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Virgin Salesman 12-01-2009 21:26

Re: Virgin Salespeople with Criminal Records
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WHISTLED (Post 34714376)
As has been explained here and privately current UK legislation does not allow the checks you have sugggested for the business.

If you know of specific individuals either locally or nationally that VM should be concerned about there are steps available to you. I think you are aware of them though.

If you are so concerned then do something about it, make a stand.. Its not like anything will ever come back to you.

If current legislation and to quote "does not allow this" then why does Sky, British Gas, Npower and most utility companies do this?!

Sky for example do this (I have a friend who works for them door to door and was unable to have direct contact with customers until checks were complete) and work in the same marketplace as VM do.

What stand would you like me to take?

I have already made a call to VM before Xmas but as yet no resopnse?

This is getting frustrating now - almost 2000 views of this thread but still no action from VM despite views from management with VM !? :mad:

homealone 12-01-2009 21:29

Re: Virgin Salespeople with Criminal Records
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Virgin Salesman (Post 34714408)
If current legislation and to quote "does not allow this" then why does Sky, British Gas, Npower and most utility companies do this?!

Sky for example do this (I have a friend who works for them door to door and was unable to have direct contact with customers until checks were complete) and work in the same marketplace as VM do.

What stand would you like me to take?

I have already made a call to VM before Xmas but as yet no resopnse?

This is getting frustrating now - almost 2000 views of this thread but still no action from VM despite views from management with VM !? :mad:


??? this is an independent forum, you will get no direct action from VM here :confused:

Virgin Salesman 12-01-2009 21:43

Re: Virgin Salespeople with Criminal Records
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by homealone (Post 34714409)
??? this is an independent forum, you will get no direct action from VM here :confused:


Even if some of the thead viewers work within VM Security and Compliance?;)

homealone 12-01-2009 21:51

Re: Virgin Salespeople with Criminal Records
 
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Originally Posted by Virgin Salesman (Post 34714413)
Even if some of the thead viewers work within VM Security and Compliance?;)

no - I know of VM staff who have been 'warned off' offering to help directly with stuff as mundane as connection problems via this forum - I can't imagine security/compliance issues would be any different.

Virgin Salesman 12-01-2009 21:59

Re: Virgin Salespeople with Criminal Records
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by homealone (Post 34714416)
no - I know of VM staff who have been 'warned off' offering to help directly with stuff as mundane as connection problems via this forum - I can't imagine security/compliance issues would be any different.

They are aware (I have PM proof) that is enough!:)

homealone 12-01-2009 22:09

Re: Virgin Salespeople with Criminal Records
 
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Originally Posted by Virgin Salesman (Post 34714424)
They are aware (I have PM proof) that is enough!:)

In the context of this forum I'm not sure how that helps, but so long as you are happy ???

rogerdraig 12-01-2009 22:38

Re: Virgin Salespeople with Criminal Records
 
do you have any links for these companies where they state they need a CRB to employ people in sales ?

i find no mention of it at thier sites

i can just about see why a British gas engineer may need one as they can demand access to property to make safe an installation even if no adult was home though that must be a rare ocurance

Virgin Salesman 12-01-2009 23:13

Re: Virgin Salespeople with Criminal Records
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rogermevans (Post 34714464)
do you have any links for these companies where they state they need a CRB to employ people in sales ?

i find no mention of it at thier sites

i can just about see why a British gas engineer may need one as they can demand access to property to make safe an installation even if no adult was home though that must be a rare ocurance


i am not sure it would be something they advertise/mention on their site/s??!!:confused:

Can't ever see how the british gas engineer would want bank details? VM salespeople encounter this daily??!! And your point is??

rogerdraig 12-01-2009 23:30

Re: Virgin Salespeople with Criminal Records
 
they have to say if they require one and why thats why they need to state which type ( enhanced or standard or possibly basic in Scotland only ) and why they are going to get one done

you cant now get one done to carry around unless you are agency staff and the agency is then taking on as an umbrella organisation the responsibility to say you are safe

i still fail to see where any of those organisations would justify even a standard check on employees

( you read through the site and see if you can show me one section that would allow it )

i have had to deal with all that red tape since i took on this vollenteer position and know it quite well i think

if you really think every one dealling with the public where they posibly may pay for something needs to be checked its not virgin you need to be moaning at but the goverment

though you better have something better than the current CRB system in mind as it is highly flawed now as far as i am concerened as even on an advanced check you no longer need any refferies




by the way my spell check is ofline again sigh so people will have to put up with my real spelling for a bit lol

Virgin Salesman 12-01-2009 23:52

Re: Virgin Salespeople with Criminal Records
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rogermevans (Post 34714497)
they have to say if they require one and why thats why they need to state which type ( enhanced or standard or possibly basic in Scotland only ) and why they are going to get one done

you cant now get one done to carry around unless you are agency staff and the agency is then taking on as an umbrella organisation the responsibility to say you are safe

i still fail to see where any of those organisations would justify even a standard check on employees

( you read through the site and see if you can show me one section that would allow it )

i have had to deal with all that red tape since i took on this vollenteer position and know it quite well i think

if you really think every one dealling with the public where they posibly may pay for something needs to be checked its not virgin you need to be moaning at but the goverment

though you better have something better than the current CRB system in mind as it is highly flawed now as far as i am concerened as even on an advanced check you no longer need any refferies




by the way my spell check is ofline again sigh so people will have to put up with my real spelling for a bit lol



BULLS++T they only have to mention later in the application!!:confused:
FACT - SKY and Utilities and check - VM dont!!!!

I have just looked at the Brit Gas, Sky and Npower websites - no mention -does not mean no check???

Give it a break now? VM customers are exposed to potential "unspent" convicts - FACT! :td:

Stuart 13-01-2009 00:11

Re: Virgin Salespeople with Criminal Records
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Virgin Salesman (Post 34714424)
They are aware (I have PM proof) that is enough!:)

A pm may not necessarily be proof.

---------- Post added at 00:11 ---------- Previous post was at 00:07 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogermevans (Post 34714464)
i can just about see why a British gas engineer may need one as they can demand access to property to make safe an installation even if no adult was home though that must be a rare ocurance

The utilities (all of them) may require them as their engineers may need to enter a property whether an adult is present or not, to make the installer safe.

Virgin Salesman 13-01-2009 00:14

Re: Virgin Salespeople with Criminal Records
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34714519)
A pm may not necessarily be proof.

Within PM's (which I can't publish) sent to me it is obvious (due to knowledge of process) they work for VM - Even confirming which dept.

Stuart 13-01-2009 00:25

Re: Virgin Salespeople with Criminal Records
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Virgin Salesman (Post 34714523)
Within PM's (which I can't publish) sent to me it is obvious (due to knowledge of process) they work for VM - Even confirming which dept.

I wasn't asking you to publish them.. In fact, doing so without the permission of the author would be against the site Terms and Conditions.

Virgin Salesman 13-01-2009 00:29

Re: Virgin Salespeople with Criminal Records
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34714531)
I wasn't asking you to publish them.. In fact, doing so without the permission of the author would be against the site Terms and Conditions.

So in what/which way can I not be sure?

Stuart 13-01-2009 00:34

Re: Virgin Salespeople with Criminal Records
 
People can (and some do) lie in PMs.

Not saying that anyone has lied in PM to you (I could not check even if I wanted to) but we do have people coming on here claiming to be VM Staff and asking for members personal details without us actually being able to confirm they are (we have our own method of doing this which I am not at liberty to discuss).


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