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You are being ridiculously pedantic, and also wrong. Caiming that the use of the term "armistice" means Germany didn't actually surrender is nonsense. The German war machine was spent. The German high command may have hoped to come to an amicable truce with the Allies but what they got was extremely harsh. Woodrow Wilson even demanded the abdication of the Kaiser as a precondition, and stipulated that there would not be ceasefire or peace talks, but surrender. Armistice demanded extensive demilitarisation, de-occupation of French and Belgian territories held for almost 50 years and a whole host of other things, with the Allies promising next to nothing in return. All of that was achieved with the surrender of Germany in 1918. The treaty of Versailles the following year was more focused on what the future shape of Europe would be. While it is true that war memorials created in the immediate aftermath of the conflict date its end to 1919, there is no doubt that 11 November 1918 was the day the Allies won and Germany surrendered. |
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Rule one of extremists, don't give them political ground to stand on. A poll yesterday shows only 4% of Americans like the white nationalists but 62% like the statues where they are.
DON'T GIVE THEM THE STATUE ISSUE. source |
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The statue issue is a different debate and not owned by the White supremacists. |
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Also make it should like a reasonable disagreement with moderate conservatives. |
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I don't even think they had this meeting because of the statues did they? |
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Well still I don't think we should give them validation of ignoring the issue because they've got involved. I mean they're Nazis. |
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As much as i love all Nazi's to die off tomorrow it isn't going to happen and we need to shine a very bright light on them and confront them in debate as that's where they fail completely and show themselves in their true light of hatred, ignorance and bigotry. This whole statue debacle has allowed them to garner support they otherwise would never have gotten even though it might be small that's how it always starts we need to starve them of any hint of legitimisation by being smarter not more righteous on silly issue's that only a minority have any interest in.
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They want to make people feel so isolated and ignored that they will join in their marches. |
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It's not just Statues that are now being talked about. I saw somewhere, it was suggested yesterday, perhaps in jest to blow up Mount Rushmore, because it contains faces of former Presidents and slave owners.
Today, I have seen talk about boycotting the use of $1.00, $20.00, $50.00, & $100.00 bills, as they have images of slave owners on them. $1 Washington - slave owner $2 Jefferson - slave owner $5 Lincoln - did not necessarily agree with slavery, but didn't agree that blacks were equal $10 Hamilton - slave owner $20 Jackson - slave owner $50 Grant - slave owner $100 Franklin - affiliation with slave trade. Then I saw someone else sarcastically write underneath the above: I'm here to help, I really am. What I need everyone that agrees with the destruction of historical property to do is send me all your currency so I can dispose of it for you. No need to carry these evil people in your pocket that cause your life so much trauma and tears. Don't be a hypocrite, send me the money. It's evil!!!! -Thank you and your [sic] welcome!!!! |
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This is Donald Trump again with this comparison of George Washington to Robert Lee which is nonsense. Quote:
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I don't even care that much about a statue because I've never see it or have to live near it but I am frustrated by people's unwillingness to understand why honouring confederate leaders and symbols upsets people. |
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