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Apparently 95% according to most reports.

Tactically it doesn't add up and seems to bolster Putin's opinion that it would be a walkover.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_Ukraine

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Well this is the grey area isn’t it.

If Ukraine has nuclear weapons, they’re not getting invaded. They are persuaded by three other nuclear powers to give up their nuclear weapons on condition that they will not be threatened with nuclear weapons.

Now they are invaded by a nuclear power, although not directly threatened with the use of nuclear weapons, but now we’re into semantics.

At the very least the U.K. and US should have gone to the UN ( which in itself is crazy because one of the permanent members of the security council is the aggressor)

What ever way you slice it, Ukraine has been betrayed for giving up its nuclear weapons.

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I’d rather not be in a position to see Putin in a no win situation.

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I was listening to a podcast a few weeks ago about Ukraine and they pointed out that it was unlikely Ukraine would have wanted to keep the nukes for long. They didn't have the capability to secure them and make them fully functional nor a nuclear program to renew them at the end of life which they would have to have done as no one would supply them.

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They did - Russia vetoed it…

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/02/1112802

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Russian dissent grows with their own leader, as of yesterday, 4,631 Russians were arrested in 64 cities for opposing Putin’s war. Russian charity OVD calculates 13,028 Russians have now been arrested since start of invasion 12 days ago. - Alex Thomson, Channel 4 News.

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https://twitter.com/afp/status/1500943110477647872?s=21

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1646691885

No need to send them if they’re already there…

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Hence my continuing text in brackets.

This now means that the Security council is defunct. The UN Security Council is no longer fit for purpose. This will have much larger ramifications.

The UN needs to sort itself out, as a permanent member of the security council invoking a veto when it is the aggressor noted:

Norways UN Ambassador.

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Morgan Stanley predicts Venezuela-style default in Russia by mid-spring.

Investors have already valued the country’s 2023 bonds at about 29 cents on the U.S. dollar, the lowest figure in history according to data collected by Bloomberg.

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Not sure what to make of these protests. Are these the more liberal-minded people of Russia and in a minority? Students, academics and so on? Or is this reflective of a deeper feeling within Russia? The majority of protests have been in Moscow and Saint Petersburg which are the more liberal cities anyway although they probably contain people with more influence as well.

I am worried we're seeing what we want to see.

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That is where he is now though.

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No he isn’t, he has nuclear weapons.

I mean yes if he uses them he doesn’t win, no one does. But don’t push him into a position where he may consider that option.

Don’t play chicken with someone that cause the end of civilisation. Especially when they’re not dealing with a full deck.

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Then where/when does it stop?

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No one is pushing him anywhere, he's done it all by himself by miscalculating what the respons of the Ukranians and the west would be.

He thought the Ukrainian army would just surrender and lay down their arms, that didn't work out well. They allowed the advance and then stopped the logistic supply of those troops. Not that Russian paratroops are actual frontline fighting units anyway, certainly not in the way ours or the US ones are, they are more glorified policemen.

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I’ve repeated it several times in just the last few hours……..(and several days ago I might add)

He is either replaced (unlikely)

Or there is a negotiated settlement between Ukraine and Russia, along the lines of the terms (unknown if that is fake or not) recently posted or something resembling them.

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Him not coming out of this looking like he has won…….is pushing him.

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We've also seen a pro-Russia demonstration in Serbia, a Russian gymnast with a letter Z on his clothing and children with terminal illnesses in Russia form a letter Z. Although I acknowledge the last one may have been staged, the above events are doubtless what would be in and on official Russian media.

Hard to tell how representative such actions are without any independent polling.

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Maybe Ukraine don't want him to come out of this llooking like a winner, maybe they want him to come out of this looking like a loser. And would you blame them? I wouldn't.

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The logical conclusion of this approach is to hand over the keys of No.10 and the White House to Putin.

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From Bloomberg.com:

So has hacking effectively been legalised (as long as it's against Russia)? Sounds fair enough to me considering some of the nasty things that they've done.

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Exactly. If he succeeded in gaining back former Russian countries, I think it's inevitable that the invading will continue.

It gets me so mad when people have said to me that it's not our problem and we should keep out of it. Even our Government with it's Russian 'donations' realises this.

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Re: Claim that Russia is to disconnect itself from the internet. I've been given this information:

'Just search ‘Russia Internet Disconnect’ on Twitter. However the information minister denied it today (which probably means it will happen!).

Russia has been planning RuNet for some time.'

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runet

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Well, the Ukrainians are not going to back down as this speech shows.

Pres. Zelenskyy's March 7, 2022 evening address.(with subtitles)

https://twitter.com/JPaulKirby/statu...75803529637890

They are in for the long haul.

Richard, Twitter is not the font of true information all the time, perhaps have a read of this.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/03/07/russi...h-11-16230918/

There is also this to consider, admittedly only an opinion piece but I think it deserves merit.

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I do wonder if he will give the UK a bit of dressing down over its lower number of sanctions and visas for Ukranians?
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...nough-12559880

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1646730888

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That very nice graph can be read an alternative way . . .

Notice it says "far fewer new sanctions" . . which may indicate the UK did most of the sanctions available to start with, whereas other countries held back and introduced them slowly.

Still, it's a nice graph to knock the UK Government with again Andrew, well done ;)

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Nah, he'll be thanking us for the NLAW rocket launchers and other military aid we've provided.

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Always putting our country down. Sure more humanitarian efforts are needed, but let’s not forget about geographical locations too.

Zelenskyy will not give the UK a dressing down. The UK has done more in the beginning, started giving weapons to Ukraine. Which country in the EU dragged its feet banning Russia from Swift?

Which country can’t stop receiving gas from Russia?

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Latest UK Intel:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1646734135

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I absolutely agree with you on Germany and they need to wean themselves off Russian energy resources asap.

In my post, I'm simply pointing out what Zelensky might say to Parliament. Quite rightly, you acknowledge that the UK should take in more refugees from Ukraine and I don't call that putting our country down.

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The Russian embassy in London tried to justify the Ukrainian invasion on twitter.
Here's the Ukrainian reply (not a tweet but possibly at the UN). Priceless!

https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/s...77580496855041

On another note, there is this street outside the Russian embassy in the US.(it may not be real but funny)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2030000.html

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1646736578

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Appeasement has a history of ending badly…

He’d probably want East Germany back in his sphere of influence, after being appeased with all the other ex-Comecon countries…

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:tu:

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I don't disagree that any Ukrainians that have family and support here, should come here, and also those that just want to come here, but it's a fact explained by many aid agencies that refugees would rather be close to their country.

So we should also be ensuring that we are supporting Poland and other closer countries taking in refugees.

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Shell sorry for buying Russian oil and to cut ties

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60661611

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They also say that living in a country where they can understand the language is important and English is the third most known language in Ukraine. (Though I I'm sure Polish must be understood closer to the western border.)

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Well we should have thought about that in 2014, shouldn't we?

If he wanted to properly start WW3 he could try but he wouldn't, for the same reasons we are not putting troops into Ukraine, or operating a no fly zone.

A negotiated peace is not necessarily "appeasement", if it stops the killing.

Or are you all for full out war to the end, keep fighting until either Russia is defeated (very unlikely)? Or the Ukraine is flattened (very likely)

Then again it's not your blood being spilt is it?

This is not 1938, the consequences for the West getting involved is the possible annihilation of the planet.

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And what’s to stop him continuing with further invasions?

If this one gets him what he wants, he’ll just continue- why stop a winning streak?

No need for the ad-hominem attacks - I haven’t said anything negative about you seeming to want him to get away with his invasion and killing of innocent civilians.

I know exactly what’s involved - I served in the middle of East Germany during the height of the Cold War.

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Someone made an interesting point in a discussion this morning in that, if Putin gets away with these invasions, absolutely nowhere is safe.

If Scotland were to gain independence, it would no longer be in NATO and would have no nuclear deterrent...

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Excellent news, though I suspect that the increased boycotting of their petrol stations had a lot to do with this.

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It seems a majority - Twitter, Farcebook, Experts etc - agree that if Putin gets away with the Ukraine invasion, then nowhere is safe.

Well we have two choices then don't we:

(A) Stay clear and see how things go

(B) Jump in and see how it goes.

actually no, we don't have a choice, because if Putin is (allegedly) going to eventually invade everywhere that was initially Russia, or places where he feels threatened by NATO, someone somewhere will decide enough is enough and WW3 will happen . . . same as if we jump in

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I agree. If something isn't sorted out soon, it's beginning to look like do we do it now or later. If only someone could get to Putin, this could be avoided.

Their new leader could (hopefully) take over with a completely different attitude. Often when two business leaders take a particular stance, disputes are only resolved when one or both are no longer in post and it's the same with politics.

Without wishing to be disparaging about this serious situation, the Sky basic channel dispute with Virgin was only resolved years after by this happening.

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BREAKING: Ukraine President Zelenskyy, will give an historical address to UK MPs in the House of Commons at 5pm today, live via video feed. He is expected to raise more demands for a no fly zone over Ukraine and additional military weapons.

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Well this one hasn't exactly gone to plan has it?

It's not a win though is it. If those demands issued were fact, they were just some one looking for way out.

His objective was to take over Ukraine depose Zelensky and install a puppet regime loyal to Russia. Those demands were much much less than that.

The only demand over what he already had was guarantees the Ukraine won't join the EU or NATO - and they can easily be accommodated and circumnavigated so as not to penalise Ukraine.

Alright, I apologise, but neither do I see the need for the war to continue to an end that could be months even years away, and the associated body count.

Well the height of the cold war would have been around Oct 25th 1962 when the two superpowers were closest to launching against each other - but I know what you mean.

If this continues, with an unhinged man with the power to launch feeling that only option to save face is to launch ...well it doesn't need explaining does it?

That's why this needs to end soon.

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If the claims are correct that Putins own Armed forces are unhappy with the situation, I wonder if there will be a military coup? Would this be any better though??

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Things actually got pretty dicey late in 1983 as well, though that’s not so widely known.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...hought/276290/

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They might come after the Falklands too!

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I'm sure that if he carries on getting away with it that Putins dream would eventually be world domination.

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If you think one man alone has the power to press a button that potentionally means mass suicide you are very much mistaken.

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Well, for very good reason, we have controls in place to prevent this. I have no idea if Russia is the same or not as, to people like Putin, power is intoxicating.

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There we’re a lot of lose calls/incidents in the 70s and 80s - they just weren’t publicised…

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Well, I'm sure Putin has definitely not surrounded himself with fanatics that will do his bidding.

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He can surround himself with as many yes men as he wants, there is still a chain of command to the missile silos far removed from his yes men.

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NYT: Biden expected to ban Russian oil imports.

U.S. President Joe Biden is expected to announce new sanctions against Russia, including the import ban, today, on March 8, the New York Times reported, citing a senior U.S. official.

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Good point, meaning that any 'controls' in place would be meaningless.

Edit: I hope to God that you're right PIP.

Putin has visited the UK several times. Apparently, back in 2003 Putin was here for a state visit and rudely kept the Queen waiting for 14 minutes.

David Blunkett was also in attendance with his guide dog. When Putin eventually arrived, Blunketts guide dog started barking very loudly for no reason. Afterwards, he went over to the Queen to apologise for the noise, to which the Queen replied "Dogs have very interesting instincts, don't they?"!

It would be great if he could pop over for another visit, there again, if anything happened to him this too could start another war. They don't seem to like their own treatment of people being done to them.

Does anyone know what happened to the opposition guy that was poisoned, who survived and returned to Russia?

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Belarus conducted phishing attacks against Ukraine, Poland.

Since Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, Ghostwriter hacking group in Belarus has tried to get credentials of Ukrainian officials and members of the Polish military, the Washington Post reported citing Google. - Kyiv Independent

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Prison i believe.

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Just been watching an article on CNN about a Ukrainian hotline that's been launched to help Russian families locate there loved ones who are in the Russian army. I suppose it's also helping spread the truth in Russia.

They're saying they've had more than 6000 calls to the Comeback From Ukraine Alive hotline. You can read more about it here

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U.S Senators seek to lock down Russia's gold reserves.

A bipartisan group of senators has introduced a bill seeking to apply secondary sanctions to U.S. entities that trade in gold in Russia, the Axios news site reported on March 8. - Kyiv Independent

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They did this quite early on. These Russian soldiers are more or less conscripts, some surrendering easily, some seen crying for their mothers. Other Russian soldiers have reportedly express dismay and that they have been duped, told they were on a training exercise, only to find they’ve been thrust in to a real war.

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U.S foreign policy heavyweights call for limited no-fly zone over Ukraine.

The group of 27 foreign policy leaders urged the U.S. to impose a limited no-fly zone over Ukraine starting with protection for humanitarian corridors, Politico reported.

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They were also told that they would be welcomed with open arms as they were freeing the Ukraine people from Nazi rule!!!

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Interesting, thanks for posting this.

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BREAKING: UK Government announces it will end dependency on Russian oil and ban it by end of this year.

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totally right thing to do

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U.S Central Intelligence Agency Director Burns: "Putin is determined to dominate and control Ukraine...He's been stewing in a combustible combination of grievance and ambition for many years...He doesn't believe Ukraine is a real country. Well, he's dead wrong about that. Real countries fight back..."

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BREAKING: U.S President Joe Biden announces from The White House that he is placing a ban on Russian energy and gas imports. He also announced that they will share burden of helping Ukrainian refugees.

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The worlds biggest producer of oil . . puts a ban on importing it from Russia.

This will also hurt America says Biden . . . not as much as electric cars will buddy :p:

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Well, considering they imported 250 million barrels of crude oil and petroleum products from Russia, pretty sure it will have a negative effect…

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Le..._NUS-NRS_1&f=M

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BREAKING: Ukraine President Zelenskyy says in an historic speech given in UK Parliament & House of Commons that he does not want to lose his country, Ukraine.

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Well now they can improve their lot by producing more home grown eh.

Incidentally . . how much do they export?

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McDonald's says it is temporarily closing 850 restaurants in Russia in response to the invasion of Ukraine

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As long as you're prepared to pay the price.
No good moaning you cannot afford to travel anymore, or heat & light your home.
I think some people need reminding the UK is not at war with Russia (nor do we want to be).

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KFC and pizza hut pulling out of Russia

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But we are in a economic war with Russia.

Putin cannot be allowed to pay for his military might using money he’s obtained from us & the West.

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Only becasue we (as in our leaders) have decided to be.

Its a bit late for that, its already paid for, and in use.

How is that helping at all ?
Its just gone completely loopy and hysterical now.

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It is having an effect on the moral of the Russian people. I was speaking to an acquaintance of mine today in Saint Petersburg and they are having a miserable time so who knows the bullet in Putins head may well happen (hopefully). As I see it if the people are not happy and the army are not happy sooner or later Generals will not be happy and then Putin is dead

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But he cannot continue to amass a huge war chest fortune. Sure, he’s already got his massive funds to make his mark, but so far it’s cost him dearly and he’s not got any major gains in Ukraine, 13 days in to this, he’s lost around a trillion roubles worth of military equipment, not that the rouble is worth much today, but wars are expensive, his funding sources are drying up, $700,000,000 per day he’s getting in oil and gas exports from the west.

Absolutely nobody wants World War III, but the next best course is to cripple Russia financially, they have to be punished in some way. The noose needs to be tightened on Putin.

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https://www.gov.pl/web/diplomacy/sta...nes-to-ukraine



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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2031024.html

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Disgraceful! These people are the UK's friends and have served us well. :mad: :td:

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The supplying of the Polish Fighter jets to Ukraine is a risky move, that could escalate this very quickly.

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Ummm, you're going to have to explain this one.
What is placing "MIG-29 jets at the disposal of the Government of the United States of America." going to achieve ?

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This has been in the works for a couple of days, Poland gives them to the US, the US then gives them to Ukraine and and gives Poland equivalent US planes.

Poland is the first but not the last Country that will be doing this.

Why only MIGs? Because the Ukraine has an Air Force that was trained with them.

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They are Russian made and likely be easier to fly than more advanced aircraft that are a tad expensive to just pass on to inexperienced hands.

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Supplying "small" arms and anti aircraft, anti tank etc stuff is one thing.
NATO supplying war planes is a different level, this seems a very bad idea.

Yes.

Again, I will remind all the hysterical war-mongers among you.
This is not our war, and Im really not sure why some of you seem keen to get involved.
Wars only tend to end one way ... badly.

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:clap: :clap: :clap:

We're slowly getting sucked in

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Like most things, it’s not that simple (difference between crude oil imports and petroleum product exports).

https://dailyenergyinsider.com/news/...ng-to-eia/?amp

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Wonder why they're doing it now, Ukraine had the 4th largest airforce in Europe and they haven't lost that many planes so such a move, now, seems odd to me, still what do I know.

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What's the risk? That Ukraine has a fighting chance? Sounds good to me! World War Three it's not.

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As yet I haven't seen one hysterical war monger here. There are never winners in wars only survivours. That is the bottom line.

Ukraine has the absolute right to defend itself from an unprevoked invasion and also the right to request help from anywhere be it small arms or other means.

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Whilst I can appreciate the parallels with 1938, this is not the same as 1938.

NATO is a defensive alliance. Supplying small arms etc is one thing, supplying jets is quite another.

Putin is not going to attack NATO but if we keep giving him a reason to……………

This is a bad idea.

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It’s only not, whilst Putin decides it’s not. If he believes NATO is attacking him ( which would be a fair conclusion if NATO are supplying Ukraine jets)

Then World War 3 it could easily become.

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There may not be very many survivors from the next world war.

What was it Arthur C Clarke or Carl Sagan said. Something like. I don’t know what what weapons will be used in WW3, but the next war after that will be fought with sticks and stones.

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The US would be supplying the planes, not NATO.

https://www.gov.pl/web/diplomacy/sta...nes-to-ukraine

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Same horse different jockey, like that will make a difference.

NATO country supplies planes to the biggest NATO country to give to Ukraine.

Ergo……….it’s NATO

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Einstein

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Coca-Cola latest company to suspend business operations in Russia

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History shows us isolationism ends badly as well. What happens in Europe eventually impacts us and we can't have an aggressively expansionist Russia on our doorstep and the ultimate conclusion of failing to punish them is they'll expand further.

We're not going to war with them but we are well within our rights to make it extremely costly for them to the point they can't rebuild their army effectively and to put pressure on them to rid us of Putin.

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Count Starbucks in on halting its business operations in Russia.

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Transport Secretary Grant Shapps just now:

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:tu:

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BREAKING: U.S Under Secretary of State Nuland says Poland's decision to put its Mig-29 fighter jets at disposal of the U.S was not 'pre-consulted' with Washington - The Spectator Index.

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We give the Ukraine jets, and we just might.

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Russia Suspends sale of foreign currencies until September 9th. - AFP News Agency.

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We've already given them lots of weapons. If Putin wants a pretext he'll find it. He has already told us that our sanctions were a declaration of war and that he 'won't forget the UK's part' in all this. This is a country that deployed weapons on our own soil and killed people doing so. How much more do we let slide?

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What are they going to use then, turnips? Their own currency is increasingly worthless.

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We are not in isolation, we are in NATO, which has about 30 countries, Ukraine is not one of them.

Why exactly are we within our rights ? Ukraine really is not on our doorstep, at all.
Russia cannot expand very far without bumping into, and going to war with, NATO, not quite the same prospect as taking on one country.

Supplying NATO war planes (dont fool yourself, that is what this would be) is a step to far.
Russia is already doing badly, giving them a legitimate excuse to lash out is a very bad idea.

I'm sure its all great fun in computer games, this is not a game.

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Pepsi halting it’s soft drinks business in Russia

https://www.reuters.com/business/ret...sj-2022-03-08/

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They all seem to be withdrawing business from Russia now

Much ado has been made about Coca Cola, it was reported by Sky's website an hour ago that they too have temporarily pulled out of Russia:

Apart from Ukraine, these companies may well be afraid that they won't get paid for their stock by franchisees, that stock won't sell and staff get paid for doing nothing as money gets tighter or that stores may be broken into and stock stolen as people get more desperate as the economy collapses.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sk...e-war-12560435

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They're doing badly in part because we're arming Ukraine and imposing sanctions. Putin doesn't need a legitimate excuse, he never does, he just makes it up and does what he wants. I am talking more about sanctions than giving them planes which I haven't thought a lot of about today.

There isn't any need to be patronising, I am aware this is not a game. I am just even more pessimistic than you on this, I don't think he'll stop if we let him take Ukraine without it taking a heavy cost. This needs to be the end of it or he'll keep pushing and pushing and there is only so long we can let him do that because we're at the same stage anyway.

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Small arms ( In the great scheme of things) stuff they could probably procure from anywhere.

It’s not provocative because if it didn’t come from NATO/ NATO nations, it could come from anywhere.

Jet fighters however, are not the kind of thing you just pick up on the black market from arms dealers……you can …….but maybe one or two and god knows the age /quality….but Poland has offered operational MIGs, to the US to give to the Ukraine in return for US jets.

That is not small arms and equipment, and it’s NATO, whatever way you spin it.

I don’t think it will happen, I hope it doesn’t.