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Even Baldrick gets it!

https://twitter.com/Tony_Robinson/st...64866763206656

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Have they? That's not what Theresa May said this afternoon.

Oh, silly me, you meant the solution that we stay in the EU! Ain't gonna happen, mate.

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[QUOTE=OLD BOY;35963923]Yeah, look at the companies we would be boycotting - http://www.top1000.ie/companies

Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook in the technology field. In my business, almost every big pharmaceutical company has a base in Ireland - https://www.siliconrepublic.com/care...panies-ireland

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[QUOTE=jonbxx;35963936]I don't think that where a company has a base is necessarily a factor. Are you seriously suggesting, for example, that we won't be able to access Google if we closed the Irish border to trade?

I don't think so. However, agricultural products would be seriously affected. The Irish Republic would not like that.

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The 'red lines' are more ours than the EU though.

1) Neither the EU or the UK wants a border in Ireland
2) The UK doesn't want a border in the Irish Sea - EU cool with that
3) The UK doesn't want a customs union - EU cool with that

What is the solution to the problem we are hoping the EU comes up with?

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[QUOTE=OLD BOY;35963942]There’s more to Google than a search engine! Their medical AI work for instance is just amazing. Plus all of their analytics, development platforms and APIs.

I know in the pharma field, some sites in Ireland are sole manufacturers globally. There is no alternative if you want a specific drug..

You are right, though, agriculture, especially in the northern counties will definitely be hurt big time.

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These to me are the options which haven't changed since 2016.
1) No deal
2) Postpone withdrawal
3) United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland stays in EEA and Customs Union.
4) Great Britain stays in EEA but leaves Customs Union. Northern Ireland stays in both EEA and Customs Union
5) Great Britain gets a Canada-style deal. Northern Ireland stays in both EEA and Customs Union.

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The last one will be interesting as May has again stated the UK will not be fragmented, which the last option would require.

Whilst the last option may suit some, it will definitely not suit the hard leave group and splits the UK in terms of agreements. Scotland might start clamouring for a similar arrangement as NI.

The whole EU vote has divided the UK and the Tory Party, and it looks like NI will be sacrificed in order to maintain the Tory party.

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Can you remind me which of these is in the "leaflet posted through the door explaining exactly what brexit was" ? :)

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Fixed that for you.

Please don’t equate Scottish nationalists with Scotland; they are not the same thing. Most Scottish people understand the principles behind democracy and majority - I’d argue that most understand them better than many people south of the border, seeing as we are the only part of the U.K. ever to have debated and voted on a choice to be in or out of the UK. We understand that this means we go where the UK goes even if most people in Scotland later voted to remain in the EU. Nationalists continue to argue for different treatment for Scotland because it suits their agenda to keep seeking points of difference and grievance.

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Fair play, but you do see where this is going.

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Not a lot of difference between 55/45 and 52/48.

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The similarities between the arguments over Scottish independence and the UK’s membership of the EU are also quite striking, though they are by no means identical (hence the enormously different voting pattern in Scotland in 2016 compared to 2014).

The likely similarity between Brexit negotiations and any attempt to negotiate Scotland out of the U.K. is giving Nicola Sturgeon sleepless nights at the moment. You may have wondered why she has been so restrained (for her) in her commentary on the process; it’s because she doesn’t want to make the process look horribly difficult for fear of making the process of Scottish independence look so horrible as to be unthinkable. It’s also the reason why she’s not lining up with the ‘people’s vote’ numpties in support of a second referendum. You can be quite certain that if she ever wins one in Scotland, she won’t entertain any calls for a second referendum of any form. She knows, even if the ‘peoples Vote’ lot won’t admit it, that a second referendum ‘on the terms of the deal’ is really just a device to overturn the original result.

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I read it in the leaflet, anyone who didn't should go to Specsavers. Other brands are available. :D

I think The Independent nails what will happen.
What will happen? Jonathan Lis of Influence spells it out.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-customs-union
Whether the UK decides to remove the GB-NI border by GB staying in the Customs Union and EEA is up to Theresa May's Government. Expect a somewhat different approach from Theresa May after the Conservative Party Conference!

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How's a border in the Irish Sea going to work?

1. GB to Northern Ireland - no border.
2. GB to Irish Republic - that's up to the EU.
3. Irish Republic to GB - that's up to the UK.
4. Irish Republic to Northern Ireland - that's up to the EU if we make no border.
5. Northern Ireland to Irish Republic - that's up to the EU.