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OLD BOY 07-04-2019 23:06

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35990393)
You’re contradicting yourself again.



Which is it?

We all know there’s no economic case for Brexit. Even Mogg says it could be 50 years before we see any benefit. (Channel 4)

You are not paying attention. The customs union covers both goods and services. That is not what we voted for.

jfman 07-04-2019 23:24

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35990412)
You are not paying attention. The customs union covers both goods and services. That is not what we voted for.

You’ve once again changed your mind, and misunderstood my point (and conflated your ideological view of Brexit with that of 17.4 million other people).

One more time. A customs union (not to be confused with the customs union) could allow us a common trade area with the EU over goods and allow us to negotiate international trade deals on services.

If you search for the term “the customs union” in all of my posts you will find I have only ever used it today to correct your misunderstanding of the subject area.

nomadking 07-04-2019 23:48

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35990413)
You’ve once again changed your mind, and misunderstood my point (and conflated your ideological view of Brexit with that of 17.4 million other people).

One more time. A customs union (not to be confused with the customs union) could allow us a common trade area with the EU over goods and allow us to negotiate international trade deals on services.

If you search for the term “the customs union” in all of my posts you will find I have only ever used it today to correct your misunderstanding of the subject area.

So which type is on offer from the EU? That's the only type we can refer to.

jfman 07-04-2019 23:59

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35990414)
So which type is on offer from the EU? That's the only type we can refer to.

You’d need to ask them? I’m not in the negotiations.

Carth 08-04-2019 00:18

Re: Brexit
 
All this crap about funding Leave using 'dark money' and the hysteria which it's thrown about with . . . get a life people


Nobody ever mentions the millions of our money spent by the Government telling everyone to vote Remain do they :rolleyes:

The government is spending more than £9m on sending a leaflet to every UK household setting out the case for remaining in the European Union.

Mine went into the bin without reading . . .

Dave42 08-04-2019 00:50

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35990417)
All this crap about funding Leave using 'dark money' and the hysteria which it's thrown about with . . . get a life people


Nobody ever mentions the millions of our money spent by the Government telling everyone to vote Remain do they :rolleyes:

The government is spending more than £9m on sending a leaflet to every UK household setting out the case for remaining in the European Union.

Mine went into the bin without reading . . .

the money for remain wasn't Russian money just saying ;)

jfman 08-04-2019 00:57

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35990418)
the money for remain wasn't Russian money just saying ;)

Can’t have been big corporations either, they don’t pay tax here :D

OLD BOY 08-04-2019 07:31

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35990413)
You’ve once again changed your mind, and misunderstood my point (and conflated your ideological view of Brexit with that of 17.4 million other people).

One more time. A customs union (not to be confused with the customs union) could allow us a common trade area with the EU over goods and allow us to negotiate international trade deals on services.

If you search for the term “the customs union” in all of my posts you will find I have only ever used it today to correct your misunderstanding of the subject area.

That's right - a trade area over goods (not services). What I and most other leavers want is the ability to strike trade deals over both goods and services.

I don't know where you have gained a belief that I have changed my mind on this - I haven't.. If you really believe you can have the best of both worlds in relation to goods, you are indeed chasing unicorns. You would have to square that with EU and WTO rules.

jfman 08-04-2019 08:08

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35990423)
That's right - a trade area over goods (not services). What I and most other leavers want is the ability to strike trade deals over both goods and services.

I don't know where you have gained a belief that I have changed my mind on this - I haven't.. If you really believe you can have the best of both worlds in relation to goods, you are indeed chasing unicorns. You would have to square that with EU and WTO rules.

Anyone can see there’s at least four contradictory statements by you.

Quote:

Er, what? Do you really believe that you can negotiate trade deals while belonging to a customs union? Would you mind explaining that?
I’m getting lost, you either can or can’t negotiate trade deals for services while in a customs union.

You seem further confused that I want the “best of both worlds” in relation to goods - that’s not the case. I’ve clearly said for a number of posts now a customs union (not to be confused with the customs union) covering goods and separate trade deals with the world covering services. I’ve lost track whether you believe it is possible or not but I can assure the forum your belief in it or otherwise is irrelevant, it is possible.

In around half of your posts you seem to grasp this. However in the other half it’s gone.

1andrew1 08-04-2019 08:52

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35990426)
In around half of your posts you seem to grasp this. However in the other half it’s gone.

I don't get it either. Old Boy, are those all your posts or has someone jumped on your computer when you've been away from your desk?

papa smurf 08-04-2019 10:50

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35990418)
the money for remain wasn't Russian money just saying ;)

It was recovered from the pockets of Judas.

jfman 08-04-2019 11:28

Re: Brexit
 
May has been summoned to Berlin by the boss. Tomorrow at noon.

papa smurf 08-04-2019 11:39

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35990448)
May has been summoned to Berlin by the boss. Tomorrow at noon.

Is she taking the deputy pm jezza with her ?

jfman 08-04-2019 11:42

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35990449)
Is she taking the deputy pm jezza with her ?

Does she trust the de facto PM Oliver Letwin to not stage a coup? ;)

EDIT: she’s also meeting perfidious Macron.

RichardCoulter 08-04-2019 11:46

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35990448)
May has been summoned to Berlin by the boss. Tomorrow at noon.

Interesting, I wonder what that will be about.


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