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Re: President Joe Biden’s first 100 days in office

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36068354)

Thought you weren't interested in US politics Mick :D

Anyway, you forgot to post the rest of the article...

I forgot nothing. The link is there. Posting entire articles is not a given. And you know this, stop trolling.

I’m not going to say this again. Another troll, said the same last week, I don’t have to be interested in the subject matter, to engage in the debate.

Re: President Joe Biden’s first 100 days in office

I think it's not uncommon to have temporary halts to allow the case to be heard.

Even if the case succeeds and they get to deport some immigrants the Democrats are largely united on immigration reform and getting the 'Dreamers' citizenship so congress will be able to pass something on that. These executive orders are intended to be sticking plasters until then.

The Dreamers (FYI people who've been there since children) are protected anyway as The Supreme Court stuck down the Trump administration's attempts to remove their protection but if the Democrats finally get them their path to citizenship they're protected forever.

Re: President Joe Biden’s first 100 days in office

Biden has ordered an end to the use of private federal prisons: https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden...afb1dd3a5f115e

Re: President Joe Biden’s first 100 days in office

So I wonder where they are going to put the prisoners instead ...

Re: President Joe Biden’s first 100 days in office

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36068413)

So I wonder where they are going to put the prisoners instead ...

Probably going to let them all out with a slap on the wrist and a promise not to do it again. :D

Re: President Joe Biden’s first 100 days in office

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36068413)

So I wonder where they are going to put the prisoners instead ...

I think they're just management contracts so the state will just take them in-house.

Re: President Joe Biden’s first 100 days in office

Yeah. The vast majority of prisoners are not in private prisons, federally anyway, as the Obama Administration had the same policy I think so there hasn't been the chance for the numbers to increase that much.

Plus this is 'when the current contracts run out' so the turnover isn't going to be huge.

Re: President Joe Biden’s first 100 days in office

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36068423)

Probably going to let them all out with a slap on the wrist and a promise not to do it again. :D

That would be as rediculous as locking people up for profit, where recidivism is actively encouraged as a revenue stream

Re: President Joe Biden’s first 100 days in office

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36068436)

That would be as rediculous as locking people up for profit, where recidivism is actively encouraged as a revenue stream

Didn't realise the re-offending rates for public run prisons were so low.:rolleyes:

It's the public run courts that send them there.

Re: President Joe Biden’s first 100 days in office

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36068438)

Didn't realise the re-offending rates for public run prisons were so low.:rolleyes:

It's the public run courts that send them there.

https://www.rochester.edu/endowment/...-3.18.2020.pdf

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Private prison companies have a vested interest in high incarceration rates. A 2010 CCA Annual Report states that, “the demand for our facilities and services could be adversely affected by the relaxation of enforcement efforts, leniency in conviction or parole standards and sentencing practices or through the decriminalization of certain activities that are currently proscribed by our criminal laws. . .

[R]eductions in crime rates or resources dedicated to prevent and enforce crime could lead to reductions in arrests, convictions and sentences requiring incarceration at correctional facilities.”50 Both CoreCivic and GEO Group have spent millions of dollars lobbying at the state and federal levels for policies that increase incarceration and against those that would limit it.

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Likewise, the GEO Group lobbied Congress regarding legislation affecting their business interests such as the Corrections Act, Recidivism Risk Reduction Act, Border Security Act, and Immigration Modernization Act.53 Further, both GEO Group and CoreCivic benefitted from active partnerships with the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), an organization that hosts conferences and writes model bills, which are then introduced in state capitols by ALEC members (one-quarter of state legislators are members). GEO Group and CoreCivic were long-time members, and CoreCivic (then CCA) Vice President John Rees served concurrently as ALEC criminal justice task force co-chair until 2000. In 1995, twenty-five states enacted “truth-in-sentencing” laws based on ALEC model legislation requiring prisoners to serve 85 percent of their sentences in prison. Eleven states enacted ALEC model “three-strikes” laws.54 The effect of these laws is to increase the duration of time served, by limiting the discretion of parole boards and courts to judge that less time served is more just and consistent with the public interest

Re: President Joe Biden’s first 100 days in office

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36068441)

https://www.rochester.edu/endowment/...-3.18.2020.pdf

A report from people who would gladly see the criminals out committing more crime, and of course able to vote for the Democrats.

Nothing there that reduces crime, only ignoring it.

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Private prison companies have a vested interest in high incarceration rates. A 2010 CCA Annual Report states that, “the demand for our facilities and services could be adversely affected by the relaxation of enforcement efforts, leniency in conviction or parole standards and sentencing practices or through the decriminalization of certain activities that are currently proscribed by our criminal laws. . .
Reductions in crime rates or resources dedicated to prevent and enforce crime could lead to reductions in arrests, convictions and sentences requiring incarceration at correctional facilities.

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President Clinton then promised in a budget proposal to cut costs through privatization, and the ensuing Appropriations Act allowed states to use funding received under the act for private prison facilities.

Re: President Joe Biden’s first 100 days in office

Ad hominem attack on a source (University Ethics Committee), not addressing the highlighted points.

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Must have missed the post that answered my questions about what must be the lower re-offending rates of public run prisons and whether non-public courts send them there.
A central aim of prisons should be that nobody wants to go there, or at least not again.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36068449)

A central aim, should be reforming those incarcerated. Criminals (for the most part) do not commit crimes in the expectation of getting caught.

Re: President Joe Biden’s first 100 days in office

Topic? Let's not jump down a rabbit hole.