Re: Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?
 

I don't think we know enough about any supposed 'subspecies' to be sure.

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Thats an odd statement.....Why do you think the world is in decay? ....and what do you mean by decay? :confused:

Re: Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?
 

Mongoloids, caucasoids, negroids.
Human evolution into sub species or groups or races if you prefer.
If humans were created in god's image, and humans didn't evolve, then which image of humans is the same as god's?
Is god caucasoid (well he did say "I am" rather than "I is" it's that damn ancient joke again!) or negroid, or mongoloid?
If we all came from one pair of humans, and haven't evolved, then why are there different groups of humans?

Re: Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?
 

Well, Not proven wrong but unlikely. Also the Dinosaurs are much older than man. There is little dispute about that?

Sorry, I didnt find it opressive. I think that religion itself is fine but the bible seems to be what causes some conflict with science. Or maybe as you say not understanding it properly from both sides. The Koran is an example of where people misunderstand it (on both sides).


No, The other way around. If there was a god then anything that science proved would be a result of that god. I.E Evolution happens but it was god intention

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Don't you think that the bible was written to be interpreted by people thousands of years ago, who would perhaps struggle with complex scientific ideas and the such, maybe that is why it is so literal

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What do you mean by closed-book? Do you mean that the concept of nothing beyond science?

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Plus if god told us everything science wouldn't exist since everything about the universe was known.

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Read Genesis. It won't bite.

By 'in God's image' I don't an actual image - I take that to mean humanoid.

There is little dispute that we don't know the age of T Rex and his mates. We only have guesswork to go on.

We're in agreement there :D

Ignorance (diliberate or otherwise) is one of the main reasons for that conflict.

I'm fine with that - but some people seem to think that God is subject to the same physical laws as us.

Back in the day, very few people knew how to read, so a lot was written in a way people would understand. Couple that with my earlier suggestion that God only included what we needed to know.

Yes, the notion that if science can't explain it then it doesn't exist. I can see where that comes from but I'm happy to look a little further.

Re: Creationism vs Evolution, Equal?
 

So you are basing your assumption that the world is decaying on your belief in the myth that Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit? That before they did that, the world was perfect and not in decay?

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No, I'm basing my belief on the fact that Adam and Eve rebelled against God. And yes, as part of the result the world fell in to decay.

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Without being too pedantic, in his day Newton made a list of things science couldn't explain yet, but no one would dispute the existance of them. I'm trying to find it.

Science is the practice of explain things that exist, in the case of god and miracles its the deciding if they exist or not which is the problem.

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Oh I agree, but in many corners it seems science (and those who side with it) is of the opinion that unless you can see it, touch it, taste it or feel it then it isn't real. I can see the logic behind that but it's placing human restriction on powers which are above us.

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Again without being too pendantic, scientists generally define something that exists as something that is observable or has an observable effect. Philosophically you can't disproof the existance of something that doesn't match this criteria. So in that respect we agree.

The common atheist arugment is you could use the arguement for the existance of god for virtually anything (the flying spagetti monster etc.). So its mainly for the sake of sanity and consistancy that they refuse to believe in god. Plus if something does exist and has no observable effects does it really matter if it exists or not?

But in your last sentence you are assuming that there are powers that are above us.

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Not until people start demanding proof of what I believe in.

Yes and I think very few people would claim they don't exist.

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What makes you say that it's a fact.....It's never been proven?

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We lets start with the myth of Adam and Eve then....

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Well I would certainly say there are powers beyond us at the moment. The iphone has yet to be released, Q.E.D

I can offer no evidence what we are capable of in the future and, if anything, beyond that exists.