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Horizon 22-11-2016 22:34
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35871141)
V6 uses your home network for the same things as TiVo used it's own network connection - apps such as BBC iPlayer, Netflix and YouTube. Of course, the slow modem on TiVo would be no use for 4K streams from Netflix and YouTube.
In addition, V6 needs a faster upload to provide download of recordings to TV Anywhere app, something not possible with TiVo's very poor upload on its 10Mb internet connection.
Thanks for that. Forgot all about recordings. I guess we'll hear a lot more about recordings soon when VM launch their cloud service(s).

RichardCoulter 22-11-2016 22:58
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35871137)
The 7th is a recording and doesn't need a tuner.
Sorry, thought you meant live TV.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35871141)
V6 uses your home network for the same things as TiVo used it's own network connection - apps such as BBC iPlayer, Netflix and YouTube. Of course, the slow modem on TiVo would be no use for 4K streams from Netflix and YouTube.
In addition, V6 needs a faster upload to provide download of recordings to TV Anywhere app, something not possible with TiVo's very poor upload on its 10Mb internet connection.
Indeed, as I had to explain to the installer of my V6!

He was under the impression that it had to be connected to my modem, so it's useful for potential V6 customers to be aware of this

Inactive Digital 22-11-2016 23:05
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35871141)
In addition, V6 needs a faster upload to provide download of recordings to TV Anywhere app, something not possible with TiVo's very poor upload on its 10Mb internet connection.
I've seen posts online saying that anyone taking a V6 will need 100mb tier broadband - is that for the upload speed, rather than the download then?

1andrew1 22-11-2016 23:09
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by Inactive Digital (Post 35871166)
I've seen posts online saying that anyone taking a V6 will need 100mb tier broadband - is that for the upload speed, rather than the download then?
Maybe that's to ensure that the box is not given to people on the cheaper up to 50Mbps - for commercial reasons.

Inactive Digital 22-11-2016 23:16
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35871168)
Maybe that's to ensure that the box is not given to people on the cheaper up to 50Mbps - for commercial reasons.
Or maybe there's another speed boost on the way and 100mb will the lowest broafband tier...?

If 100 is minimum speed required then, as it stands, Player and Mix budle customers wouldn't be able to get a V6 - though Horizon has said packages are being refreshed (again already!) on the 28th...

RobboEdin 22-11-2016 23:33
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inactive Digital (Post 35871166)
I've seen posts online saying that anyone taking a V6 will need 100mb tier broadband - is that for the upload speed, rather than the download then?
I, personally, haven't seen that limitation written down anywhere but the 50Mb tier does only have 3Mb upload which may restrict the ability to download recordings to mobile devices for offline viewing.

jb66 23-11-2016 00:34
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35871177)
I, personally, haven't seen that limitation written down anywhere but the 50Mb tier does only have 3Mb upload which may restrict the ability to download recordings to mobile devices for offline viewing.
For offline viewing you would download to your phone via your own wifi network, upload speed is irrelivant

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Originally Posted by Inactive Digital (Post 35871166)
I've seen posts online saying that anyone taking a V6 will need 100mb tier broadband - is that for the upload speed, rather than the download then?
4k takes over 25meg, two v6s in the same house coudn't stream 4k at the same time

OhReally 23-11-2016 02:17
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35871063)
And many people think that is actually HD because they know they have a HD TV.


That is not a criticism; most people don't have the interest in this kind of thing that posters on forums such as this one do.
Most people's eyes aren't capable of seeing the difference at normal viewing distances, let alone 4k...unless you sit about 2 feet from the screen :D

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Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35871190)
For offline viewing you would download to your phone via your own wifi network, upload speed is irrelivant

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4k takes over 25meg, two v6s in the same house coudn't stream 4k at the same time
What was I saying about overloading an already saturated network?

SonicMaster 23-11-2016 10:54
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35871051)
... or even on the 28th as that is when the prices/package changes come into effect.
What price/package changes are you referring to?

They only very recently renamed all their TV packs, moved channels around and introduced new prices.

Surely not another load of changes so soon?

RobboEdin 23-11-2016 12:58
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35871190)
For offline viewing you would download to your phone via your own wifi network, upload speed is irrelivant
...but the recording is sitting on your V6 hard disk so to download it to your mobile device would first require it to be uploaded from there before it could be downloaded to the mobile device.
Upload is important and the reason this function was never available on TiVo which could only upload at 1Mb.

RichardCoulter 23-11-2016 13:07
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35871168)
Maybe that's to ensure that the box is not given to people on the cheaper up to 50Mbps - for commercial reasons.
Good point:

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Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35871246)
Since when have vm cold called? Got phone call making me offer to return to vm what was interesting was the v6 box was offered st no extra cost wasn't a bad offer either tv m+ plus 50mb bb plus weekend calls £32.99p/m plus £14.99 connection.
I ofcourse told them no but was polite but as i said the intersting part is the new tivo being offered on such a low pack, yes i know m+ isn't called that anymore but i still have havit of refering to vm tv as m, m+, l and xl lol.
Looks like it's finally dawning on them that they have lost customers due to their recent antics.

Bet they are desperately trying to reduce churn to appease the shareholders ie allowing those on lower BB tiers to have a V6 and for only £14.99, trying to get back former customers (who by now have probably made other arrangements).

BenMcr 23-11-2016 14:09
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35871243)
...but the recording is sitting on your V6 hard disk so to download it to your mobile device would first require it to be uploaded from there before it could be downloaded to the mobile device.
Upload is important and the reason this function was never available on TiVo which could only upload at 1Mb.
Upload and download speeds within your home network are normally symmetrical. It's only once you get out on to the internet does upload become a different thing to download.

Uploads were an issue on the current TiVo because it wasn't required to be connected to your home network, so if Virgin Media had done anything with recordings, they would have had to go over the built in modem.

As mentioned on here, the V6 connects to your Hub, so it won't use the broadband upload speeds if it doesn't need to, but what's available in your home network.

RobboEdin 23-11-2016 14:45
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Thank you for the explanation. I now retract my previous statement.

Ultimate.Conj 23-11-2016 15:30
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
[QUOTE=OhReally;35871196]Most people's eyes aren't capable of seeing the difference at normal viewing distances, let alone 4k...unless you sit about 2 feet from the screen :DQUOTE]

The difference between SD and HD is easily distinguishable, especially if you watch most of your content in HD these days. SD channels are so blurry.

How we got by before HD, I'll never know lol :D

OLD BOY 23-11-2016 15:45
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by OhReally (Post 35871196)
Most people's eyes aren't capable of seeing the difference at normal viewing distances, let alone 4k...unless you sit about 2 feet from the screen :
The difference between SD and HD is quite remarkable on a 49" screen. I will let you know whether there is a similar difference when I start getting 4k pictures on my TV shortly. I am expecting these pictures to be quite stunning.

On a small screen, these differences are nowhere near as noticeable.


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