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CNN projects Wisconsin for Biden, not a surprise at this point.

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it's just politics,wonder if they can drag it out for four more years.

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That absolutely what they’re going to do. Well the goal is to ensure either they win or the election is discredited.

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Arizona is being more central to the Trump picture now. Seems like it's going Biden so far but Fox News and AP might have been too quick to call it.

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...32541544927233

He has been doing this all day. The media, even Fox, seems to just be ignoring him.

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Another lawsuit to stop the count in Pennsylvania

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CNN projects Michigan.

Pennsylvania would put him over the top or two of Nevada, Arizona or Georgia.

Of course, the more he gets the harder it'll be for Trump to stop.

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Or if you take that projection and the Fox one for Arizona he needs any one other of the contiguous states.

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Can they both get to 270?

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No, there's only 538 electoral college votes.

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As you can guess, this Fox News journalist isn’t very popular with some Fox viewers.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1604527217

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Thanks, I did think that, must have got my maths wrong, seemed to me there was a lot of electorial votes remaining....

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So they can both get 269.

(and yes, there is a process to follow if neither gets the required 270).

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A tie is mathematically possible, and there’s a process for settling it. The House of Representatives chooses the president and the Senate chooses the VP.

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And this would be the current session of both houses. The new session based on yesterday’s election begins in January.

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I thought the new congress dealt with someone not getting 270?

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Here we go.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1604530699

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Can claim all he wants - there's due process and unless he can find errors in it.

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Correct. Michigan has just been called for Biden.

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So Nevada should clinch it for Biden. Either way, it's going to be fascinating to watch what happens if or when Trump lose.

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Nevada State count official says count won’t update until 13th Nov. Wtf is going on here?

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Doesn't give confidence, I'll agree there. Who on the planet genuinely thinks that there can be no clarity on who will be the next President for over a week. (Legal challenges aside).

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Corona staff shortages, extra time taken to open and process huge numbers of postal votes, plus an attitude to getting things done that Andrew Neill likened yesterday to “Britain in the 1970s.”

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Remember Arizona has only been called by two places and others still have it as close.

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Has Nevada outsourced it to Serco or something? That's ridiculous.

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Dido Harding moonlights as an election commissioner so they’ve made a conscious effort to slow down the processing of results to reduce pressure on the system.

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As long as chris whitty isn't doing the election graphs ................;)

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In Nevada, ballots being submitted by mail must be postmarked by Tuesday 3 November and received no later than Tuesday 10 November to be considered eligible.

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Next election we need to send the guys from Sunderland over to sort their stuff out for them.

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Would that have been needed if the USPS had bothered to actually deliver the mail on time!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...inary-measures

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America needs some federal intervention to improve voting procedures imo. Stop the long lines, have standardised ballot formats, allow postal votes to be counted EARLY as they did in Flordia so that you don't spend days counting them afterwards.

Probably less work for lawyers though and there is nothing more American than litigation.

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As I understand it Federal rights over States rights is a core issue for many Americans for minor things as it is, let alone for anything as big as the Presidential and Congressional elections!

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Trumps spiritual adviser is doing her best to get him re-elected.

https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/s...75651515949056

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https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/...es/6169183002/

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Yeah, It won't happen, but they treat their voters with such contempt.

Even something like keeping stations open until 10 pm so people can vote after work is fair. In the states, many of them close at 7 pm which means huge amounts of people have 1.5 - 2 hours after work to get to a station and vote. No wonder they have such long queues.

Their ballots seem to be really confusing as well. They look like betting slips. This is probably unfair since they have, at the same time, House and Senate elections as well as all manor of state-level offices to elect and even very local ones as school commissions, police commissioners, sanitation commissioners and so on.

Too much of American culture seems to hinge on the idea that legal and administrative tricks to advantage your side are fair game so long as you get away with it. I would say here there is a general sense of fair play that breaking the spirit of would cause public outcry even if it were technically legal. I think without conventions and a general moral sense of what you should do that things can unravel quickly.

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When you're brought up to believe you're the best in the world, I guess it's easy to believe however you do stuff must already be the best.

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Maybe the whole system needs limits on spending and campaigning so it's not just those who can raise the finances that can stand.

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Interesting Trump doesn't want to stop counting in any state where he's ahead... Its only fraudulent if he's lost.

Maybe he could appeal on the grounds that some black people have voted ? Worth a go.

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He's just delaying it to stay out of prison.

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If one does not accept and respect the results of a democratic vote then one ceases to become a democracy.

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Attachment 28656

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Gore contested the Bush election until December. Was that anti democratic?

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It depends what is being contested though.

Gore vs Bush was a court fight over whether a recount should be completed because votes had been missed after the main vote count had been completed and an automatic recount triggered

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore

The current disputes by Trump are about the main counts themselves to exclude votes that are known to exist.

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Distinction without difference. The specifics are different but I see no difference in the principle, they don't believe the legitimacy of the count and want verifications.

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Oh when will it end? When can I turn on the news and get some REAL news instead of stupid endless speculation?

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Of course it was as no matter what political side of ther fence one is on one has to respect the democratic vote because the moment when you do not accept that then a country cannot call itself a fully functioning democracy.

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Ultimately though if the institutions prove to hold up then Democracy in America will be fine. In the event Trump loses and still refuses to accept the result then he would still have lost the Presidency, the courts can't just overturn and election, the counts still took place, the networks still declared the winners of each state as reported irrespective of what Trump says.

Trump doesn't control the media, or the courts and can't will himself into another four years IF he loses today/tommorow.

In a way it would prove America's point in that even with someone who refuses the accept the result the institutions which protect Democracy still work.

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They will both declare victory and then we will see things play out in the courts. After that who ever wins will be considered illegitimate by the other side and then who knows what will happen.

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Well nothing wrong with recounts such as that requested in Wisconsin.

As for the rest of it there it isn't wrong to contest the result if you have legitimate reasons for doing so and without one they won't get much traction in the courts anyway.

What's more concerning is Trump declaring himself the winner and declaring evidence otherwise as fraud without evidence.

I mean he might still win, ironically because they're still counting in Arizona, so all this language will leave a bitter taste for nothing if he does legitimately win.

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You want to go back to Coronavirus? I find the change refreshing. :D

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Something we can agree on ;)

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...53932022480896

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This ^ ^

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50,000 votes to count in Georgia....

HERE Good site for updates BTW

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If Biden can flip Georgia it means it counters the threat of Trump flipping Arizona

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CNN have subbed out the daytime team for Anderson Cooper and Jon King. Clearly expecting news soon-ish. Once Wolf appears you know it's going to be it.

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The only way they can call the race this afternoon is if they expect to call Pennsylvania. Arizona isn't updating until tonight and Nevada won't be finished today either.

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US election 2020 live: Trump loses legal bid to stop count in Michigan - as Biden leads race to 270

https://news.sky.com/story/us-electi...oters-12121686

trump supporters desperate now attacking fox news

https://twitter.com/alexnazaryan/sta...99646932946948

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The Guardian reporting they took their complaints straight to Rupert himself. He told them to GTF.

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The Fox News News division (as opposed to their commentary) play it pretty straight. Trump shouldn't really be surprised.

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GTF ?

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GTF out I think ... As in please leave my office immediately.

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The Don speaking in half an hour from the White House press room.

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be nothing but lies as always

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His farewell address? :D

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Hopefully, it's just complaining rather than anything more inciting...

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If he concedes I'll concede in the Coronavirus thread, and to Old Boy on the end of linear television.

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i have been cheated what a shock NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

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:D
I'm sure it will just be a moan and to say he still thinks he'll win and to urge his supporters to keep the faith.

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Just the usual complaining I think. He won the legal votes and the other votes are illegal votes.

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MSNBC cut him off as soon as he said "illegal votes".

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This is just boring. He keeps repeating himself.

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If Biden did this multiple Twitter users would call into question his mental health.

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Sadly Sky didn't. But they did immediately have Omarosa Manigault Newman on, the former aide to Donald Trump, who noted that Trump said Democrats run Georgia. Forgetting that his Republican friend, secretary of state Brad Raffensperger, is overseeing elections there.

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Pretty disgraceful for Sky to have done so, but I suppose they want to create spectacle and it's an international broadcast. CNBC didn't cut him off worldwide, but did have Shepard Smith calling him an out and out liar at the end.

Fox put the dubious parts of his claims in quotations marks on their ticker, CNN immediately (and still) have panelists absolutely panning him.

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CNN showed it all

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Donald Trump is a complete abomination as what does he not understand about democratic democracy..

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Biden has won this.

It'd now take a monumental upset for Trump to pull this off legitimately.

Georgia is down to Trump leading by 1775 with the current trend of ballots (Mostly mail in) massively in Biden's corner. Georgia is going to flip. Biden needs 59% of the remaining ballots and is now averaging 67% AP reports 50,000 ballots estimated
Pennsylvania is down to 22,389 Trump lead from the original 900,000. Biden is collecting the share of votes at 80.9% That is inevitable. AP reports 400,000 ballots estimated, probably more
North Carolina - Biden needs 70% of the remaining Ballots to flip it and is averaging 50% around 350,000 ballots but unless the trend changes significantly it'll hold
Arizona - Called early by some, Biden leads by 47,000 and the trends are in his favour as it's expected the remaining ballots are heavily leaning to postal voting democrats.
Nevada - Trump behind by 11,400. He needs to average 54% of the remaining vote to surpass Biden, currently trending around 43%


Final result: Biden 306-232 Trump. Bar a monumental sway I'd consider this the most probable end result.

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Votes are fluctuating all over Pennsylvania, 400k remaining down to 200k remaining, lead down to 18k.

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Sadly, Donald Trump will be remembered for his approach to the vote-counting as oppose to all his great work for the country over the last four years. ;)

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Yeah it's pretty much done.

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Hold that.

Whilst unlikely, if the remaining batches in PA follow the last batch, Trump may still win that and we'll see the monumental upset I alluded to coming to haunt me (Still has a lot to do in the following states though). Arizona is still good for Biden, as is Nevada, but they're not huge leads.
That last round of counting from PA and the estimated ballots left being revised just added what is hopefully a minor twist. Biden should be up by a few hundred in GA in the next update there.

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Disregard this. There's still 275k in PA and the last batch came out at 80% Biden. It's just multiple sources have been slow to tally the real number. My previous post is still fairly accurate.

6000 were counted and Biden took 4000 votes out of Trumps lead. Somewhere, there's an orange faced chap absolutely terrified.

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Yeah and a lot of that vote is in Philadelphia.

This tracker is good: https://alex.github.io/nyt-2020-elec...e-changes.html

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Worst case appears to be 289 Biden. Declarations in PA and GA please. :D

Last tally in GA was 300 votes at 85% Biden.

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Looks like GA is gonna flip.

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/11/2.jpg

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the death of a thousand cuts. already bored of it.

Biden wins followed by court case after court case, congressional hearings blah bloody blah.

I don't know why anyone would want to be president. Anyway, President Harris will have her work cut out.

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Biden has taken the lead in Georgia.

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We'll see how much there will be. They need something to go on for there to be a lot of court drama and congressional hearings. If Biden takes Georgia, Nevada, Arizona and Pennsylvania then they also need to try and overturn at least two states.

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If Biden wins we've still got two months of Trump being an outgoing President even if there weren't court cases.

God knows what he's going to do then.

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From what i have observed there are a great many very upset heavily armed Americans out there ,wonder where that could lead.

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They were there in 2012 as well - they’re all wannabe Rambos, but with no gumption.

They’re Gravy Seals, not Navy Seals... :D

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1604658444

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These snowflakes need to load up on the Kleenex not the Kalashnikovs, get over it, and put their weapons somewhere safe where they can't misfire them.

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They have a lot more fit and healthy people with guns though, here's a little known fact -the projectile doesn't care who launches it down the barrel of a gun .

we have all seen the results of just one person with a grudge and a gun.

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Well there go our chances of re-capturing the colonies.

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I suppose we can hope that some Republican Party elders see the damage he's doing and step in to help him see sense. If his statement last night didn't make them realise Donald and reality are on different buses heading in different directions then nothing will. It did make compelling viewing though!!

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Who would want to rule America now :shrug:

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Presently Biden is 917 votes ahead of Trump in Georgia - a lead of just 0.02%. The slow motion train wreck that is American Democracy continues to deliver.

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That's recount territory,hope you have a hobby to pass the time;)

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Neatly sums up the contradictions of Trump's supporters' approach.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...rtan-ntp-feeds

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When huge blocks of postal votes turn up and are 100% for Biden they could be right to cry fraud,this is what the Trump campaign was claiming last night,they feel it's a little disturbing that the press are not investigating this.

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When Trump supporters were threatening to show up at polling stations with guns (and have now done so), you can easily see why Dems might decide to vote by post. Especially in the USA with their system of voters registering a party affiliation, so especially in smaller communities everyone knows who the likely Dem voters are.

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Incidentally if you want to see Trump's absolutely raving mad press conference from last night, it's here - wind forward to 16 minutes (although the CBS news desk gets bored with it 7 minutes later and cuts back to the studio where they commence fact-checking) :rofl::

https://youtu.be/17EOwbctx5w