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Arthurgray50@blu

21-11-2014 14:47

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I was abused as a kid, and it went on for five years. But these depraved monsters, who prey on kids do it in a manner that the kids don't know.

In my day it was trips out on boats, cinema, plenty of sweets and sometime clothes. And bang, they are in there. What did the police and parents do in my day - NOTHING.

Nowadays, these sickos, prey on kids in a different manner - Alcohol, games, fags, drugs and clothes. Then bingo.

There are not enough personnel to deal with the problem, and sad to say with all the cutbacks, social services and local authorities cannot handle it.

Its like the Saville sickness, you get a top person nicked, then another, and now we have it in the Houses of Parliament.

I applaud the guy who has given the names to police. about abuse. He is a very brave guy.

It took me 25 years before l told anyone.

nashville

21-11-2014 15:26

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There is so much of it going on & we applaud all the people who are coming forward. Thanks for sharing, It could not have been easy for you.

heero_yuy

04-02-2015 13:23

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Originally Posted by Heero Yuy

They have to find someone who is not connected with the UK establishment, is competent in the fields required and has the approval of the victims groups.

I still think they should look abroad to commonwealth countries, say Canada or Australia for candidates that are familiar with the English law and child protection.

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Theresa May has named New Zealand high court judge Justice Lowell Goddard as the latest chair of the troubled child abuse inquiry following the resignations of two previous holders of the post.

The Home Secretary said the judge had previously carried out a child abuse inquiry in her native country, and was a member of a United Nations panel which aims to prevent torture.

"She is an outstanding candidate with experience in challenging authority in this field, having led with distinction an inquiry into police handling of child abuse cases in New Zealand," Mrs May said.

Linky

Finally someone's used their common sense and got away from the UK establishment. Looks like a good choice from what I can see.

Osem	04-02-2015 13:42

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What's the betting the media are having a good old root around Justice Goddard's past and connections at this very moment, just to see if they can drag up anything in the slightest bit contentious.

heero_yuy

04-02-2015 13:46

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35757224)

What's the betting the media are having a good old root around Justice's Goddard's past and connections at this very moment?

If you set out to find witches then you usually do.:( At least this judge is well away from the UK and has a track record of running abuse enquireys.

Russ	04-02-2015 14:00

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I have a feeling some very powerful and influential (and most importantly, still alive) people are caught up in this so I'm sure they go digging deep for dirt. If she genuinely is clean and not in anybody's pocket I reckon many a sphincter muscle will be chomping right now :)

Osem	16-04-2015 07:53

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The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) will later announce whether Labour peer Lord Janner will be charged with child sexual abuse offences.

The Times is reporting the prosecution will not go ahead because the CPS has decided it would not be in the public interest.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-32329924

Now why wouldn't that be a surprise?

Osem	16-04-2015 11:40

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Well there we are:

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Labour peer Lord Janner will not face child sex abuse charges, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) has said.

The severity of 86-year-old Greville Janner's dementia meant he was not fit to take part in court proceedings, the director of public prosecutions said.

The allegations related to residents in Leicestershire children's homes between 1970 and the 1980s. Lord Janner told MPs he was innocent in 1991.

I wonder if any civil actions will follow.

MalteseFalcon

16-04-2015 11:51

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Sucks, but can understand because of the dementia.

Osem	16-04-2015 12:02

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Had these matters been investigated properly and things been moved along more swiftly, less of those accused would have died, developed medical conditions or whatever. As it stands, we're probably never going to get to the bottom of who was involved. Now's the time for those police officers who were silenced to be allowed to come forward and give evidence freely.

TheDaddy

20-04-2015 07:33

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35771970)

Sucks, but can understand because of the dementia.

Why hasn't he stood down as a Lord if he's so ill. Reeks and is disgusting imo

Osem	26-04-2015 14:55

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I'm so hoping we haven't heard the end of this matter.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...se-lawyer-says

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The mental capacity of Lord Janner, who will not face child abuse charges because he has dementia, could still be examined by third-party expert witnesses, according to a lawyer representing several of his alleged victims.

The move would be initiated as part of a series of civil claims being brought by alleged victims of the Labour peer who have been left distraught by the news that he will not face trial...

...However, any claims they make for compensation face a further obstacle. The peer reportedly transferred ownership of his £2m home to his children in March 2014 – the same month that police raided his Westminster office.

Scorer said this would not deter claimants. “If the transfer has happened in the last five years and was done with the intent to deprive potential creditors, there may be ways around this. The question I would ask is: if he actually has dementia, on what basis does he have the capacity to transfer ownership of assets? That is something we will need to explore. On the face of it, the two don’t sit easily together. There appears to be a contradiction between saying on the one hand that ‘he has dementia’ and on the other that he has been able to effect a transfer of assets. If there’s evidence that the transaction has been done to avoid potential creditors that is something we could challenge.”

I can understand why a whole lot of powerful people might prefer a trial not to happen and I hope the decision made by the CPS is overturned in the public interest.

Arthurgray50@blu

26-04-2015 20:35

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I think that something stinks in this matter. Why should Janner get away with it, yes, he may have Dementia. But this develops over years, and if he was competent over the past year to sign away his fortune to prevent compensation being paid out.

Then he is competent enough to be prosecuted.

This again is high ranking people people sticking in the oar in to protect them, and probably making the story even biggr Like Thatcher did - it has stated thst she knew it was happening, but did nothing.

Kids need protecting, and this is just snobberish people getting involved

Osem	29-04-2015 12:38

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Lawyers representing a group of people who claim they were sexually abused by the former Labour MP Lord Janner say they are to seek a review of the decision not to prosecute him...

... Another firm, Quality Solicitors Abney Garsden, which is representing three clients in a civil child abuse claim against Lord Janner, has written to Ms Saunders.

Peter Garsden, a leading child abuse lawyer at the firm, said he wants Ms Saunders to clarify the reasons for her decision by disclosing reports which supported it.

He has also requested documents relating to historical investigations relating to Lord Janner, including an investigation into several children's homes in Leicestershire during the 1990s.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32506624

---------- Post added at 12:38 ---------- Previous post was at 11:57 ----------

Breaking news:

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Goddard abuse inquiry to examine issues surrounding allegations against former Labour MP Lord Janner

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32515196

Let's hope that so much time doesn't elapse that those implicated in serious wrongdoing don't all pass away, develop the sort of medical conditions which prevent them standing trial or divest themselves of assets which might be at risk if they're found guilty.

Osem	01-05-2015 15:46

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The more I hear/read about this case the more it seems to stink.

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Lawyers representing people who allege they were abused by Greville Janner have called for “consistency and transparency” after an elderly man with dementia had his sentence for child sex crimes greatly increased by the court of appeal.

Alison Saunders, the director of public prosecutions, decided in April not to charge the 86-year-old peer Labour peer on health grounds despite saying there was enough evidence to prosecute for 22 sex offences against nine people.

She is likely to face greater pressure after Lewis Hill, 90, who was convicted of historical offences against young boys, had his sentence increased from two years suspended to five years’ imprisonment after the solicitor general said the original punishment was unduly lenient.

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/...dementia-cases

I think we all need to know just how robust the medical evidence is.

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