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Chris 03-12-2019 15:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36019054)
The papers are either clearly civil service briefing for meetings or they aren't. If Russian sources are involved in providing them I fail to see the relevance. If they're genuine they are genuine. If not that should be easy to prove.
The relevance is obvious. The papers are being used out of context to allow one side of the debate to advance a certain point of view (actually just a riff on the same threat they’ve been making for 40 years, and it hasn’t happened yet, but hey). The effect is destabilising and the potential gain for Russian foreign policy is also therefore obvious. They’re not interested in any one party having a strong grip on power. Their greatest benefit is in weak, unstable government, of the kind gifted us by the 2017 election.

To repeat, for the benefit of those who have been thoroughly brainwashed by 40 years of Labour claiming the Tories really, really, honestly definitely this time, on the brink of selling the NHS: these are briefing documents arising from exploratory talks designed to set out the UK position and discover the US position. So what if the US wants to buy the NHS, or increase its prices for selling goods and services to the NHS. Nothing anywhere in this material says the Tories are about to give it to them.

Except, as I keep saying, people will believe what they want to believe.

Jimmy-J 04-12-2019 15:13
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Pat's latest "Last chance for Brexit" video...

heero_yuy 05-12-2019 11:38
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Quote from The Sun:Labour magazine the New Statesman has turned its back on Jeremy Corbyn after calling him "unfit to serves as Prime Minister".

The left-wing publication today published an election editorial in which it refused to support Mr Corbyn's bid for power ahead of the general election in eight days.

The magazine has been a required reading for the Labour Party for decades.

In a bombshell issue, it said the Labour leader's "reluctance to apologise" for his handling of the party's anti-Semitism crisis meant he should not be put into Downing Street's Number 10.
New Statesman editorial link here

They're pretty scathing about all the leaders and the state of UK politics.

Chris 05-12-2019 16:29
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Meanwhile, the Jewish LABOUR Movement has said in a private (leaked) submission to the Equality and Human Rights Commission that it thinks the Labour Party is no longer a ‘safe space’ for Jewish people.

https://order-order.com/2019/12/05/r...mitism-labour/

Considering this anti semitism lark is all just a great big Tory smear, they have been surprisingly effective at getting Labour’s own traditional support base to sign up to it.

See also Labour activists opining that Corbyn is unfit for office ... when they’re presented with his anti Semitic opinions, but told it was Boris that said them:

https://order-order.com/2019/12/05/c...sm-said-boris/

pip08456 05-12-2019 16:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36019286)
Meanwhile, the Jewish LABOUR Movement has said in a private (leaked) submission to the Equality and Human Rights Commission that it thinks the Labour Party is no longer a ‘safe space’ for Jewish people.

https://order-order.com/2019/12/05/r...mitism-labour/

Considering this anti semitism lark is all just a great big Tory smear, they have been surprisingly effective at getting Labour’s own traditional support base to sign up to it.

See also Labour activists opining that Corbyn is unfit for office ... when they’re presented with his anti Semitic opinions, but told it was Boris that said them:

https://order-order.com/2019/12/05/c...sm-said-boris/
I've got the popcorn readyfor jfman's reply.:D

papa smurf 05-12-2019 17:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36019288)
I've got the popcorn ready for jfman's reply.:D
My thoughts exactly.

Maggy 05-12-2019 17:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36019288)
I've got the popcorn readyfor jfman's reply.:D
Stick to topic

papa smurf 05-12-2019 17:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36019286)
Meanwhile, the Jewish LABOUR Movement has said in a private (leaked) submission to the Equality and Human Rights Commission that it thinks the Labour Party is no longer a ‘safe space’ for Jewish people.

https://order-order.com/2019/12/05/r...mitism-labour/

Considering this anti semitism lark is all just a great big Tory smear, they have been surprisingly effective at getting Labour’s own traditional support base to sign up to it.

See also Labour activists opining that Corbyn is unfit for office ... when they’re presented with his anti Semitic opinions, but told it was Boris that said them:

https://order-order.com/2019/12/05/c...sm-said-boris/
I was reading this earlier,it's all a bit disturbing.
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/j...ation-1.493993

Sephiroth 05-12-2019 19:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36019286)
Meanwhile, the Jewish LABOUR Movement has said in a private (leaked) submission to the Equality and Human Rights Commission that it thinks the Labour Party is no longer a ‘safe space’ for Jewish people.

https://order-order.com/2019/12/05/r...mitism-labour/

Considering this anti semitism lark is all just a great big Tory smear, they have been surprisingly effective at getting Labour’s own traditional support base to sign up to it.

See also Labour activists opining that Corbyn is unfit for office ... when they’re presented with his anti Semitic opinions, but told it was Boris that said them:

https://order-order.com/2019/12/05/c...sm-said-boris/
Er - is that your view?

Chris 05-12-2019 20:15
Re: Election 2019 - Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36019305)
Er - is that your view?
No, that was so sarcastic it came over as sincere. I absolutely don’t think that, but when Momentum/Labour’s anti semitism problem has come up in this discussion before it has been dismissed as a confected Tory non-story (the last major scandal, for example, was pooh poohed because the chief rabbi is apparently a massive Tory and therefore motivated not by concern for the entire British Jewish community that he has pastoral responsibility for, but his big mate Boris).

Sephiroth 05-12-2019 20:29
Re: Election 2019 - Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36019309)
No, that was so sarcastic it came over as sincere. I absolutely don’t think that, but when Momentum/Labour’s anti semitism problem has come up in this discussion before it has been dismissed as a confected Tory non-story (the last major scandal, for example, was pooh poohed because the chief rabbi is apparently a massive Tory and therefore motivated not by concern for the entire British Jewish community that he has pastoral responsibility for, but his big mate Boris).
Phew. Please, if you find a moment, point me to a post that dismissed the issue as a confected Tory non-story so that I can have a go.

Chris 05-12-2019 20:43
Re: Election 2019 - Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36019313)
Phew. Please, if you find a moment, point me to a post that dismissed the issue as a confected Tory non-story so that I can have a go.
With pleasure:

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36018659)
The chief rabbi considers himself a close personal friend of Johnson, so I’m not giving that much credibility.

I can go on Twitter and find Jews supporting Labour. So I don’t think it’s as clear cut as you suggest.

Thinking the state of Israel shouldn’t exist is a legitimate political stance. Given the number of civilians they kill on a regular basis arguable peace in the Middle East would be better served without Israel.
This was page one of this thread, but several people were so taken aback by the fairly outrageous comments about Israel, that the dismissal of the chief rabbi’s concerns for the entirety of the British Jewish community on the grounds of his friendship with Boris seems to have gone unremarked.

Sephiroth 05-12-2019 21:03
Re: Election 2019 - Week 4
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36018987)
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/i...st-jc-1.493698

One has to wonder who is feeding the Jewish Chronicle such false information, and why?
I did read this when posted but didn't quite know how t reply.
But Chris' elucidation has made my blood boil.

jfman has typically made his accusation that Labour antisemitism is a confection by asking a question.

If jfman truly is of that opinion, then he needs to re-evaluate himself. Antisemitism on the scale present in Labour, one of the UK's supposedly great political parties, is shameful, un-British and is not to be tolerated.

1andrew1 05-12-2019 23:04
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Will he? Won't he?
Quote:
General election 2019: Andrew Neil issues interview challenge to Johnson
..But Mr Neil addressed the PM directly at the end of his fourth leader interview at this election, with Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage."It is not too late. We have an interview prepared. Oven-ready, as Mr Johnson likes to say," he said, in a monologue.

"The theme running through our questions is trust - and why at so many times in his career, in politics and journalism, critics and sometimes even those close to him have deemed him to be untrustworthy. "It is, of course, relevant to what he is promising us all now."

Mr Johnson has also declined an invitation to be grilled by ITV's Julie Etchingham, as part of her series of leader interviews.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50679252

Stephen 05-12-2019 23:12
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I am surprised how many have said they will vote Conservative.


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