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Paul 25-06-2020 23:06
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36041152)
I wonder how they're going to find 12 impartial people for the jury?
You wont, nor can I see how they will get a fair trial, its already been decided by the media & BLM that they are guilty.

That said, the evidence (I know of) suggests one or more of them is probably guilty of negligent manslaughter, but not murder.

Hugh 25-06-2020 23:31
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36041242)
"Carte blanche", eh? Almost as bad as the White Cliffs of Dover! Good job it was "Blue Bells"!
Which was written by an American, and there are no bluebells anywhere near... :D

Pierre 26-06-2020 00:26
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36041240)
This is what your words were.
"I didn’t say they should use them. The fact they have them is a deterrent. Is the point I was making.". As I pointed out, a deterrent is only a deterrent if you're prepared and expected to use it. By using the word "deterrent", you implied they should've been prepared to use that deterrent. If in your imagination, simply carrying a gun should subdue somebody else, how come he was kicking off anyway? In what way do you expect them to have used any batons?:rolleyes: Pepper spray doesn't immobilise you, it just disorientates you even more.

At one point he was in the patrol car. He was handcuffed and in a caged vehicle. Why would it being a van make it any different? He had to be removed from the patrol car because of whatever he was doing in there.

How were they expected to restrain and immobilise him until this hypothetical van turned up? How long would that have taken?

When exactly did he show signs of calming down? He was under the influence of 2 drugs. He had to be forcibly dragged out of his car, dropped to the ground to try and avoid being put in the patrol car. Got up to whatever in the car. He never said or indicated "I give up, I'll come quietly".

He will have been needed to be restrained, because of the risk of injuring HIMSELF. They wouldn't have removed him from the patrol car just for fun.
You have not, and indeed cannot explain why 4no. Well equipped, well trained, professional policemen, failed to contain and control 1no. Unarmed man without killing him.

You can go on all you want about whatever you want, but you can’t explain that one very important point.

You can’t defend it, and you can’t mitigate it. The truth is simple.

I’ll tell you this, I guarantee if it was in the UK, he wouldn’t have died.

1andrew1 26-06-2020 00:33
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Resisting arrest - it happens all the time and across the world, which is why police vans have cages in them to protect the officers transporting them.
It's just highly unusual for suspects - particularly unarmed ones - to die when resisting arrest.

nomadking 26-06-2020 01:10
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36041266)
You have not, and indeed cannot explain why 4no. Well equipped, well trained, professional policemen, failed to contain and control 1no. Unarmed man without killing him.

You can go on all you want about whatever you want, but you can’t explain that one very important point.

You can’t defend it, and you can’t mitigate it. The truth is simple.

I’ll tell you this, I guarantee if it was in the UK, he wouldn’t have died.
Well equipped? The only thing even slightly useful was the handcuffs. What use would guns, batons, and torches be?:rolleyes: Just a ludicrous suggestion. They DID manage to contain and control him, but he was determined it wasn't going to stay that way. People ALL AROUND THE WORLD, including the UK, have died in similar circumstances. I've given enough examples in this thread. Unless the vehicle was the equivalent of a "padded cell", the possibility of him harming HIMSELF was always there. Again examples have been given.

They didn't restrain him just for the sake of it, it NEEDED doing.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36041267)
Resisting arrest - it happens all the time and across the world, which is why police vans have cages in them to protect the officers transporting them.
It's just highly unusual for suspects - particularly unarmed ones - to die when resisting arrest.
1) Not that unusual, I've provided examples in this thread.
2) It's not just about the possibility of harming other officers, which at the moment could include spitting at them. It is about the person injuring themselves, eg bashing their head against the window or cage. At one stage he in was INSIDE the patrol car, and the others weren't in it, so no danger to them. Then because of HIS behaviour, and for HIS own safety, he had to be removed.

Sephiroth 26-06-2020 10:01
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36041256)
Which was written by an American, and there are no bluebells anywhere near... :D
Blue birds, then.

Pierre 26-06-2020 10:19
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36041268)
Unless the vehicle was the equivalent of a "padded cell", the possibility of him harming HIMSELF was always there.
.
Brilliant isn't it. They were so concerned he could harm himself they killed him?

Hugh 26-06-2020 10:27
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36041280)
Blue birds, then.
Do you mean the bluebirds of North and Central America, none of which migrate to Britain? :D

I know, I know, it was poetic licence, but I always found it amusing that the song that epitomised the British wartime spirit was written by a Septic who had no idea of the bird species of the UK - ymmv. :)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36041283)
Brilliant isn't it. They were so concerned he could harm himself they killed him?
tbf, they have form - it was stated during the Vietnam War*
Quote:
“It became necessary to destroy the town to save it.”
*or, as they call it in Vietnam, the American War

Sephiroth 26-06-2020 10:33
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36041284)
Do you mean the bluebirds of North and Central America, none of which migrate to Britain? :D

I know, I know, it was poetic licence, but I always found it amusing that the song that epitomised the British wartime spirit was written by a Septic who had no idea of the bird species of the UK - ymmv. :)
<SNIP>
I meant the debate at https://www.theguardian.com/notesand...,-1789,00.html

Hugh 26-06-2020 10:51
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36041287)
Reading the Grauniad!!!

Doesn't that mean compulsory de-bagging at the Wokingham Con Club? :D

Sephiroth 26-06-2020 11:20
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36041291)
Reading the Grauniad!!!

Doesn't that mean compulsory de-bagging at the Wokingham Con Club? :D
We have to know what the enemy is saying.

1andrew1 26-06-2020 11:48
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36041291)
Reading the Grauniad!!!

Doesn't that mean compulsory de-bagging at the Wokingham Con Club? :D
No, that only happens to members if they move their weekly shop from Waitrose to Aldi. :D

Sephiroth 26-06-2020 12:13
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36041297)
No, that only happens to members if they move their weekly shop from Waitrose to Aldi. :D
Humour aside, do please stay cogent! What's an Aldi?

tweetiepooh 26-06-2020 12:14
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Aldi is more friendly than Waitrose according to my wife who has just returned from there.

papa smurf 26-06-2020 12:22
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36041299)
Humour aside, do please stay cogent! What's an Aldi?
It's where one buys one's discounted shopping before placing it in Waitrose bags to impress the neighbours ;)

Hugh 26-06-2020 12:35
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Whilst it’s been fun, back on topic, please.

ianch99 26-06-2020 14:14
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Really interesting take by Christopher Hitchens on possible US Reparations for Slavery where he discusses the attempts by the right to divert & hijack the debate calling this the "White Whine"

papa smurf 26-06-2020 16:32
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Death threats sent to Cambridge University professor after 'white lives don't matter' tweet


Prof Priyamvada Gopal, who teaches English at Churchill College, has sparked outrage after tweeting about 'abolishing whiteness' and police are investigating the racist messages she's been sent

Prof Priyamvada Gopal's comments sparked an huge online backlash which soon snowballed into an "organised campaign" against her.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...rsity-22257382


I'm not commenting on this at this time.

Damien 26-06-2020 18:09
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36041316)
Really interesting take by Christopher Hitchens on possible US Reparations for Slavery where he discusses the attempts by the right to divert & hijack the debate calling this the "White Whine"
I liked Hitchens. Even when I disagreed with that he was saying there was intellectual integrity to his arguments in that he would be consistent irrespective of the current state of politics.

You get so many grifters now who pander to whatever is happening in the world in the most provocative way to draw attention to their YouTube/Twitter accounts or to be a talking head on news channels.

Paul 26-06-2020 19:59
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36041330)
Death threats sent to Cambridge University professor after 'white lives don't matter' tweet
What a total moron she is, what did she expect to happen, racial harmony :rolleyes:

Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36041330)
.... and police are investigating the racist messages she's been sent
How about they investigate the racist comments she made as well. :dozey:

OLD BOY 26-06-2020 21:28
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36041138)
But as I have to keep pointing out, apart from me, who else is making it out to be anything other than the neck issue? Apparently the Police are told to ignore any pleas of "I can't breathe", especially if they're managed to say it sixteen times, along with a lot of other things. Did he say at any point something like "Ok now, I'll behave myself and get into the vehicle quietly"?


As if any judge or jury is going to pay any heed to it.:rolleyes:
Would you mind telling me why the police kept him like that for 9 minutes? He complained that he could not breathe and he was not struggling. Any idiot can see that this was unreasonable force.

nomadking 26-06-2020 22:00
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36041366)
Would you mind telling me why the police kept him like that for 9 minutes? He complained that he could not breathe and he was not struggling. Any idiot can see that this was unreasonable force.
No idea what they were waiting for. Perhaps a simple "ok, I'll come quietly".

He complained SIXTEEN times, along with other things. How could he manage that if he was truly out of breath? The police are apparently trained to ignore all the various bogus pleas.

How much was visible to say that he wasn't struggling? Only seen head area, and he can be CLEARLY seen twisting his body and moving his right shoulder upwards, on more than one occasion.

He would've been removed from the car for his OWN safety, until he calmed down.

If all the officers involved had been non-white, would they have behaved differently? Where is the evidence that they would've? After all, 2 were non-white.

UK Association of Police Officers(ACPO) advice
Quote:
A violent or restrained detainee must not be placed in a police vehicle unsupervised. Detainees who have struggled violently should not be placed in a vehicle unrestrained.
...
Where a detainee becomes violent, staff should, where practicable,
stop the vehicle, regain control and only then resume the journey; it may be necessary to call for assistance and to change to a more
suitable vehicle.
So looks like STANDARD advice to remove them from the vehicle. I've previously included examples of where people have injured themselves in the back seat of a police car. There are almost certainly many more cases out there.

How exactly do you think they should have subdued him?:rolleyes:
Shoot him?
Use a sedative? Injection of Haldol or use chloroform?
Beat him unconscious?
There were NO options available to subdue him, so that left restraining him.

Link
Quote:
Jodhpur DCP (West) Priti Chandra said the policeman had acted in self-defence to prevent the man from attacking him.
...
A video shot in Jodhpur, shared widely on social media, drew outrage after it showed a police constable kneeling on the neck of a person for not wearing a facemask.
...
The video showed Kumar aggressively resisting the policemen and engaging in a fistfight. It also showed a constable kneeling on him for a few seconds.
Chandra defended the constables’ actions, saying Prajapat man began punching the policemen as soon as they’d release him.

Hugh 26-06-2020 22:34
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
It also showed a constable kneeling on him for a few seconds.
A bit different from 8 minutes and 46 seconds.

Pierre 26-06-2020 22:47
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36041367)
No idea what they were waiting for. Perhaps a simple "ok, I'll come quietly".

He complained SIXTEEN times, along with other things. How could he manage that if he was truly out of breath? The police are apparently trained to ignore all the various bogus pleas.

How much was visible to say that he wasn't struggling? Only seen head area, and he can be CLEARLY seen twisting his body and moving his right shoulder upwards, on more than one occasion.

He would've been removed from the car for his OWN safety, until he calmed down.

If all the officers involved had been non-white, would they have behaved differently? Where is the evidence that they would've? After all, 2 were non-white.

UK Association of Police Officers(ACPO) advice
So looks like STANDARD advice to remove them from the vehicle. I've previously included examples of where people have injured themselves in the back seat of a police car. There are almost certainly many more cases out there.

How exactly do you think they should have subdued him?:rolleyes:
Shoot him?
Use a sedative? Injection of Haldol or use chloroform?
Beat him unconscious?
There were NO options available to subdue him, so that left restraining him.

Link

You can keep on trying to, weakly, mitigate the police’s actions. The man died in their care, they are responsible and that’s the end of it. An unarmed man, 4 professional, well trained, police Officers, they failed no matter how you try to spin it.

Hugh 26-06-2020 23:06
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36041370)
You can keep on trying to, weakly, mitigate the police’s actions. The man died in their care, they are responsible and that’s the end of it. An unarmed man, 4 professional, well trained, police Officers, they failed no matter how you try to spin it.
Pierre, I've been reflecting on some of my interactions with you in this thread, and I'd like to apologise to you.

I moved from debating to arguing, which was wrong, and it turned into me trying to be clever, rather than debating the points.

Once again, sorry - I'll try to be better in the future.

nomadking 26-06-2020 23:07
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36041368)
A bit different from 8 minutes and 46 seconds.
So was it just his neck that was held down, or was it also his chest, which was in REALITY would've been the major cause of whatever.


The guy would've been a much lighter build.
And the result of releasing him was...
Quote:
Chandra defended the constables’ actions, saying Prajapat man began punching the policemen as soon as they’d release him.

They couldn't release their hold, until he calmed down and showed remorse for his aggression.


THEY DIDN'T DO IT, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF IT.


Link

Quote:
The Dallas County Medical Examiner's office said Monday that Hutcheson died from a combination of the effects of being restrained, cocaine, methamphetamine and hypertensive cardiovascular disease.
Sound familiar?


Where were the protests and riots.
Quote:
A 48-year-old white Dallas man ran into the lobby of the Dallas County Jail on Aug. 1. He was swarmed by officers, and just minutes later he was dead on the floor.
That and the fact the officers were Black.



Quote:
Two more deputies immediately pile onto Hutcheson after he is already on the ground, and one of them appears to press his knee into Hutcheson's neck or throat for long periods of time. A witness also told The Dallas Morning News that a deputy pressed his knee into Hutcheson's throat.
A key difference is that with Floyd the knee WASN'T pressed into his throat.

ianch99 26-06-2020 23:36
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36041370)
You can keep on trying to, weakly, mitigate the police’s actions. The man died in their care, they are responsible and that’s the end of it. An unarmed man, 4 professional, well trained, police Officers, they failed no matter how you try to spin it.
I cannot see how anyone could put it better than this. To defend this action is just, well disturbing, to say the least.

OLD BOY 28-06-2020 19:10
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36041375)
I cannot see how anyone could put it better than this. To defend this action is just, well disturbing, to say the least.
Agreed.

1andrew1 29-06-2020 01:07
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Useful information about Black Lives Matter UK
Quote:
Mutaz Ahmed Worth reiterating that this group is not the official BLM. It’s a small band of British hard-left activists raising money off the name of the movement, without the explicit permission of the BLM Foundation. Not clear who’s responsible for £1m it’s fundraised or how it’ll be spent
https://twitter.com/mutazamd/status/1277231136729640960

Hugh 29-06-2020 09:17
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Strangely enough, the BLM Foundation mentioned above isn’t associated with the actual Black Lives Matter Global Network...

https://mashable.com/article/black-l...m/?europe=true
Quote:
The 'Black Lives Matter Foundation' isn't the real BLM, but it's raised millions in donations

The Black Lives Matter Foundation raised millions of dollars in donations. But it is not associated with the Black Lives Matter movement that sparked worldwide protests against police brutality.

BuzzFeed reports the "charitable organization" raised at least $4.35 million in early June, according to estimates. The Black Lives Matter Foundation is based in Santa Clarita, California and has one paid employee: its founder Robert Ray Barnes.

In a statement to BuzzFeed, Barnes said the foundation is not associated with the one behind the global movement.

"I don't have anything to do with the Black Lives Matter Global Network. I never met them, never spoke to them," Barnes said. "Our whole thing is having unity with the police department."
Quote:
The Black Lives Matter Global Network began when the phrase "Black Lives Matter" started trending after neighborhood watch member George Zimmerman shot and killed a Black teenage boy. At first, the movement didn't have centralized leadership. Since then, the movement has grown to a network of local Black Lives Matter chapters.

Sephiroth 29-06-2020 09:22
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36041588)
Strangely enough, the BLM Foundation mentioned above isn’t associated with the actual Black Lives Matter Global Network...

<SNIP>
"Global Network" eh? Africa - now liberated from the white man's yoke?

Hugh 29-06-2020 09:25
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36041590)
"Global Network" eh? Africa - now liberated from the white man's yoke?
That’s whole different discussion about the pillaging of resources and setting up artificial borders that didn’t recognise the reality of politics in Africa...

(And it started, and is based, in the USA)

Damien 29-06-2020 10:23
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Is there an 'official' BLM movement?

nomadking 29-06-2020 11:09
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
At least I'm the one not simply BLINDLY accepting the garbage coming out, and I'm looking at the actual FACTS and EVIDENCE.

Has ANYBODY SHOWN that the claimed issue ISN'T about the neck?

If it was about the neck, exactly what mechanism was meant to be the actual problem? The Knee WASN'T on the windpipe, as demonstrated by the FACT that he could claim not to be able to breathe a total of SIXTEEN TIMES. Medical FACT. There are TWO Carotid arteries. Even if one of them was blocked off, the other would still be able to supply blood to the brain.
Link
Quote:
In most instances when a carotid artery is completely blocked, the risk of a revascularization procedure usually outweighs the benefit. Fortunately, the brain has great capacity to use alternative routes to provide blood to the area of the brain supplied by the blocked artery. A network of blood vessels at the base of the brain, called the circle of Willis, can often supply the necessary blood flow.
Many people function normally with one completely blocked carotid artery, provided they haven't had a disabling stroke.
The pressure applied to his neck can't have been that great, as he could still move his head, jaw, and shoulder area. He even lifted his neck up slightly.

It is STANDARD PROCEDURE to remove someone from a vehicle, if they are "kicking off". It is ALSO STANDARD PROCEDURE to restrain them. It was ALSO STANDARD PROCEDURE in those circumstances to apply pressure to the neck. The reason for those procedures is PROTECTING the prisoner under a "duty of care". If he'd died as a result of NOT restraining him, they they would've been prosecuted and persecuted for that.:rolleyes:

The videos show that he WAS still resisting and moving around. He at NO POINT indicated that if they let him up, that he wouldn't "kick off" AGAIN.

It what way were they meant to prevent him from "kicking off"? No other way of doing it, which is why in ALL countries of the World, the same thing would've been done, and has been done. Handcuffing somebody ONLY restricts movement of the arms and hands. That still leaves a lot more that can be moved around.

Nobody is even trying to answer these questions, other than with "it's not true", or "there must've been another way". You are ALL not bothering to come up with valid, theoretical, and PRACTICAL(IE ones that would work in the REAL WORLD) solutions. people are just BLINDLY following the agenda. Try looking at things in a critical manner as to whether they are true or not. It's called INDEPENDENT THOUGHT.


REMEMBER THEY DIDN'T RESTRAIN HIM, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF IT.

downquark1 29-06-2020 11:16
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Chauvin is currently charged with:

Second-degree manslaughter
second-degree murder
third-degree murder

if these are the charges put to the jury they may only accept the manslaughter.

nomadking 29-06-2020 11:20
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36041599)
Chauvin is currently charged with:

Second-degree manslaughter
second-degree murder
third-degree murder

if these are the charges put to the jury they may only accept the manslaughter.
Why? The neck WASN'T the problem, the chest WAS. Kueng was responsible for that. That is assuming it was wasn't something totally unrelated, eg the two drugs in his system.

downquark1 29-06-2020 11:24
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36041601)
Why? The neck WASN'T the problem, the chest WAS. Kueng was responsible for that. That is assuming it was wasn't something totally unrelated, eg the two drugs in his system.
Well they could also find him completely innocent, my point is there is a lot of flexibility in the current institutional narrative.

nomadking 29-06-2020 11:40
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36041602)
Well they could also find him completely innocent, my point is there is a lot of flexibility in the current institutional narrative.
The FACT that he's been charged with murder in the first place demonstrates that there's NO flexibility. There is NO BASIS for the charge, other than he's the White guy. He followed the procedures. Remove suspect from vehicle if "kicking off", restrain (including the neck), ignore false claims of "I can't breathe".



Nobody is giving valid, practical answers to what should've been done instead. The nearest thing to be suggested is that somehow, their guns, batons, and pepper spray(if they had it) were to be of some use. How? Shoot him?:rolleyes: Beat him unconscious?:rolleyes: Make him more agitated and disorientated?:rolleyes:Eg Post# 797 by Pierre.
Quote:
They’ve got guns, they’ve got batons and they’ve got pepper spray and there’s 4 of them, In short they were well enough equipped to deal with one man - without killing him.

downquark1 29-06-2020 11:43
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36041605)
The FACT that he's been charged with murder in the first place demonstrates that there's NO flexibility. There is NO BASIS for the charge, other than he's the White guy. He followed the procedures. Remove suspect from vehicle if "kicking off", restrain (including the neck), ignore false claims of "I can't breathe".



Nobody is giving valid, practical answers to what should've been done instead. The nearest thing to be suggested is that somehow, their guns, batons, and pepper spray(if they had it) were to be of some use. How? Shoot him?:rolleyes: Beat him unconscious?:rolleyes: Make him more agitated and disorientated?:rolleyes:Eg Post# 797 by Pierre.
There is absolutely a basis for at least a manslaughter charge. What you have made is a highly technical medical argument, something that the prosecutors may not be aware of. Maybe there will be medical experts presented in the trial and maybe they will change the charges further to the other involved.

A charge is not a declaration of absolute truth.

1andrew1 29-06-2020 12:05
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36041605)
The FACT that he's been charged with murder in the first place demonstrates that there's NO flexibility. There is NO BASIS for the charge, other than he's the White guy. He followed the procedures. Remove suspect from vehicle if "kicking off", restrain (including the neck), ignore false claims of "I can't breathe".



Nobody is giving valid, practical answers to what should've been done instead. The nearest thing to be suggested is that somehow, their guns, batons, and pepper spray(if they had it) were to be of some use. How? Shoot him?:rolleyes: Beat him unconscious?:rolleyes: Make him more agitated and disorientated?:rolleyes:Eg Post# 797 by Pierre.
Four men v one unarmed and handcuffed man. Not rocket science on how he could be restrained without killing him!

Let's not forget that the manner in which he was restrained was very dangerous "Someone in that position can draw enough breath to gasp or speak in spurts, but they can't breathe fully, so they gradually lose oxygen and fall unconscious." https://www.actionnewsnow.com/conten...570850012.html

Like Pierre, I'm at a loss to understand why you choose to defend the indefensible.

Mr K 29-06-2020 12:56
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Paul 29-06-2020 15:35
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36041608)
Not rocket science on how he could be restrained without killing him!
Not is it rocket science to behave in a way that doesnt need anyone to restrain you in the first place. :dozey:

1andrew1 29-06-2020 17:16
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36041627)
Not is it rocket science to behave in a way that doesnt need anyone to restrain you in the first place. :dozey:
That's not the point of contention.

OLD BOY 29-06-2020 17:24
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36041651)
That's not the point of contention.
Correct. The police are supposed to be professional officers and abide by a code of conduct. I have seen enough reports about police conduct in the US to realise that they are biased against minorities and do not care one bit about their rights as human beings.

downquark1 29-06-2020 19:28
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Kier Starmer starts to back ferret out of BLM https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCBreakf...56165040148485

Damien 29-06-2020 19:30
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36041665)
Kier Starmer starts to back ferret out of BLM https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCBreakf...56165040148485
He was always on the outskirts of it. He obviously isn't going to support Defunding the Police.

downquark1 29-06-2020 19:49
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36041666)
He was always on the outskirts of it. He obviously isn't going to support Defunding the Police.
Well they've already destroyed cultural elements and got his enemies sacked from various positions, he can now appear to be the voice of reason.

Damien 29-06-2020 20:02
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36041667)
Well they've already destroyed cultural elements and got his enemies sacked from various positions, he can now appear to be the voice of reason.
Starmer was he didn't approve of the way the statue came down, whilst saying it should have been moved to a museum. I am not sure which of his enemies got fired?

downquark1 29-06-2020 20:56
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36041668)
Starmer was he didn't approve of the way the statue came down, whilst saying it should have been moved to a museum. I am not sure which of his enemies got fired?
Well Nigel Farage is no longer on the radio, but do you think on average a person sacked over BLM is more or less likely to be a labour voter.

Hugh 29-06-2020 21:03
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36041667)
Well they've already destroyed cultural elements and got his enemies sacked from various positions, he can now appear to be the voice of reason.
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Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36041684)
Well Nigel Farage is no longer on the radio, but do you think on average a person sacked over BLM is more or less likely to be a labour voter.
Are you saying Starmer got NF sacked from LBC?

downquark1 29-06-2020 21:04
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36041702)
Are you saying Starmer got NF sacked from LBC?
No I'm saying the effect of BLM has strengthened his position.

1andrew1 30-06-2020 00:10
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36041703)
No I'm saying the effect of BLM has strengthened his position.
Farage's beliefs would always come out of the woodwork eventually with only one outcome; BLM or no BLM. Back in Novmber 2019.
Quote:
Nigel Farage accused of perpetuating conspiracy theories linked to antisemitism
Brexit Party leader revealed to have claimed Goldman Sachs saw the EU as the 'forerunner of global government' and a 'new world order'
Nigel Farage has been revealed to have endorsed "New World Order" conspiracy theories linked to antisemitism.
In an interview with Revelation TV, an evangelical Christian channel, the Brexit Party laid claimed firms such as Goldman Sachs "see the European Union as basically the forerunner of global government".
He added: "It’s pretty clear who the enemy is as far as I’m concerned – the enemy are these giant multinational businesses are prepared to basically take down our democratic systems...
"If you really look at it: what percentage of the UK actually believe in the United States of Europe, actually believe in this New World Order?"
...Antisemitism watchdog the Community Security Trust said Mr Farage's language were "familiar code words for antisemitic conspiracy theories".
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/n...itism-1.493482

downquark1 30-06-2020 00:49
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
That report is from months ago and was not the reason he was sacked.

Paul 30-06-2020 05:16
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36041651)
That's not the point of contention.
If you dont put yourself in the position of needing to be restrained, there is no issue (or 'point of contention'). :rolleyes:

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36041653)
I have seen enough reports about police conduct in the US to realise that they are biased against minorities and do not care one bit about their rights as human beings.
What complete bollocks. There are good police and bad police, just like in the UK. The good out number the bad.
Thats like saying all english football fans are hooligans because you have seem reports of trouble, they are not, you only hear about the bad. :dozey:

OLD BOY 30-06-2020 09:18
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36041731)
What complete bollocks. There are good police and bad police, just like in the UK. The good out number the bad.
Thats like saying all english football fans are hooligans because you have seem reports of trouble, they are not, you only hear about the bad. :dozey:
I think you misunderstand. I am referring to 'the police' as an organisation. I agree there are good and bad individuals within it, but the US police forces are remarkably undisciplined and do not adequately enforce any rigid code of behaviour on how to deal with the public. If they have any equal opportunities training, it is completely ineffective. Bad apples can just transfer to other areas with impunity.

Considering the police forces in the US are armed, the way they are managed is alarming.

jfman 30-06-2020 10:13
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36041734)
I think you misunderstand. I am referring to 'the police' as an organisation. I agree there are good and bad individuals within it, but the US police forces are remarkably undisciplined and do not adequately enforce any rigid code of behaviour on how to deal with the public. If they have any equal opportunities training, it is completely ineffective. Bad apples can just transfer to other areas with impunity.

Considering the police forces in the US are armed, the way they are managed is alarming.
Agreed. There’s little to no accountability, reinforcing a belief that they can act with impunity with little or no consequences.

The police officer who murdered George Floyd did so in public, in front of witnesses and on camera. Clearly confident he could get away with it. That’s not a “bad” police officer, that’s structural.

Carth 30-06-2020 12:07
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36041735)
Agreed. There’s little to no accountability, reinforcing a belief that they can act with impunity with little or no consequences.

The police officer who murdered George Floyd did so in public, in front of witnesses and on camera. Clearly confident he could get away with it. That’s not a “bad” police officer, that’s structural.

get away with doing his job as prescribed?

To be honest, I don't know why anyone would want to be a police officer in the USA . . the dangers they face are appalling. A simple traffic stop can get you shot, going to a domestic incident can get you shot, serving a warrant can get you shot, responding to a burglary can get you shot.

Add to that all the stuff like drug busts, store robberies, drive by shootings, ambushes, car jackings, hostage situations . . . it's an endless list where letting your guard down for a second . . no matter what the circumstances are . . can see you or an innocent bystander carried away in a body bag.

And when the brown stuff hits the fan you're in front of the 'public jury' that forget all that :rolleyes:

Chris 30-06-2020 12:26
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Living in America can get you shot. It’s all relative.

papa smurf 30-06-2020 12:57
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36041743)
Living in America can get you shot. It’s all relative.
It's not the best song i've ever heard but shooting ...................;)

Hugh 30-06-2020 13:27
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36041742)
get away with doing his job as prescribed?

To be honest, I don't know why anyone would want to be a police officer in the USA . . the dangers they face are appalling. A simple traffic stop can get you shot, going to a domestic incident can get you shot, serving a warrant can get you shot, responding to a burglary can get you shot.

Add to that all the stuff like drug busts, store robberies, drive by shootings, ambushes, car jackings, hostage situations . . . it's an endless list where letting your guard down for a second . . no matter what the circumstances are . . can see you or an innocent bystander carried away in a body bag.

And when the brown stuff hits the fan you're in front of the 'public jury' that forget all that :rolleyes:
This is vastly overhyped, due to people believing that the films/tv reflect reality (they don't).

Whilst it is terrible that anyone is killed in the line of duty, the average is around 64 per year in the whole USA - there were 185 "Line of Duty" deaths in 2018, of which gunfire was 52 (in the same year, 46 died of 9/11 related cancer).

In Minnesota, where George Floyd was killed, 3 officers (2 of which were Prison Officers, 1 was DHS) died in 2018 - 1 from heart attack, 1 from assault, and one from a car crash.

In 2017, 1 Police Officer was killed by a driver under the influence of drugs (whilst the Officer was clearing debris off the road).

No officers were killed in the Line of Duty in 2016

2015, 1 Police Officer was shot and killed whilst guarding a prisoner in a hospital, who had taken the Officer's gun off him

2014, 1 Police Officer was killed by gunshot wounds

Again, whilst it is terrible that officers die this way, there were 2 killings by guns of Police Officers in Minnesota over a 5 year period - not exactly an everyday occurrence.

jfman 30-06-2020 13:30
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36041743)
Living in America can get you shot. It’s all relative.
You should work for the tourist board. :D

Carth 30-06-2020 14:18
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36041748)
<snip>

Again, whilst it is terrible that officers die this way, there were 2 killings by guns of Police Officers in Minnesota over a 5 year period - not exactly an everyday occurrence.
That's a very good statistic, which when you think about it, is probably due to the police using force to disarm and restrain (probably even shoot and kill) crazed drug fuelled nutters waving a gun around in public for example.

I think if the police played 'nice', there would be a lot more killed.

I know I'm the sort that would shoot first and question later . . . which is why I decided a career in the forces was not for me ;)


oh, and if people arrested (or told to stop) by police just stopped instead of running/fighting/resisting, police probably wouldn't have to escalate things.

cue people saying "they resist because they know what's going to happen"

Paul 30-06-2020 16:48
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36041748)
This is vastly overhyped ...
As is the myth you are likely to die when being arrested.

How many arrests are there in the US ?
The last figures I could find (for 2018) was over 10 Million per year.

Arrest related deaths seem harder to find figures for, but appears to be around 600 - 800 per year.

If you go with the higher figure, then 800 out of 10,000,000 is 0.008%
So you have far more chance of dying from any one of many other causes.

Of course, if you didnt break the law, and resist when arrested, then the problem would cease to exist. :angel:

Russ 30-06-2020 16:56
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36041765)

Of course, if you didnt break the law, and resist when arrested, then the problem would cease to exist. :angel:
I don't know if it's as cut-and-dried as that. But for a light-hearted look at a serious subject, do a YouTube search for "Chris Rock, how not to get your ass kicked by the police".

I won't link to it as it's NSFW and contains several F-bombs but it's interesting...

Jimmy-J 01-07-2020 04:25
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36041766)
I don't know if it's as cut-and-dried as that. But for a light-hearted look at a serious subject, do a YouTube search for "Chris Rock, how not to get your ass kicked by the police".

I won't link to it as it's NSFW and contains several F-bombs but it's interesting...
This one? :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36040945)
A public service film for our oppressed friends

https://youtu.be/uj0mtxXEGE8

Paul 01-07-2020 06:55
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
OMG, he is funny - the snowflakes will have a meltdown :D

Maggy 01-07-2020 10:09
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
https://www.facebook.com/33178651017...06432879998625

This is another one..

downquark1 01-07-2020 10:26
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
As you may not be aware (as the press seems intent on burying all stories about this) a number of BLM and antifa have took over a small area of Seattle and expelled all state law enforcement. Various things have been happening over the last few weeks there, but yesterday two teenagers went joyriding in a car and both were shot with one dying:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53224445

Hugh 01-07-2020 10:44
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36041832)
As you may not be aware (as the press seems intent on burying all stories about this) a number of BLM and antifa have took over a small area of Seattle and expelled all state law enforcement. Various things have been happening over the last few weeks there, but yesterday two teenagers went joyriding in a car and both were shot with one dying:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53224445
12th June
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-...eporting-story

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...ttle-v78wqtbcq

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...ttle-zzrvhcp70

23rd June
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-...eporting-story

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9580491.html

30th June
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-...eporting-story

Damien 01-07-2020 10:45
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36041832)
As you may not be aware (as the press seems intent on burying all stories about this) a number of BLM and antifa have took over a small area of Seattle and expelled all state law enforcement. Various things have been happening over the last few weeks there, but yesterday two teenagers went joyriding in a car and both were shot with one dying:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53224445
It's a bigger story in America than here. I have heard of it several times but largely though American news outlets, that's the first British source i have seen on it.

I mean what else is there to say but that's it crazy.

heero_yuy 01-07-2020 11:17
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Quote from Sun Sport: JAMIE Redknapp and Patrice Evra ditched the Black Lives Matter badges on Sky Sports last night after the movement's controversial statements criticising Israel.

The pair, along with host Kelly Cates and commentator Gary Neville, were not wearing the badges during the coverage of Brighton vs Manchester United.

Since the Premier League returned after lockdown on June 17, players have knelt before kickoff and had 'Black Lives Matter' patches on their sleeves.

It now appears the badges have been dropped by Sky Sports pundits after a series of tweets by the UK branch of Black Lives Matter - which criticised Israel and called on the government to "defund the police".
BLM being anti-Semitic. Who'd have thought it.

downquark1 01-07-2020 11:24
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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One would think insurrection in the homeland of the global hegemon would warrant a more prominent position.

Damien 01-07-2020 12:23
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36041842)
One would think insurrection in the homeland of the global hegemon would warrant a more prominent position.
People being shot in America is a daily occurrence.

downquark1 01-07-2020 12:29
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36041850)
People being shot in America is a daily occurrence.
The existence of Anarcho-communists communes without state authority* are not common in America and the success or failure of such communes are relevantly interesting to the public given the prominence of antifa and BLM in the news.

Certainly more so than most of the stuff on the news.

*Political analysers would be interested in this in so far as it is an indication of geopolitical weakness or impending collapse.

papa smurf 01-07-2020 12:29
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36041841)
BLM being anti-Semitic. Who'd have thought it.
Jumped off the bandwagon as quickly as they jumped on it,still BLM have had their 15 min of fame.

Pierre 01-07-2020 12:58
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
It now appears the badges have been dropped by Sky Sports pundits after a series of tweets by the UK branch of Black Lives Matter - which criticised Israel and called on the government to "defund the police".
Are you saying that really, they are just a bunch of far left activists/anarchists, the likes of which we have seen throughout the decades and they're just using the BLM banner to rally behind?

Who'd would've thought that eh?

Does the M in BLM now stand for Momentum?

Carth 01-07-2020 13:16
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36041857)
Are you saying that really, they are just a bunch of far left activists/anarchists, the likes of which we have seen throughout the decades and they're just using the BLM banner to rally behind?

Who'd would've thought that eh?

Does the M in BLM now stand for Momentum?

Stop rocking the boat, some of us are trying to row faster ;)

papa smurf 01-07-2020 13:18
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36041863)
Stop rocking the boat, some of us are trying to row faster ;)
Even a rat knows when to jump off a sinking ship;)

Hugh 01-07-2020 13:35
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36041841)
BLM being anti-Semitic. Who'd have thought it.
Criticising Israel is not anti-semitic.

BJ criticised Netanyahu’s plans in an article today - does that make BJ anti-semitic?

Maggy 01-07-2020 18:01
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36041869)
Criticising Israel is not anti-semitic.

BJ criticised Netanyahu’s plans in an article today - does that make BJ anti-semitic?
:tu:

nomadking 01-07-2020 19:08
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36041869)
Criticising Israel is not anti-semitic.

BJ criticised Netanyahu’s plans in an article today - does that make BJ anti-semitic?
So where have BLM criticised Israel. Criticising is one thing, but the Left go much further than that. If The Left are allowed to criticise Israel, why can't the rest of us, criticise so many things that the Left order us not to?:confused:

Damien 01-07-2020 20:36
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36041918)
So where have BLM criticised Israel. Criticising is one thing, but the Left go much further than that. If The Left are allowed to criticise Israel, why can't the rest of us, criticise so many things that the Left order us not to?:confused:
Anyone can criticise Isreal.

The problem has been that some people, often on the left but also some on the far-right, try to blame Israel for things they have nothing to do with. From 9/11 to the 2008 crash there is a section of society that tries to infer 'a hidden hand of Israel' behind negative world events.

It's anti-Semitic because it's invoking the puppetmaster tropes. This is a racist trope that's been directed at Jews to suggest they're controlling world events. All that's happened is they're replacing 'Jew' with 'Israel' to try and dismiss claims of anti-Semitism.

1andrew1 01-07-2020 21:32
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36041929)
Anyone can criticise Israel.

The problem has been that some people, often on the left but also some on the far-right, try to blame Israel for things they have nothing to do with. From 9/11 to the 2008 crash there is a section of society that tries to infer 'a hidden hand of Israel' behind negative world events.

It's anti-Semitic because it's invoking the puppetmaster tropes. This is a racist trope that's been directed at Jews to suggest they're controlling world events. All that's happened is they're replacing 'Jew' with 'Israel' to try and dismiss claims of anti-Semitism.
This is a potential example. Anti-Semitic code words used here are "globalists" and the reference to ""Goldman Sachs"
Quote:
Nigel Farage has claimed that “globalists” are using the coronavirus pandemic to push their agenda.
Later in the article Mr Farage makes reference to “numerous reports” of “Goldman Sachs executives” having a say in EU policy, “behind closed doors, of course.”
In 2019, the Guardian found that Mr Farage had appeared six times on the Alex Jones talk show, in which he repeatedly used words and phrases such as “globalists” and “new world order”, which regularly feature in antisemitic tropes.
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/n...genda-1.500527

nomadking 01-07-2020 22:40
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36041936)
This is a potential example. Anti-Semitic code words used here are "globalists" and the reference to ""Goldman Sachs"

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/n...genda-1.500527
Do a search for "new world order". It appears everywhere, about a lot of countries, and a lot of circumstances(eg Covid-19)


The term "globalist" mostly applies to the Left.
Code word or fact?:rolleyes:
Link

Quote:
Goldman Sachs participates in the EU policymaking process by engaging with relevant officials and / or members of staff from the EU institutions on specific policy issues (including but not limited to financial services, competition, and trade) and responding to selected consultations.
Link

Quote:
Jose Manuel Barroso had closer contact with Goldman Sachs during his tenure as European Commission chief than he has previously admitted, according to Portuguese media.
Correspondence obtained by Portuguese daily Publico under a freedom of information request suggests that Barroso, who took a job with the US bank earlier this year, held unregistered meetings with Goldman's top people.
In one email dated 30 September 2013, Goldman boss Lloyd Blankfein thanked Barroso for their “productive discussions” and said the bank’s senior partners were delighted about their “extremely fruitful meetings”.

Hugh 01-07-2020 22:47
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Ah, well, at least tin foil futures should be a good investment...

Maggy 02-07-2020 00:14
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36041944)
Ah, well, at least tin foil futures should be a good investment...
:rofl:

RichardCoulter 03-07-2020 00:57
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
There was an article on Radio 4 today that said that increasing BAME people amongst the workforce was not enough.

An organisation called 'Voice For Change' said that BAME people are under represented in the charity sector and that there are too many instsnces of people being appointed that were physically diverse BAME people, but mentally they were the same as their white counterparts and that this results in racism.

nomadking 03-07-2020 01:07
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36042083)
There was an article on Radio 4 today that said that increasing BAME people amongst the workforce was not enough.

An organisation called 'Voice For Change' said that BAME people are under represented in the charity sector and that there are too many instsnces of people being appointed that were physically diverse BAME people, but mentally they were the same as their white counterparts and that this results in racism.
:confused: "Voice For Change" appears to be a domestic violence organisation.


No shortage of BAME-only charities.

RichardCoulter 03-07-2020 03:39
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042084)
:confused: "Voice For Change" appears to be a domestic violence organisation.


No shortage of BAME-only charities.
I assume that they were talking about charities as a whole as opposed to their own.

I think that what they mean is that it's not enough to appoint black employees, but that these BAME employees have to have a black mentality/outlook as opposed to thinking the way that white people do.

I've heard black people describe such people as a cocunut or a bounty (after the chocolate bar) ie Brown on the outside, but white on the inside.

This could be viewed as attempting to marginalise the views of people that aren't the same as their own to suit their own agenda, or do they have a point?

Paul 03-07-2020 03:44
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
I read an article the other day that said BAME dont like the tag BAME ...

I honestly think they just look for ways to be "offended" to get whatever they want.

nomadking 03-07-2020 04:17
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Heaven forbid, that any "mentality" is devoid of all racial considerations.:rolleyes:
The term "BAME" is racist and divisive. It engenders a "us v them" approach. Silly to regard "BAME" as a single homogeneous group.


Classic example of how much of a load of baloney it all is.
Link
Quote:
Countryfile has sparked a debate on racism with a story suggesting people from the BAME community feel unwelcome in the countryside.
Last night, the BBC show aired a piece fronted by Dwayne Fields in which he investigated a report by Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA).
The report, published last year, focused on how people from black, Asian or minority ethnic communities as well as white people felt the UK's national parks are very much a "white environment".
Completely ridiculous.

Sephiroth 03-07-2020 10:31
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042090)
Heaven forbid, that any "mentality" is devoid of all racial considerations.:rolleyes:
The term "BAME" is racist and divisive. It engenders a "us v them" approach. Silly to regard "BAME" as a single homogeneous group.


Classic example of how much of a load of baloney it all is.
Link Completely ridiculous.
Absolutely spot on.

BAME: Black Asian Minority Ethnic. For that read "Black". The prejudice against black people by certain institutions (like the police and such as it may be) needs to be dealt with alongside what I fear will be futile work to "level up" - another convenient phrase that will lead to nothing.

This is a problem steeped in psychology. How do you break up sink estates and the tendency for racial groups to ghettoise? The Asians do this and seem to do reasonably well and don't seem to react to a US policeman's knee on a person's neck. Likewise a significant rump of Jewish people in various cities. So it's the black dominated areas that are problematic and why is this? It's not institutional racism because they tend to be in areas where the politics is in their favour.

"BAME" is one of those artificial woke words; I think I dislike woke-ism more than the lycra brigade when they are out on the roads. Woke-ism is shallow and doesn't get to grips with any issue other than to winge and point fingers.

Damien 03-07-2020 11:06
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36042106)
"BAME" is one of those artificial woke words; I think I dislike woke-ism more than the lycra brigade when they are out on the roads. Woke-ism is shallow and doesn't get to grips with any issue other than to winge and point fingers.
BAME is just a shorthand to refer to a minority ethnic group. I.E Non-white. It can be used in many different contexts from 'woke' to 'non-woke'.

Sephiroth 03-07-2020 11:26
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36042121)
BAME is just a shorthand to refer to a minority ethnic group. I.E Non-white. It can be used in many different contexts from 'woke' to 'non-woke'.
It's an artificial construct designed to rope in groups who are not involved by associating them with the "B" aspect

tweetiepooh 03-07-2020 11:41
Re: Black Lives Matter
 

Twitter drops terms master, slave and blacklist.

This is getting a little daft, are they also going to drop whitelist as well, what do you replace these with?

Etymology
Blacklist
Origins of the term The English dramatist Philip Massinger used the phrase "black list" in his 1639 tragedy The Unnatural Combat. After the Restoration of the English monarchy brought Charles II of England to the throne in 1660, a list of regicides named those to be punished for the execution of his father.
Whitelist is more recent and is just the opposite of blacklist.
The terms were not coined with any idea of race.

Could use green/red list? But does term "red" in the negative have implications for other groups and the positive use of green an bias towards non-industrial?

Carth 03-07-2020 11:48
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
It's all getting boring to me, BAME, LBGT, Rainbow are now just 'triggers' that generally make me sigh and skip the article.

Not enough women in sport, TV, the boardroom,
Not enough black people in sport, the police, TV, films, business
Not enough 'gender confused' people everywhere

Not enough aliens in Area 51
Not enough dogs in catteries
Not enough pubs and strip joints in Saudi Arabia
Not enough Oxygen in deep space
Not enough wheels on a unicycle

Not enough alcohol to numb myself

papa smurf 03-07-2020 12:03
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36042142)
It's all getting boring to me, BAME, LBGT, Rainbow are now just 'triggers' that generally make me sigh and skip the article.

Not enough women in sport, TV, the boardroom,
Not enough black people in sport, the police, TV, films, business
Not enough 'gender confused' people everywhere

Not enough aliens in Area 51
Not enough dogs in catteries
Not enough pubs and strip joints in Saudi Arabia
Not enough Oxygen in deep space
Not enough wheels on a unicycle

Not enough alcohol to numb myself
Too many woke folk
too many offence junkies
too many people waving bits of cardboard around

heero_yuy 03-07-2020 12:38
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1593772653

Attachment 28443

nomadking 03-07-2020 13:13
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
But strangely enough, not too many black footballers(soccer and American), too many black basketball player, etc.


BBC becoming more like the BET channel.

Pierre 03-07-2020 13:43
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042154)
But strangely enough, not too many black footballers(soccer and American), too many black basketball player, etc.


BBC becoming more like the BET channel.
Not enough white 100m sprinters - I'm campaigning for that.

Also not enough Black swimmers - I'm also campaigning for that.

I'm also campaigning for:

Not enough female Bricklayers

Not enough female refuse waste collectors

not enough male pre-school nursery carers

also there is a complete lack of male representation within womens tennis and vice versa, wholly unacceptable. they allow it in athletics.


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