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35995513)
Yet no bids were forthcoming last time out in the first round.

So what? That doesn't mean there won't be next time!

ozsat 24-05-2019 07:24

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532 is now on the EPG for all V6 customers to have free 4K access to the two Euro finals.

jfman 24-05-2019 08:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35995976)
So what? That doesn't mean there won't be next time!

What will make it economically viable?

OLD BOY 24-05-2019 10:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35996042)
What will make it economically viable?

Sky seem to be doing nicely out of it.

jfman 24-05-2019 11:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35996055)
Sky seem to be doing nicely out of it.

They have a business model and subscriber base in place that’s taken 30 years. The ability to achieve the same in the space of a three year rights cycle for any new entrant is questionable at best.

denphone 24-05-2019 11:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35996064)
They have a business model and subscriber base in place that’s taken 30 years. The ability to achieve the same in the space of a three year rights cycle for any new entrant is questionable at best.

Pie in the sky fantasy l would call it...

OLD BOY 24-05-2019 13:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35996064)
They have a business model and subscriber base in place that’s taken 30 years. The ability to achieve the same in the space of a three year rights cycle for any new entrant is questionable at best.

How long do you think it would take for Sky Sport subscribers to cancel their subscription and start a new one with a streaming service such as Amazon? The subscriber base is already there to be exploited.

jfman 24-05-2019 13:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35996078)
How long do you think it would take for Sky Sport subscribers to cancel their subscription and start a new one with a streaming service such as Amazon? The subscriber base is already there to be exploited.

Long enough that I don’t see a massive rush for anyone to spend £1.5bn a year to find out.

OLD BOY 24-05-2019 13:32

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The European finals will be available free on Virgin Media.

https://advanced-television.com/2019...-on-virgin-tv/


All customers of UK multiplay operator Virgin TV will be able to watch this year’s UEFA Champions League and Europa League final free of charge.

Four Premier League sides will compete in the final of the two biggest European competitions meaning that millions of British football fans will be scrambling to watch the action.

Virgin Media says it has made the matches as easy to watch as possible, making both available to all of its customers regardless of whether they are subscribed to BT Sport.


---------- Post added at 13:32 ---------- Previous post was at 13:25 ----------

More good news for football fans.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2019...fa-cup-rights/

The BBC and ITV have agreed to share the rights to the FA Cup from 2021.

The four-year deal means an end to the current arrangement that has seen the BBC share the rights to the cup competition with BT Sport.

ITV will broadcast around 20 matches per season from the first round through to the final, which will be shared with the BBC.


BBC Sport will have coverage of 18 matches per season together with highlights and online clips.

Niall Sloane, ITV Director of Sport, said: “We are delighted to be able to broadcast the FA Cup once again. We are particularly pleased that we shared The FA’s vision of a completely free-to-air competition and look forward to bringing new viewers all the along the road to Wembley Stadium.”

The BBC will have first and fourth picks of matches in the first, third and fifth rounds as well first pick of the semi-finals, with ITV having the first and fourth picks in the second and fourth rounds plus the quarter-finals.

In March, the BBC announced a new four-year deal with the Football Association to show the FA Cup until 2025.



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muppetman11 25-05-2019 15:13

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Get us back on free-to-air TV': Exclusive Sky deal a turn-off for viewers, say Formula One team chiefs

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...am-chiefs.html

denphone 25-05-2019 16:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35996202)
Get us back on free-to-air TV': Exclusive Sky deal a turn-off for viewers, say Formula One team chiefs

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...am-chiefs.html

Not a chance of that happening.

OLD BOY 25-05-2019 17:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35996215)
Not a chance of that happening.

You never know, Jeremy might nationalise Sky, make it free and buy everyone a nice new dish to boot. He's generous like that, with our money! :D

Seriously, we didn't know how lucky we were in the 'Grandstand' and 'World of Sport' days!

denphone 25-05-2019 17:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35996219)
You never know, Jeremy might nationalise Sky, make it free and buy everyone a nice new dish to boot. He's generous like that, with our money! :D

Seriously, we didn't know how lucky we were in the 'Grandstand' and 'World of Sport' days!

Now being a older geezer they were the days of great afternoon family entertainment.:D

jfman 25-05-2019 17:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35996215)
Not a chance of that happening.

The remarks are from the Commercial Director of F1, so do carry slightly more weight than say an opinion piece from a digital marketing company.

F1 is generally a procession round a track however is a huge global brand with significant sponsorship income and investment. It has disproportionate status, but status relies on people recognising it as such. It loses global recognition if nobody can see it.

denphone 25-05-2019 18:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35996231)
The remarks are from the Commercial Director of F1, so do carry slightly more weight than say an opinion piece from a digital marketing company.

F1 is generally a procession round a track however is a huge global brand with significant sponsorship income and investment. It has disproportionate status, but status relies on people recognising it as such. It loses global recognition if nobody can see it.

But can you see the BBC , ITV and C4 pay what Sky are paying currently?

jfman 25-05-2019 18:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35996234)
But can you see the BBC , ITV and C4 pay what Sky are paying currently?

No, but it’s not a zero sum game. The same ratings drops applied across all the territories F1 broadcasts to and you are talking about losing global recognition of the brands involved.

F1 isn’t like football where events like the FA Cup, World Cup, European Championships and internationals allow the casual viewer to dip in and out.

muppetman11 25-05-2019 20:48

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Purely selfish but I'd like F1 back on Freeview for all it's fans , as someone who watches very little of it I'd sooner see Sky spend it's money elsewhere.

denphone 25-05-2019 20:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35996265)
Purely selfish but I'd like F1 back on Freeview for all it's fans , as someone who watches very little of it I'd sooner see Sky spend it's money elsewhere.

l agree MM but can you see that happening?.

Mr K 25-05-2019 21:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35996265)
Purely selfish but I'd like F1 back on Freeview for all it's fans , as someone who watches very little of it I'd sooner see Sky spend it's money elsewhere.

Rather have my toenails extracted with rusty pliers than watch those silly cars go round and round for no good reason .. Just watch your local ring road if that entertains ;)
However the Cricket World Cup and Ashes not being on terrestrial is a crime...

ozsat 26-05-2019 08:12

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Rolland Garros is now in 4K/HDR (for V6 customers with correct setup) via Red Button on channels 250, 521, 522 and 999.

cheekyangus 26-05-2019 10:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35996302)
Rolland Garros is now in 4K/HDR (for V6 customers with correct setup) via Red Button on channels 250, 521, 522 and 999.

Ah well, no Full House, no downscaled 4K for me. SD French Open it is. :cool:

Raider999 26-05-2019 14:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35996272)
Rather have my toenails extracted with rusty pliers than watch those silly cars go round and round for no good reason .. Just watch your local ring road if that entertains ;)
However the Cricket World Cup and Ashes not being on terrestrial is a crime...

Two problems with that

Dedicating air time to broadcast whole games just won't happen

Terrestrial channels won't pay the going rate even if they are prepared to do the above.


Best hopes are to get highlights packages of all sports on terrestrial tv - however they need to be on at peak viewing times to attract viewers not 11pm and later as they used to be.

Mr K 26-05-2019 15:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35996355)
Two problems with that

Dedicating air time to broadcast whole games just won't happen

Terrestrial channels won't pay the going rate even if they are prepared to do the above.


Best hopes are to get highlights packages of all sports on terrestrial tv - however they need to be on at peak viewing times to attract viewers not 11pm and later as they used to be.

Oh I don't know, Channel 5 has plenty of crap that could make way for live cricket.

Raider999 26-05-2019 20:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35996359)
Oh I don't know, Channel 5 has plenty of crap that could make way for live cricket.


As has BBC and itv, my point was that they will not dedicate enough time to show the whole match live.

At least sky are able and willing to do so.

denphone 26-05-2019 20:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35996431)
As has BBC and itv, my point was that they will not dedicate enough time to show the whole match live.

At least sky are able and willing to do so.

BBC and ITV won't do that as they are far more interested in churning out reality shows right up to the watershed.

OLD BOY 27-05-2019 09:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35996433)
BBC and ITV won't do that as they are far more interested in churning out reality shows right up to the watershed.

Yes, by aiming at the lowest common denominator, they seem to get maximum viewing figures. Because most able bodied intelligent people don't waste their time watching TV all day.

Those who have a brain but are stuck in for some reason (eg illness, disability, caring, etc) are not catered for at all during the daytime by the Freeview channels.

denphone 28-05-2019 11:25

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Why is Sky Sports Racing showing channel off air on the EPG from the 4th of June?.

cheekyangus 28-05-2019 11:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35996746)
Why is Sky Sports Racing showing channel of air on the EPG from the 4th of June?.

It's Lifetime+1 all over again...

:p: :D But seriously, if they were doing an HD swap I doubt the programme info would say that. Maybe it's just an error by the guide people?

denphone 28-05-2019 11:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 35996748)
It's Lifetime+1 all over again...

:p: :D But seriously, if they were doing an HD swap I doubt the programme info would say that. Maybe it's just an error by the guide people?

There have been errors of different sorts for a while on the guide for this channel so obviously there is either a bug somewhere or someone ain't doing that job properly.

ozsat 28-05-2019 16:59

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The Sky EPG has been wrong for this channel too over the weekend.

Channel off air not showing here any more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35996746)
Why is Sky Sports Racing showing channel off air on the EPG from the 4th of June?.


denphone 28-05-2019 17:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35996789)
The Sky EPG has been wrong for this channel too over the weekend.

Channel off air not showing here any more.

Channel off air is still showing on my EPG guide from next Tuesday.

ozsat 28-05-2019 18:13

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When was you last callback? Mine was at 3.20pm.
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35996793)
Channel off air is still showing on my EPG guide from next Tuesday.


denphone 28-05-2019 18:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35996818)
When was you last callback? Mine was at 3.20pm.

13.10pm.

denphone 28-05-2019 20:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 35996748)
It's Lifetime+1 all over again...

:p: :D But seriously, if they were doing an HD swap I doubt the programme info would say that. Maybe it's just an error by the guide people?

Now the EPG guide is showing The Bloodstock show from the 4th to the 10th of June.:D:D

Media Boy UK 28-05-2019 20:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35996872)
Now the EPG guide is showing The Bloodstock show from the 4th to the 10th of June.:D:D

Also here too.

denphone 28-05-2019 20:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35996875)
Also here too.

There seems to be a bug that is affecting it then.

denphone 29-05-2019 13:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35996875)
Also here too.

Now it has Australian racing on the EPG for several days followed by the bloodstock show for another 7 days.:confused:

ozsat 29-05-2019 14:34

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The online Sky Guide is very much the same.

denphone 29-05-2019 14:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35997047)
The online Sky Guide is very much the same.

So who's fault is it then?.

ozsat 29-05-2019 14:45

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If Sky are wrong and it is their channel - then .. ?

denphone 29-05-2019 16:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35997053)
If Sky are wrong and it is their channel - then .. ?

Since it has launched as SSR on the Virgin EPG for the channel info has been pretty much a shambles.

ozsat 29-05-2019 16:53

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It has on Sky EPG too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35997074)
Since it has launched as SSR on the Virgin EPG for the channel info has been pretty much a shambles.



---------- Post added at 16:53 ---------- Previous post was at 16:44 ----------

The online Sky EPG still is missing most of the schedule from this Saturday for Sky Sports Racing.

Perhaps the channel just hasn't released it yet.

denphone 29-05-2019 16:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35997079)
It has on Sky EPG too.



---------- Post added at 16:53 ---------- Previous post was at 16:44 ----------

The online Sky EPG still is missing most of the schedule from this Saturday for Sky Sports Racing.

Perhaps the channel just hasn't released it yet.

Pretty slapdash and amateurish l would say.

ozsat 29-05-2019 17:07

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Agreed - I've just look on the SkyQ box and the schedule is all messed up on their too.

Massive gaps - which goes against Sky's own rules for the EPG.

Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35997081)
Pretty slapdash and amateurish l would say.


denphone 30-05-2019 07:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 35997085)
Agreed - I've just look on the SkyQ box and the schedule is all messed up on their too.

Massive gaps - which goes against Sky's own rules for the EPG.

And nothing has improved this morning on the SSR EPG data info.:rolleyes:

denphone 30-05-2019 10:52

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Sky Sports Racing EPG data guide has finally been updated to the 9th June.

cheekyangus 01-06-2019 10:45

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I see that 532 is enabled for our box for this Final. Maybe VM did something, maybe it's simply because there was a short TV outage yesterday afternoon and the V6 box refreshed what was enabled.

So in theory I can watch downscaled 4K for the first time tonight.

Gavin-D 04-06-2019 08:46

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BT & the FA sign a £50million sponsorship deal for all England squads

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48509079

denphone 10-06-2019 15:17

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England Vs Scotland World Cup Clash Breaks Viewing Record.

http://www.sportbible.com/football/n...ecord-20190610

telegramsam 10-06-2019 18:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35998542)
England Vs Scotland World Cup Clash Breaks Viewing Record.

http://www.sportbible.com/football/n...ecord-20190610

Not sure BBC can fairly compare the viewing figures with Sky's game involving England and Switzerland as Sky's audience target is limited compared to the BBC's. I do however accept they are good.

denphone 10-06-2019 18:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35998579)
Not sure BBC can fairly compare the viewing figures with Sky's game involving England and Switzerland as Sky's audience target is limited compared to the BBC's. I do however accept they are good.

It does tell one quite clearly that FTA televised sport will always attract good audiences.

jfman 10-06-2019 18:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35998581)
It does tell one quite clearly that FTA televised sport will always attract good audiences.

And that content on linear television at the top of the EPGs will do the same.

denphone 10-06-2019 18:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35998590)
And that content on linear television at the top of the EPGs will do the same.

There is no doubt about that jfman.

1andrew1 10-06-2019 18:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35998581)
It does tell one quite clearly that FTA televised sport will always attract good audiences.

And that two home nations playing each other can attract higher viewing figures than England and another country.

denphone 10-06-2019 19:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35998599)
And that two home nations playing each other can attract higher viewing figures than England and another country.

You sure Andrew.

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Media Boy UK 10-06-2019 19:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35998601)
You sure Andrew.

That will also be Scottish viewers hoping the other teams wins. ;)

Raider999 10-06-2019 21:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35998601)
You sure Andrew.


Big difference - those games were Men's World Cup not Ladies - I am sure you would agree the Ladies game has a bit of catching up to do on the attendance & viewing front.


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