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Travelling into or out of a Tier 4 area was still banned for those purposes. It was the "Stay at Home" bit that had the exemptions within a Tier 4 area.

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The exemption was between tiers but you would have to adhere to the rules of whichever was the strongest tier:

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-b1777473.html

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Starmer seems to be speed running attempting to lose the next election: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...chagos-islands

£18bn to give up islands we already own? I don't think this deal at all.

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Looks like a £9bn pa lease which the UK wants to stay fixed but the Mauritians want to rise with inflation.

Are there comparable deals to benchmark this one to?

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Where a country gives up land they already own and pays billions to do so? Doubt it.

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Some would say that would be like rejoining the EU ;)

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See countries that have just lost a war.

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Ok but we haven't lost a war to Mauritius.

I want to understand the reasoning behind it from their perspective after all the talks started under the Tories so even they had some cause to think it needed to be done.

Was it because the UN said so? Well, who cares? It wasn't binding and nothing from the UN is ever that binding because what are they going to do about it? All I can think is that they're worried China will somehow take over, but there is already a US base there.

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I have heard it's because it is what international human rights lawyers that are obsessed with decolonisation think is a good outcome.

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"Many people say…"

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It's something to do with the legality of the base, which is why the Tories started it as well, but what could that be? UN says it's not legal? So what? Good luck trying to invade it and take it back.

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So is that the new rules-based order, ignore the UN and just do what you want? History tells us that has not worked out well in the past

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Your name is Donald Trump and I claim my $!0! :D

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If the UN told us to give the Falklands to Argentina we wouldn't do it.

Besides giving 'back' the Chagos Islands is one thing. Spending billions is nuts when we're not being compelled to do so. If keeping the American base is so important to us that we're willing to fork over £9-18bn then why abide by a decision that isn't apparently binding?

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:)

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The UN is ignored all the time. Such is politics.

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Would be interesting to know what our obligation to the US is. If we decide to cede the colony, surely our obligation to housing a US base there ends and it's up to the US to negotiate with the new owners of the island? And pay for it too.

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Or just say sod you we're keeping it

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Am I the only one who's never previously heard of these Islands?

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I had heard of them because the base being there was been an issue for a while, but it's obviously become a much bigger deal since.

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This ^^^^^^. 100%

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We couldn't give them back to Argentina as Argentina did not own them in the first place. ;)

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Can any one really own a island? Invade, overrun perhaps. To be fair what the heck Is the real difference between them being British and the USA taking Greenland perhaps Russia should claim the isle of Wight

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The Chagos have never really belonged to Mauritius. The only connection is that they were both once "owned" by France.
Seychelles, Maldives, Sri Lanka, and India are all nearer than Mauritius.

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He didn’t say give them “back”, he just said “give them”.

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More woes for Labour.

Health minister Andrew Gwynne sacked over messages

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y7zperkelo

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What an idiot!
The last thing Starmer needs right now.

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Bet you there is more to come out on this, i wonder what else was said in that group.

EDIT

Seems i was right

https://news.sky.com/story/minister-...andal-13305918

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The only consolation in this sorry affair is that Starmer acted quickly and decisively unlike some of his predecessors who placed loyalty before justice. However, if this is proved otherwise, it could be quite problematical.

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For anyone who wants to know what he actually said …

https://order-order.com/2025/02/08/h...sapp-messages/

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Starmer will wait now to see if the MOS releases the names of others in that group that may or may not be complicit. If he knows what is in that WhatsApp group and who is out of order then he should stand up and sack them, however he is weak and will not do that for fear of what his party will do to him.

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I'm not surprised by this latest crisis, it's well known they hate the elderly and are the go to party for antisemitism.

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"Many people say"…

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As much as don’t like him, or what he said.

It was a private WhatsApp group. I think the person who leaked it is even lower and slimier than him.

A warning to any politician in a WhatsApp group.

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What absolute tosh! Suspect you're tory or BNP (sorry I mean Reform party supporters. I always mix them up)

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What about the answer he sent to the lady .clearly he is void of any sort of care. Moreover surely any decent person on that group should have reported him. How many of them are in people office :confused: vote labour you know they care about you:dunce:

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Easy done....

Don't want to be one of those whatabout types and this guys clearly unfit for office but seriously, it's like the last 14 years never happened :spin:

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He didn't reply to the lady, as the original letter wasn't to him.

Still shouldn't have that sort of opinion of those that didn't vote Labour or don't agree with certain policies. No doubt many Labour voters also have concerns about bin collections.
Link

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He didnt send any answer to the public, these are replies he suggested in a private group.

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Second MP caught out now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1lv1gqgmdzo

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He regrets it now he's been exposed

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You have to wonder what else is said in these WhatsApp groups amongst all MPs. The rule of thumb is to think that anything you say in an e-mail or WhatsApp group will be leaked.

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if you put that stuff in a work E mail you would be sacked

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He regrets being caught!

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If he put those comments in an email to Trump, he would probably be given a job! :D

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Reread it in fact didn't read article just the answer :monkey:

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Labour suspends 11 councillors over WhatsApp scandal

The Labour Party has suspended 11 of its councillors over their membership of a WhatsApp group that led to a minister being sacked from the frontbench.

It is understood most of the councillors are part of Tameside Council while two are members of Stockport Council.

The move comes after the party sacked health minister Andrew Gwynne - whose wife Alison is now understood to have also been suspended - over messages he reportedly posted in the group.

Mr Gwynne's sacking was followed by the party suspending Burnley MP Oliver Ryan for comments made in the WhatsApp group.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-su...andal-13307367

Labour claiming it acted immediately this was reported ,but sources claim this was known about over a year ago
Labour was told about ‘vile’ WhatsApp group more than a year ago, says councillor
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-ex-councillor

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I guess they can work out the grass as they'll be the only one not sacked!

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I believe some have already resigned

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Won't they also need to be dismissed for joining the group? I mean you've got to be squeaky clean.

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But….evil Tories…..

So much better that kind benevolent Labour are in charge now.

And he was proven to be kind, as he wished a pensioner to die, which is Labour core policy either through Hypothermia or state sponsored suicide. You don’t generosity like that right of centre!

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They each deserved to be suspended.

But remember, all politicians are corrupt.

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It's not a core or uncore Labour policy. They just means tested the winter fuel allowance. And there's no state-sponsored suicide either.

Labour doesn't need these invented crimes to look bad. It's doing this quite nicely with the WhatsApp messages. ;)

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There's some good eggs out there. The faults of those suspended cannot be diminished by tarring every politician with the same brush.

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Dammit I wish I’d thought of that response on here between 2010 and 2024.

I actually know a Tory MP, Miriam Davies. She resigned her position due to Boris’ bullshitting so she’s one of that very rare breed, a Conservative MP with morals and standards. Of course, I knew her before she got in to politics (we worked together at the radio station), she was very nice back then and she’s lovely now as long as politics is not discussed. She is indeed a good egg, surrounded by a pile of rotten festering ones.

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Kier Starmer’s Labour have made it very evident that they only care for those that vote for them.

Farmers, OAPs, businesses, schools ……….bad


Pakistani heritage paedophile rape gangs ………good.

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Given the number of seats around Birmingham and northwest England where Labour relies on a Muslim block-vote, you can see their problem.

They lost a voting block (ex-heavy industry working class) in central Scotland 10 years ago, which exposed how horribly reliant they are on client groups for their support.

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Same with the last Govt.

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I'm depressed every time I hear or read the news.There's no good news anywhere. :(

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I'm sure Denphone is ecstatic given Plymouth's unexpected win over Liverpool. There's a few bits of good news out there if you look carefully.

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I suspect there may have been a few mixed feelings over that one, a bit like my thoughts on Starmers record so far.

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Starmer runs away from farmers

Keir Starmer runs scared as he abandons visit due to furious farmers' protest
Sir Keir Starmer has abandoned a visit to Buckinghamshire due to a noisy tractor protest

What a gutless wonder this man is

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...uckinghamshire

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If they are liable for arrest then he's done the right thing. If however it's a peaceful protest then like those experienced by King Charles his entourage should block, shield him from said protest.

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He’ll be hiding in a fridge next…

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https://www.thetimes.com/article/8c5...8c2a2961e73243

https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2...sT6w/giphy.gif

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Rachael from the Halifax updates her cv again

The latest edit is the second by the Chancellor since entering government last year. She previously admitted to working in Halifax's customer relations department, not the retail banking unit as she initially claimed.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-investigation

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How many more times can she lie and not be sacked. Talk about double standards :monkey:

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The article also refers to her expenses whilst at HBOS.

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Well she has just mislaid £22,000,000,000 which she claims fell into a black hole, so I'm not surprised she's not too good with finances, she's bloody good at creative writing thou

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The jury's out on the latter, there were accusations of plagiarism about the book she wrote!;)

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I was referring to her CV;)

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1970s sitcoms are the answer Maggie. Whatever you do, avoid the news channels....

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Starmer will ditch her, eventually.

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Agreed.

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After how much damage to the economy :(

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Slightly less than the other anti-business lot but not a hard achievement.

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Are we suggesting MPs who get caught lying on their CVs should get ditched?

Guess that means Tice will be down the jobcentre in the next few days…

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2698292.html

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No idea who he is, but it looks like the share price mentioned more than doubled, rather than more than trippled (as claimed).

Even if you take the figures quoted by "a spokesperson" (to defend him) - 47.5p to 141p is not more than trippled, in fact its not quite even trippled.

Maths is clearly not their strongpoint either. :rolleyes:

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At least he made money Rachael from the Halifax hasn't

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2.97 times is not that far off is it? Anyway the share price rose above 150 by the end of that year, so that IS more than 3 times.
Claiming you were an economist, when you weren't, and claiming to have worked for 10 years when it was 5 and a half with one year studying, are on another level.

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I think our Rachel has got up a few right wing noses since she made them pay a little more for private schools, and targeted fuel payments to those that actually need it. They might have had to downsize their cruises and skiing trips this year...

She probably walks on the cracks in the pavements too. Got to be a witch, burn her !

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BTW it's Maggy..;)

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My apologies Maggy :)

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I just wish there was a way for the liars in the Houses of Parliament to actually be taken to court and punished by the law.

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‘A little more’?

You really have no idea, do you, Mr K?

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£200 isn't going to help much with anyone's fuel bill. But giving it to everyone regardless of wealth was daft. Even Paul McCartney and Elton John got it. Where to draw the line is the question, receiving pension credit seemed the only practical way to target it to those most at need. It we had the money by all means give it to to all but we dont as a result of the last 14 years. Where else to get the money from? The NHS? education?

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That would be all of them then! And come to think of it everyone in the land

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Indeed. Many of them are down to their last butler.

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I was talking about your reference to private schools, not the fuel allowance.

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Its not "more than tripled", nor did he work for them at the end of the year.
The claim was false, and the supposed defence of it incorrect as well, as is yours.

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Any impact will tend to carry on afterwards. I doubt he remembered the share price for each and every day, and so could possibly have remembered the share price from later that year. The figures in the post state 2.97 times, so that is not far off 3 times. The article doesn't say "more than".
Still nowhere near comparable to Reeves, Rayner, and Starmer, amongst others. Eg 10 is nowhere near 5 and a half or four and a half. Clothes are not miscellaneous office supplies.

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If you claim to have tripled a price then the very least you do is check first, not rely on memory. The defender checked, and still got it wrong.

You're right, it doesnt say "more than", my mistake.
However, thats beside the point - 2.97 is not 3.00 which was the claim. Almost tripled would have been correct.

Again, not the point. I never said they were comparable (nor do I think they are).

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The post by Russ made the direct comparison. It was given as a comparable situation.

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How is that relevant to the accuracy of the claim ?
It was incorrect, twice. I dont really know why you keep trying to argue otherwise.
I presume the fact you have tried to redirect the subject means you now concede it was inaccurate.

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I am sure there are a few pensioners would volunteer to light the fire. If not i would offer my services :)

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The twelve lies of reevesmas

Reeves has “misspoke”[lied] about everything from her tax plans to her days as a dazzling child chess prodigy, and they’re unravelling, one by one. So here goes.

https://www.express.co.uk/finance/pe...es-destroy-her

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All politicians lie remember.

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:tu:

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So you keep saying.

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Think he's just reminding people of the bs we all had to endure for 14 years ;)

Now it's the other side doing it (to a far, far lesser degree) of course it's different and it's like those 14 years never happened.

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Bingo!

Someone gets it :tu:

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More WhatsApp woes for (Ex) Labour MP.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj4ndry4k54o

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Former Labour MP Mike Amesbury gets 10 weeks in the slammer for :bsmack:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2rnp29p7xt