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Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'

Oh the fuss is just for the fun of it. it's all being done by people on the dole.

no, really. it is.

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35388256)

Oh the fuss is just for the fun of it. it's all being done by people on the dole.

no, really. it is.

No, it's all being done by SWP under cover of http://righttowork.org.uk/ :rolleyes:

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Emma Harrison, the prime minister's former family tsar who quit amid allegations of "fat cat" pay and fraud, received around Â£1.7m over two years from leasing out properties, including her family stately home, to the firm she built on the back of state-funded welfare-to-work programmes.
Records show that money was funnelled into two companies and a pension fund in which Harrison or her husband has a controlling interest.
The couple were paid Â£316,000 for allowing A4e to use their country home for board meetings and other events. Emma and James Harrison were paid another Â£1.4m for leasing out two other properties to Emma Harrison's own firm, including its Sheffield headquarters.

Thousands of pounds here, millions of pounds there.
and the tax payer moans about Â£53 for a benefit claimant.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...son-properties

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The Labour MP Margaret Hodge, chair of the Commons Public Accounts Committee, who has seen a copy of Ms Verwaerde's complaint, said it was "horrifying". Tomorrow she will call on Chris Grayling, the Employment minister, to carry out an "urgent investigation" into the state of A4e's contracts with the DWP. She will also present him with documentation outlining allegations that she has received from people describing themselves as clients of A4e or previous employees of the firm.

"I have had so many serious concerns and allegations raised with me about what now appears to systemic poor practice and fraud at A4e that I shall be calling on the minister on Monday to undertake a transparent, thorough and urgent investigation," she said. "When public money is at risk, the common-sense thing is to suspend these contracts until we can all be confident that taxpayers' money is being properly used."
She added that current Work Programme contracts were set up in a "black box" fashion and without sufficient IT systems to check contractors' claims. "The fact that we don't have systems in place to check the veracity of claims, given the history of this company, makes everything very worrying," she said. Ms Hodge plans to set out her allegations in a letter to Mr Grayling or to raise an emergency question in Parliament.

Ms Verwaerde, whose ambition is to work in the police service one day, said she feels she has been failed by the very service meant to help her. "It felt like I was being pushed into a corner," she added. "I told A4e: 'I need the terms and conditions of the job in writing, as I can't agree to do a job until I know what I'm agreeing to.' They told me this is not how business worked and I would look awkward if I asked for information in writing. They then said I could try the job out without telling the Jobcentre. I thought this was ridiculous."
Ms Verwaerde is not the only dissatisfied customer. A dossier of evidence and complaints given to Ms Hodge, details of which The Independent on Sunday has seen, include allegations of past financial fraud, in-work bullying, claims of bad treatment and accusations that the welfare-to-work company delivered poorly run services. One complaint, written by someone who describes himself as a former A4e employee and whom the IoS has agreed not to name, described A4e as "nothing short of a gravy train". He said fraud at A4e had been "systemic" and "common practice".

Fraud, scams, and fraud is rife in Britain at the moment.
and it's always tax payers money.
looks like A4e is finished then. back to normal soon :)

there we were only a few weeks ago saying how much benefit fraud is costing us. only we were looking in the wrong place, and at the wrong people :)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...l-7440966.html

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more on a4e
Now work tsar's staff probed over 'theft' of vouchers meant to buy interview suits for jobless

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1nTTuJFVp

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35388209)

I don't see that it makes any difference ,those that pull out will simply be placed in a more suitable placement untill they either complete the course or get sanctioned

it makes a difference as it could be eg. only 200 pulled out which would mean a 100% sanction rate. "on a voluntary placement".

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35388384)

more on a4e

After they close a4e down they should investigate all the others too, because it's going on at all of them. money is just there for the taking. and it's being taken.

Grayling should resign. Cameron employed Harrison when there was fraud flying around her head.
Britain is corrupt. and it's all coming from the government side.

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35388422)

Cameron has some dodgy mates .

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He went horse riding with the head of news of the world.

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where is this 50% employment figures come from are they government figures or A4E because inclined not believe a polititian or this A4E. Thatcher few moons ago said employement from YTS Scheme was good it turned out to be figment of here brain. It was very low showed abuse of the system.

I am inclined to not take these figures 50% seriously. Unless full audit by independent organisation provides numbers would not trust them.

Gary L I agree completely maybe investigations all parties and companies needed. Westminster Politics is corrupt it needs routed out.

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35388432)

He went horse riding with the head of news of the world.

Not suprising will that idiot learn.

I think he needs to be investegated something very very wrong with the circle people he is with.

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You do realise, of course, that it was a4e that notified the DWP and the police because an internal investigation uncovered that four of its staff were possibly involved in fraudulent activity?

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35388495)

You do realise, of course, that it was a4e that notified the DWP and the police because an internal investigation uncovered that four of its staff were possibly involved in fraudulent activity?

the disloyal swine's;)

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35388495)

You do realise, of course, that it was a4e that notified the DWP and the police because an internal investigation uncovered that four of its staff were possibly involved in fraudulent activity?

Damage limitation, Hugh.

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They discovered it in November 2010 and reported in within 24 hours, so pretty good foresight, then, Gary....

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They've been investigated 9 times now. which one did they grass themselves up for?

and I think 4 out of them they paid the money back and no charges were brought.
I'd have charged them instead of keep turning a blind eye everytime they gave the money back.

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How many have they been found guilty of?

(or do you believe that just by being investigated, they are guilty?)

Update - they have referred nine cases to the DWP - link

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A4e had referred a total of nine cases of possible irregularities to the Department of Work and Pensions.

The company said the DWP cleared all but but the two remaining cases of possible malpractice.