Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35878527)

Doh, what the hell do you think they would do Andrew ?

A major country declares war on Russia, because to respond militarily, you are automatically declaring war on them. You think they are just going to ignore that they have nuclear war heads?

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35878520)

Good luck with that. martyh makes his own crap up as he goes along and still argues black is white and he suggests to others to stay off the coffee :rolleyes:

...He has pointed out twice now, that I have said 'Nuclear response', no that is not what I said, I said Nuclear conflict, because that is the end result. Doh!

It does not take a genius, to work out that a military response aimed towards Russia, sparks off a Nuclear world conflict, because they are not going to respond back with a smile.

Let's have a look at the Scenario:-

US Military Response > Russia > Russia engages in full Nuclear strike back against US > US Allies with Nuclear capability, engage in Nuclear strike back against Russia > World War III.

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35878513)

That does not answer the question. All it requires is yes or no.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35878546)

So for the totally ignorant amongst us ,Israel cannot be a true democracy because they are a Jewish state .A Jewish state is for Jews only ,they may well have an elected Parliament (of sorts) but it is only elected by Jewish voters ,the Palestinians barring a few thousand do not get a vote

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35878528)

If and it's a big if the US was to take any military action against Russia it would eventually escalate beyond initial intentions including the use of nuclear weapons be they tactical or strategic. Putin has made it very clear that no military attack on Russia would go unanswered and once one starts it it will quickly escalate. Clinton was very happy to antagonise and provoke the Russians and obama as with most things sat on his backside and said and did nothing. I'm no fan of putin personally i think he's dangerous and is a threat but Russia has a large nuclear arsenal and that means different rules for them like it or not.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35878548)

Interested in this. So would you say only truly secular nations can be a democracy?

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35878549)

No not at all.A country aligned with religion could be a democracy if it allows non believers a say in how the country is run .The UK is defined as a Christian country but we allow Muslims and all other religions a vote ,Israel does not allow most Palestinians to vote from a Palestinians point of view Israel is a dictatorship

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35878545)

There are a number of actions short of military we can do. Not everything has to escalate to nuclear war. However we're sort of doomed anyway if that's the attitude because Russia can just continue do whatever they like if we just surrender because they have nukes.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35878568)

We have Nukes too but do you think we stand a cat in hell's chance of winning them? And you keep saying Russia gets to do what it likes by putting it's interests first, well so does the US !

Originally Posted by Sky News

The carmaker says its decision - following criticism of the company by Mr Trump -is a vote of confidence in the president-elect.

Ford is cancelling plans for a $1.6bn (£1.3bn) plant in Mexico as car manufacturers come under pressure from Donald Trump over US jobs.

The announcement came hours after the president-elect threatened Ford's rival General Motors with a "big border tax" its manufacture of cars outside the US.

Ford said it was creating 700 new jobs as it expands a new assembly plant in Flat Rock, Michigan, that will build high-tech self-driving and electric vehicles.

It said the investment was being paid for from money it had previously earmarked to build a new plant in San Luis Potosi, Mexico.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35878958)

BREAKING: Ford Cancels $1.6bn Mexico Plant due to Pressure from President-Elect Donald Trump:-

http://news.sky.com/story/ford-cance...trump-10717038

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35878986)

I wonder if there's more to this deal, like there was with the carrier plant once the surface was scratched, the devil is in the detail

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35878996)

We'll see if something more comes out but for now it is a success for Trump, no point denying him that. Jobs staying in the US, even if so far it's relatively few, is what he said he would do. There may well be more such achievements to come and speaking as someone who is mildly terrified of Trump I would much rather see his Presidency be stories like that instead of the almost facist traits he has displayed.