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1andrew1 19-07-2019 23:28
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36003427)
Yes - he and Hunt were "none of the above" for me. I don't like people I can't trust.

Did you have a vote?
Did you spoil your ballot paper Seph or not vote?

Sephiroth 19-07-2019 23:31
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36003432)
Did you spoil your ballot paper Seph or not vote?
"Spoil" would cover it.

OLD BOY 19-07-2019 23:46
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36003434)
"Spoil" would cover it.
Wow! You really are a dissillusioned guy!

Sephiroth 19-07-2019 23:52
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003440)
Wow! You really are a dissillusioned guy!
Did you have a vote, OB?

OLD BOY 20-07-2019 00:48
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36003441)
Did you have a vote, OB?
Nope. I am politically agnostic, having voted for both Conservative and Labour in my time. I should clarify that I normally trend to Conservative, but when Labour have credible leaders with economic polcies that make sense, I am pepared to give it a go.

Sephiroth 20-07-2019 09:37
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003448)
Nope. I am politically agnostic, having voted for both Conservative and Labour in my time. I should clarify that I normally trend to Conservative, but when Labour have credible leaders with economic polcies that make sense, I am pepared to give it a go.
Interesting, OB. Whereas I'm a committed Conservative by reason of my party membership (prolly one of the last of the true Conservatives along with JR), I'd have rated you as similarly minded.

Hugh 20-07-2019 10:05
Re: What deals did you get on Amazon Prime Day?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003449)
Amazon Prime and yet you are complaining about less than a fiver a month?

This forum gets more perverse every day! What exactly do you think you are paying for your TV licence every year?

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It is not fair or appropriate to compare Johnson to previous leaders. You and I know that he is a one-off, and therefore you must judge him on what he accomplishes as PM.
Well, we can judge him on what he achieved as Foreign Secretary...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44767848
Quote:
When Mr Johnson was appointed two years ago, there was hope that his charm and intelligence could turn into statesmanship. Diplomats warmed to this multilingual maverick - here at last was a foreign secretary with some political star quality, who could get Britain heard on the international stage.

And certainly at early international meetings, I watched as Mr Johnson was mobbed by fellow ministers seeking selfies with a tousle-haired phenomenon tipped as a future prime minister.

But soon hope turned to disappointment. The repeated gaffes and inappropriate remarks often undermined any progress Mr Johnson made with Britain's allies and opponents. There were the jokes about dead bodies in Libya and the recitation of inappropriate verses by Rudyard Kipling in Myanmar.

And there was his inaccurate suggestion that the detained British Iranian national Nazanin Zaghari Ratcliffe had been in Iran training journalists, which her family and supporters said had damaged their campaign to secure her release...

...But there was often frustration at the lack of substance. Foreign envoys would sometimes tell me they couldn't fill their telegrams home simply with jokes written by Boris Johnson.

On one occasion, President Sisi of Egypt simply walked out of a meeting with a rather bemused foreign secretary simply because the conversation did not get beyond the pleasantries.
"Personality" and "quirkiness" only goes so far - we need substance as well, and BH has repeatedly been proven to lack that.

OLD BOY 20-07-2019 10:40
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36003453)
Interesting, OB. Whereas I'm a committed Conservative by reason of my party membership (prolly one of the last of the true Conservatives along with JR), I'd have rated you as similarly minded.
As I said, I am Conservative inclined but that doesn't mean I'd vote for them if they had a poor leader and Labour had a good one. I would never vote blindly for one party, no matter what.

OLD BOY 20-07-2019 10:45
Re: What deals did you get on Amazon Prime Day?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36003454)
Well, we can judge him on what he achieved as Foreign Secretary...
I quite liked his bendy buses and Boris bikes....:scratch:

Sephiroth 20-07-2019 11:18
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003457)
As I said, I am Conservative inclined but that doesn't mean I'd vote for them if they had a poor leader and Labour had a good one. I would never vote blindly for one party, no matter what.
I would always vote for JR. I hope he's in Boris' cabinet to maintain some degree of sanity.

OLD BOY 20-07-2019 12:37
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36003468)
I would always vote for JR. I hope he's in Boris' cabinet to maintain some degree of sanity.
Yes, I can see that if you have high regard for your local MP, that would be a factor - indeed, it is the local MP you are voting for technically. However, if my highly regarded MP was a member of a political party that had a leader that I thought would be bad news, I would change my allegiance.

denphone 20-07-2019 13:32
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
The latest polling by ComRes commissioned by Britain Elects.

http://britainelects.com/2019/07/19/...een-delivered/

Hugh 20-07-2019 14:29
Re: What deals did you get on Amazon Prime Day?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003458)
I quite liked his bendy buses and Boris bikes....:scratch:
Sorry to break it to you, but bendy buses weren’t BJ’s idea - Boris actually cancelled the bendy buses; when he campaigned in 2007, he said that "his first act as mayor of London would be to scrap bendy buses"...

Sephiroth 20-07-2019 17:13
Re: What deals did you get on Amazon Prime Day?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36003495)
Sorry to break it to you, but bendy buses weren’t BJ’s idea - Boris actually cancelled the bendy buses; when he campaigned in 2007, he said that "his first act as mayor of London would be to scrap bendy buses"...
... and good job too. They were un-navigable in parts of London, made you feel sick and caught fire.

Damien 20-07-2019 17:21
Re: What deals did you get on Amazon Prime Day?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003458)
I quite liked his bendy buses and Boris bikes....:scratch:
The bikes were Ken Livingstone, it's just the actual rollout happened under Boris.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36003495)
Sorry to break it to you, but bendy buses weren’t BJ’s idea - Boris actually cancelled the bendy buses; when he campaigned in 2007, he said that "his first act as mayor of London would be to scrap bendy buses"...
And actually this is a plus for Boris since the new Routemasters are really nice and also better represent London. A red double decker bus is London's style after all.

They need to pass a law to make Taxis black rather than these ones that have adverts all over too.

1andrew1 21-07-2019 12:34
Re: What deals did you get on Amazon Prime Day?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36003509)
The bikes were Ken Livingstone, it's just the actual rollout happened under Boris.

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And actually this is a plus for Boris since the new Routemasters are really nice and also better represent London. A red double decker bus is London's style after all.

They need to pass a law to make Taxis black rather than these ones that have adverts all over too.
The bikes were a TfL initiative, not a Ken Livingstone idea. Both mayors benefitted from a competent transport body. However, TfL advised against the new routemasters as the £60k-a-bus cost of a conductor was too expensive and that ended quite quickly making them unnecessary.

Rather than people listing Boris's failures, it might be better to try and understand him a bit better. This article is helpful. https://www.nybooks.com/articles/201...n-ham-of-fate/

denphone 21-07-2019 12:45
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Philip Hammond plans to quit if Johnson becomes PM.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49062514

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Mr Hammond said a no-deal Brexit, something Mr Johnson has left open as an option, was "not something I could ever sign up to".

Asked if he thought he would be sacked next week, he said he would resign on Wednesday to Theresa May.

papa smurf 21-07-2019 12:47
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36003574)
Philip Hammond plans to quit if Johnson becomes PM.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49062514
Resign or get sacked are his only options,if may was any kind of leader she would sack him on monday.

Hugh 22-07-2019 09:48
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
BJ in today’s Telegraph (his other employer).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...mpression=true
Quote:
"If they could use hand-knitted computer code to make a frictionless re-entry to Earth’s atmosphere in 1969, we can solve the problem of frictionless trade at the Northern Irish border"
a) It wasn’t frictionless - the whole method of re-entry was using the Earth’s atmosphere to friction brake the capsule; all that wasted money, time, and effort with heat shields, then, and all those ablative tiles on the shuttle. The Apollo 11 hitting the Pacific Ocean at 11 km/s would have been the result of frictionless reentry, so I fear BJ’s plan may crash and burn just as spectacularly.

b) 400,000 people worked on the Apollo programme at a total cost of a quarter trillion dollars, and it took 8 years. MIT designed and built the Apollo guidance computer. The issues were vast and exceptionally complex, and its design ground breaking

Once again, BJ doesn’t know what he’s talking about (or doesn’t care, because he thinks a sound bite is better than actuality).

denphone 22-07-2019 09:55
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
It might just crash and burn before that Hugh..

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-brexit-plans

Quote:
Boris Johnson’s hoped-for triumphant march into Downing Street this week is set to be dampened by a carefully timed series of resignations by senior ministers, who will retreat to the backbenches with a vow to thwart any moves towards a no-deal Brexit.
Quote:
However, by the time MPs return at the start of September, Johnson’s difficulties could have multiplied, with the Lib Dems tipped to take the Brecon and Radnorshire seat from the Tories in an early August byelection.
Quote:
While senior Lib Dem sources have played down reports that up to six disgruntled remain-minded Conservatives could defect to the party, they say enough are considering the move to potentially remove the rest of Johnson’s working majority.

nomadking 22-07-2019 10:12
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36003668)
It might just crash and burn before that Hugh..

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-brexit-plans
Just another example of the current attitude of "democracy must not prevail". Whatever democratic decision is arrived at, is not to be allowed to continue. What is the point of voting if only the permitted result is allowed? At least countries like North Korea don't hide it or pretend otherwise.

Mr K 22-07-2019 10:20
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Ex
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36003669)
Just another example of the current attitude of "democracy must not prevail". Whatever democratic decision is arrived at, is not to be allowed to continue. What is the point of voting if only the permitted result is allowed? At least countries like North Korea don't hide it or pretend otherwise.
Are you referring to the vote making Mr Blobby PM? Or the refusal to have a confirmatory vote on any EU deal?

Maggy 22-07-2019 10:28
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36003667)
BJ in today’s Telegraph (his other employer).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...mpression=true


a) It wasn’t frictionless - the whole method of re-entry was using the Earth’s atmosphere to friction brake the capsule; all that wasted money, time, and effort with heat shields, then, and all those ablative tiles on the shuttle. The Apollo 11 hitting the Pacific Ocean at 11 km/s would have been the result of frictionless reentry, so I fear BJ’s plan may crash and burn just as spectacularly.

b) 400,000 people worked on the Apollo programme at a total cost of a quarter trillion dollars, and it took 8 years. MIT designed and built the Apollo guidance computer. The issues were vast and exceptionally complex, and its design ground breaking

Once again, BJ doesn’t know what he’s talking about (or doesn’t care, because he thinks a sound bite is better than actuality).
:clap:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36003575)
Resign or get sacked are his only options,if may was any kind of leader she would sack him on monday.
Perhaps she thinks it might be salutary for BJ to experience just how hard it is to herd the present government into any agreement. A taste of his own medicine in other words.

nomadking 22-07-2019 10:37
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36003670)
Ex

Are you referring to the vote making Mr Blobby PM? Or the refusal to have a confirmatory vote on any EU deal?
The democratic selection of Boris is not being accepted in certain quarters, along with the referendum vote.



There ISN'T a deal on offer from the EU to either accept or refuse. The Withdrawal Agreement is not a deal. This is the only mention of the word "deal".
Quote:
(i) requests in accordance with Article 39 of the Schengen Implementing Convention that
are received before the end of the transition period by the central body responsible in
the Contracting Party for international police cooperation or by competent authorities of
the requested Party, or by requested police authorities which do not have the power to
deal with the request, but which forward the request to the competent authorities;
There is nothing on the table that would be in place in 2021 and beyond.

Hugh 22-07-2019 12:13
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
They accept his selection, but have the democratic right to choose not to serve in his Government - you know, like BJ (and others) did when they resigned from Government posts...

heero_yuy 22-07-2019 12:29
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Saves Boris from having to sack them seeing as it's very unlikely he would want May's old anti-Brexit dross in his team.

denphone 22-07-2019 12:39
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36003680)
Saves Boris from having to sack them seeing as it's very unlikely he would want May's old anti-Brexit dross in his team.
Backbenchers are often very dangerous from the back benches especially with a axe to grind as just ask Margaret Thatcher about one of her former cabinet ministers.

BenMcr 22-07-2019 14:17
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36003673)
There ISN'T a deal on offer from the EU to either accept or refuse. The Withdrawal Agreement is not a deal. This is the only mention of the word "deal".
There is nothing on the table that would be in place in 2021 and beyond.
The Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration combinded are 'the deal'
https://assets.publishing.service.go...ith_the_EU.pdf
Quote:
There will now be a vote on the final deal (the “meaningful vote”) in Parliament.
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Without agreeing this deal in Parliament, the legal default is the UK leaving the EU without a deal.

Damien 22-07-2019 15:22
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
tbh They should do what they do in the states on a President's re-election by all resigning giving the new PM the chance to hire them or not rather than fire them.

OLD BOY 22-07-2019 17:35
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36003667)
BJ in today’s Telegraph (his other employer).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...mpression=true


a) It wasn’t frictionless - the whole method of re-entry was using the Earth’s atmosphere to friction brake the capsule; all that wasted money, time, and effort with heat shields, then, and all those ablative tiles on the shuttle. The Apollo 11 hitting the Pacific Ocean at 11 km/s would have been the result of frictionless reentry, so I fear BJ’s plan may crash and burn just as spectacularly.

b) 400,000 people worked on the Apollo programme at a total cost of a quarter trillion dollars, and it took 8 years. MIT designed and built the Apollo guidance computer. The issues were vast and exceptionally complex, and its design ground breaking

Once again, BJ doesn’t know what he’s talking about (or doesn’t care, because he thinks a sound bite is better than actuality).
You take all this so literally, Hugh! Boris has a humour gene which kicks in at regular intervals.

daveeb 22-07-2019 17:57
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003729)
You take all this so literally, Hugh! Boris has a humour gene which kicks in at regular intervals.

Generally to cover up his woeful ignorance and factual shortcomings on any particular topic. :rolleyes:

Hugh 22-07-2019 18:01
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003729)
You take all this so literally, Hugh! Boris has a humour gene which kicks in at regular intervals.
I'll bear that in mind the next time he says something counter-factual - "he's being humourous..".

So when the leading contender to be the next Prime Minister compares two things, using the same term for both, we shouldn't actually take what he says to be accurate - OK, then... :rolleyes:

Good job the Apollo team didn't take the astronauts surviving re-entry to be an "aspiration", isn't it? ;)

papa smurf 22-07-2019 18:44
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36003731)
I'll bear that in mind the next time he says something counter-factual - "he's being humourous..".

So when the leading contender to be the next Prime Minister compares two things, using the same term for both, we shouldn't actually take what he says to be accurate - OK, then... :rolleyes:

Good job the Apollo team didn't take the astronauts surviving re-entry to be an "aspiration", isn't it? ;)
I feel sure buzz lightyear and streach armstrong wouldn't hold it against him.

Hugh 22-07-2019 19:10
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36003734)
I feel sure buzz lightyear and streach armstrong wouldn't hold it against him.
Well, they aren't actually real things, like many of BJ's statements, so the congruence works... :D

Sephiroth 22-07-2019 20:46
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003729)
You take all this so literally, Hugh! Boris has a humour gene which kicks in at regular intervals.
You can't win on this one, OB. It'll be best to keep your powder dry on Boris until he shows one way or the other.

I'm level headed enough not to have gone for the glitz and show biz.

TheDaddy 22-07-2019 21:07
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003729)
You take all this so literally, Hugh! Boris has a humour gene which kicks in at regular intervals.
Yeah, tell that to Nazanine Zaghari Ratcliffe, don't worry it was only bozos humour gene kicking in that doubled your sentence, if that were me I doubt I could utter another word in public let alone hold office, she is clearly a pawn in a game but did his specific efforts help her situation or make it much worse

Mobes 22-07-2019 21:41
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36003745)
Yeah, tell that to Nazanine Zaghari Ratcliffe, don't worry it was only bozos humour gene kicking in that doubled your sentence, if that were me I doubt I could utter another word in public let alone hold office, she is clearly a pawn in a game but did his specific efforts help her situation or make it much worse

Indeed! Also this utter nonsense about not taking Boris so seriously etc is one you hear from Trump supporters too on a regular basis. His 'witty' racist one liners, his 'joke' about dating his own daughter.

Not so funny now we know we have a white supremacist in The White House with very close link to a pedophile and a child sex trafficker.

Guess whose backing Johnson.

daveeb 22-07-2019 22:02
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobes (Post 36003754)
Indeed! Also this utter nonsense about not taking Boris so seriously etc is one you hear from Trump supporters too on a regular basis. His 'witty' racist one liners, his 'joke' about dating his own daughter.

Not so funny now we know we have a white supremacist in The White House with very close link to a pedophile and a child sex trafficker.

Guess whose backing Johnson.
Yes having the Milky Bar brothers in power is like a nightmare, only you wake up eventually from nightmares. :shocked:

Maggy 22-07-2019 22:20
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
I do not trust a word that comes out of BJ's mouth.

1andrew1 22-07-2019 23:32
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 36003763)
I do not trust a word that comes out of BJ's mouth.
Neither does Nigel Farage who doesn't believe BoJo will deliver Brexit on 31st October.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...lection-latest

Maggy 23-07-2019 10:20
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
I'm more concerned about how BJ will deal with Foreign affairs..His previous behaviour in the role as Foreign Secretary does not bode well

Mr K 23-07-2019 10:57
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...help-squeezed/

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Boris Johnson is prepared to turn on the spending taps by borrowing money to help the squeezed middle classes if he is confirmed as the new Tory leader on Tuesday.

The former foreign secretary is in favour of a policy of “fiscal loosening” that would reverse the tight controls on public spending imposed by Philip Hammond.

He is determined to honour promises to give tax breaks to everyone who earns less than £80,000, and is ready to pause the current policy of bringing down the deficit.
This would hilarious if it wasn't true. His priority is cutting tax for those earning less then a paltry £80k (guess what? MPs earn £76k). So he's prepared to borrow, increase the deficit it to give the money away to those that don't need it.... How about the NHS if he's going to borrow ? This is a Tory is it ?

Also astounding is the definition of 'middle class' from the Torygraph - anyone less than £80k. Someone needs to tell them the average salary is £27k.... Some of the country are living in a different world.

Tax cuts don't increase tax take either, another urban myth spread by interested parties....
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...p-laffer-curve

This country is going to become more divided than ever before.

tweetiepooh 23-07-2019 11:25
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I'd guess that middle class means different things in different parts of the country or world. I earn above that average but would still count myself as middle-class. Methinks class or perception of it has less to do with income than some societal thinking. I once read that if you own a microwave you are in the top 10% wealthiest in the world.

I would say that below £80k would fit nicely to middle-income. And it's middle income that are normally hit most with taxes. Rich enough to have to pay them, poor enough not to be able to afford to avoid.

pip08456 23-07-2019 13:05
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Boris elected new leader of the Conservative party.

Johnson 92,153

Hunt 46,656

Hugh 23-07-2019 13:17
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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I thought the BBC headlines were a bit harsh, then I realised it was about an unconnected story...

papa smurf 23-07-2019 13:18
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36003798)
boris elected new leader of the conservative party.

Johnson 92,153

hunt 46,656
66% of the vote

denphone 23-07-2019 13:27
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
How Boris Johnson's majority compares with other party leaders.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

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In percentage terms, that is better than Jeremy Corbyn achieved in the last Labour leadership election, in 2016, when he got 62% of the vote on a 78% turnout (although the electorate in that contest was much larger). It is also better than Jo Swinson achieved yesterday, when she was elected Lib Dem leader with 63% of the vote on a 72% turnout.

Johnson has also done better than Iain Duncan Smith, the first Conservative leader elected by members, not just MPs. In 2001 Duncan Smith got 61% of the vote on a 78% turnout.

But Johnson has not managed to beat his old rival, David Cameron. Cameron had 68% of the vote when he won in 2005, on a turnout that was also 78%.

pip08456 23-07-2019 13:31
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36003803)
How Boris Johnson's majority compares with other party leaders.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live
Which is bigger 66% of an 87% turnout or 68% of a 78% turnout?
Asking for a friend.;)

papa smurf 23-07-2019 13:34
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36003788)
I'd guess that middle class means different things in different parts of the country or world. I earn above that average but would still count myself as middle-class. Methinks class or perception of it has less to do with income than some societal thinking. I once read that if you own a microwave you are in the top 10% wealthiest in the world.

I would say that below £80k would fit nicely to middle-income. And it's middle income that are normally hit most with taxes. Rich enough to have to pay them, poor enough not to be able to afford to avoid.
It's not about what you earn it's what Tea you drink that decides your class and position in society.;)


I own 3 microwaves,i'm not rich cos i spent all my money on microwave ovens.

pip08456 23-07-2019 13:58
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36003805)
It's not about what you earn it's what Tea you drink that decides your class and position in society.;)


I own 3 microwaves,i'm not rich cos i spent all my money on microwave ovens.
:LOL::LOL::LOL:

Hugh 23-07-2019 14:01
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36003804)
Which is bigger 66% of an 87% turnout or 68% of a 78% turnout?
Asking for a friend.;)
BJ - 92,153 out of 139,245 (87.4% of 159,320)
DC - 134,446 out of 198,844

denphone 23-07-2019 14:04
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36003808)
BJ - 92,153 out of 139,245 (87.4% of 159,320)
DC - 134,446 out of 198,844
At least someone knows how to do the maths.;)

pip08456 23-07-2019 14:27
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36003810)
At least someone knows how to do the maths.;)
I had no interest in doing the maths, I knew the numbers were higher for Johnson. Depending on which reality you are in.

Chris 23-07-2019 14:58
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
So it’s Boris ... let the squealing begin ...

Dave42 23-07-2019 15:51
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
no surprise let the chaos begin god help uk

papa smurf 23-07-2019 16:09
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
It was a fair and democratic contest and he got 67.4% of the votes, i can't see what there is for anyone to complain about.

Maggy 23-07-2019 17:12
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36003813)
So it’s Boris ... let the squealing begin ...
Don't you mean fun? :D

Mr K 23-07-2019 19:19
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36003825)
It was a fair and democratic contest and he got 67.4% of the votes, i can't see what there is for anyone to complain about.
He got 0.14% of the British population voting for him..... And most of those are bigotted old farts.

Hugh 23-07-2019 19:30
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36003812)
I had no interest in doing the maths, I knew the numbers were higher for Johnson. Depending on which reality you are in.
So 92,153 is more than 134,446?

Your reality is "interesting"...

The % was higher, but of a lower number of votes, so the numbers (actual votes) were lower for BJ.

Sephiroth 23-07-2019 19:33
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36003843)
He got 0.14% of the British population voting for him..... And most of those are bigotted old farts.
Typical rubbish.

1. His constituency voted him as MP.

2. You are an insulting person with no basis for that assertion.

Mr K 23-07-2019 19:38
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36003848)
Typical rubbish.

1. His constituency voted him as MP.

2. You are an insulting person with no basis for that assertion.

1. Only just, he might be in trouble next time if the opposition parties do a deal.

2. Fair enough, but you know I'm right ;)

pip08456 23-07-2019 19:52
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36003843)
He got 0.14% of the British population voting for him..... And most of those are bigotted old farts.
The British population do not vote for a leader of a party, the party members do.

He has not been voted in as Prime Minister by anyone.

richard s 23-07-2019 20:41
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Boris in his speech said to Unite this Country.. I think he should have said the United Kingdom.. Boris old chap... NO CHANCE! The war has just begun.

Hugh 23-07-2019 21:38
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Apparently "They call him Britain Trump.".

Pierre 23-07-2019 21:51
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36003851)
The British population do not vote for a leader of a party, the party members do.

He has not been voted in as Prime Minister by anyone.
As has been explained, many, many, many, many, many times. We do not operate a presidential style of democracy or election.

It is the party and the party’s manifesto we vote for. ( a charismatic leader is a bonus) whoever the leader of the party is, is prime minister.

All other parties operate the same method of electing their leader, i don’t hear cries of foul because the country didn’t get a chance to decide on the leader of the LibDems.

Damien 23-07-2019 22:15
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36003870)
All other parties operate the same method of electing their leader, i don’t hear cries of foul because the country didn’t get a chance to decide on the leader of the LibDems.
I mean obviously the difference here is that when the party doing is in power then they're shifting from the leader who won the initial mandate. Opposition parties will be forced to go to the country with their leader before that leader becomes PM.

But I don't really care. We've had this happen so many times: Major, Brown and May herself. It's a normal part of our system.

Paul 23-07-2019 22:50
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 36003763)
I do not trust a word that comes out of BJ's mouth.
I dont trust a word that comes out of any polititions mouth, no need to single one out ;)

jfman 23-07-2019 22:56
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36003843)
He got 0.14% of the British population voting for him..... And most of those are bigotted old farts.
Excuse me.

Is it not one t in bigoted?

1andrew1 23-07-2019 22:58
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 36003873)
I dont trust a word that comes out of any polititions mouth, no need to single one out ;)
Whilst none are angels, some are less inaccurate than others.

Chris 24-07-2019 01:17
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36003851)
The British population do not vote for a leader of a party, the party members do.

He has not been voted in as Prime Minister by anyone.
He knows. He’s just trolling because he doesn’t like Tories. Oddly enough he apparently didn’t have anything to say about it when Gordon Brown took over from Tony Blair ...

pip08456 24-07-2019 02:05
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36003880)
He knows. He’s just trolling because he doesn’t like Tories. Oddly enough he apparently didn’t have anything to say about it when Gordon Brown took over from Tony Blair ...
Nice one!;)

1andrew1 24-07-2019 09:00
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36003880)
He knows. He’s just trolling because he doesn’t like Tories. Oddly enough he apparently didn’t have anything to say about it when Gordon Brown took over from Tony Blair ...
Boris criticised Gordon Brown for taking over without an election whereas Gordon Brown did not criticise anyone for doing this.

Chris 24-07-2019 09:20
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Boris was also trolling ... he was a newspaper columnist, it was his job.

1andrew1 24-07-2019 10:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36003888)
Boris was also trolling ... he was a newspaper columnist, it was his job.
The difference is that Mr K isn't a PM who criticised a predecessor for not being elected. The correct criticism of Boris is not that he was not elected by the country, but that he became Prime Minister by the same process he had criticised someone else of.

OLD BOY 24-07-2019 10:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36003894)
The difference is that Mr K isn't a PM who criticised a predecessor for not being elected. The correct criticism of Boris is not that he was not elected by the country, but that he became Prime Minister by the same process he had criticised someone else of.
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

What will now be interesting is to see how Boris goes about implementing his programme. A fresh approach would be very welcome.

1andrew1 24-07-2019 10:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003897)
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

What will now be interesting is to see how Boris goes about implementing his programme. A fresh approach would be very welcome.
Agreed. Whilst he's boxed himself in a bit with promises, he's quite good at extracting himself from them (eg Heathrow) so will be fascinating to see how this goes.

Maggy 24-07-2019 10:39
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when he has his first meeting with the Queen.

tweetiepooh 24-07-2019 11:08
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 36003902)
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when he has his first meeting with the Queen.
Orf with his head!

Chris 24-07-2019 11:38
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 36003902)
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when he has his first meeting with the Queen.
She is said to be quite frank with her PMs. Pity we’ll never really know.

Mr K 24-07-2019 14:00
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36003880)
He knows. He’s just trolling because he doesn’t like Tories. Oddly enough he apparently didn’t have anything to say about it when Gordon Brown took over from Tony Blair ...
Lol, did you really bring up a 12 year old thread which I wasn't involved in to prove nothing :D. Don't think I was aware CF even did Current Affairs at the time, just relied on it for helpful tech advice ! Very poor effort sir ! ;)

Anyway, back to Mr Blobby. If he hasn't pressed the button by accident by the end of the day he'll have surpassed my expectations...

Hugh 24-07-2019 14:30
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
A liar*, an adulterer, and the Prime Minister walk into a bar.

… He orders a drink.

*not the bus - he was fired twice for lying...

papa smurf 24-07-2019 14:41
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36003927)
A liar*, an adulterer, and the Prime Minister walk into a bar.

… He orders a drink.

*not the bus - he was fired twice for lying...
Well he's got the top job,being bitter and telling silly bad jokes won't change anything.

1andrew1 24-07-2019 14:45
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36003929)
Well he's got the top job,being bitter and telling silly bad jokes won't change anything.
in this heat, BoJo probably ordered a lager, not a bitter. :D

papa smurf 24-07-2019 15:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36003932)
in this heat, BoJo probably ordered a lager, not a bitter. :D
Verry witty and in the spirit of bojo.;)

---------- Post added at 14:00 ---------- Previous post was at 13:58 ----------

All the remainers are resigning it's quite refreshing.


The chief remainer has gone to hand in her resignation to the Queen.

Hugh 24-07-2019 16:27
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36003929)
Well he's got the top job,being bitter and telling silly bad jokes won't change anything.
Just trying to keep you company... ;)

OLD BOY 24-07-2019 20:52
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 36003902)
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when he has his first meeting with the Queen.
I am sure he lit up the room and seduced her with his copious vocabulary.

Haven't heard much commentary on here about his maiden speech as PM. Anyone want to object to anything or was he right on the button?

Damien 24-07-2019 21:03
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
I don't know how he is going to sort adult social care without using their homes whilst also cutting taxes.

richard s 24-07-2019 21:03
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
So we are going to withhold the 39 billion if the EU do not agree to any of Bo Jo's demands and then use the money to pay for all the wonderful promises he made in his speech.

Mr K 24-07-2019 21:09
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36003968)
I don't know how he is going to sort adult social care without using their homes whilst also cutting taxes.
You just need to 'believe'* Damien.

* in Unicorns

jfman 24-07-2019 21:58
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36003968)
I don't know how he is going to sort adult social care without using their homes whilst also cutting taxes.
Like fully costing the Liberal Democrat manifesto I doubt he will have to worry about that for very long.

Pierre 24-07-2019 22:00
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36003913)
She is said to be quite frank with her PMs. Pity we’ll never really know.
The beauty of the PMs relationship with the monarch is that is the one person they can be completely frank and honest with, without any worry that what they say will be leaked or used against them.

All PMs ( that I have read) have stated that they found that outlet very valuable.

---------- Post added at 21:00 ---------- Previous post was at 20:58 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36003927)
A liar*, an adulterer, and the Prime Minister walk into a bar.

… He orders a drink.

*not the bus - he was fired twice for lying...
:blah:

Mr K 24-07-2019 22:05
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36003987)
The beauty of the PMs relationship with the monarch is that is the one person they can be completely frank and honest with, without any worry that what they say will be leaked or used against them.

All PMs ( that I have read) have stated that they found that outlet very valuable.

---------- Post added at 21:00 ---------- Previous post was at 20:58 ----------



:blah:
Boris didn't back our US ambassador for giving frank and honest opinions, which was his job !

He's making too many enemies already. Always a mistake, particularly for a Tory.

pip08456 24-07-2019 22:15
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36003989)
Boris didn't back our US ambassador for giving frank and honest opinions, which was his job !

He's making too many enemies already. Always a mistake, particularly for a Tory.
Which job did he have at the time?

Mr K 24-07-2019 22:19
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36003990)
Which job did he have at the time?
He was one of 2 contenders to run the country. When the ambassador realised he wasn't being, supported by Bozza for doing his job he resigned. Mr Johnson is a muppet and now our PM. Enjoy.

pip08456 24-07-2019 22:32
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36003991)
He was one of 2 contenders to run the country. When the ambassador realised he wasn't being, supported by Bozza for doing his job he resigned. Mr Johnson is a muppet and now our PM. Enjoy.
Being a contender is not a job. No mater what Johnson could have said the ambassador's job was still untenable. He was basically "persona non grata" in Washington circles. He could no longer perform his job.

Pierre 24-07-2019 22:42
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36003989)
Boris didn't back our US ambassador for giving frank and honest opinions, which was his job !
The whole ambassador issue is a red herring.

Boris has nothing to do with that, the only person that needs to be sought out and blamed for anything is there person who leaked it.

Quote:
He's making too many enemies already. Always a mistake, particularly for a Tory.
He have made an enemy of POTUS if he had, he played it exactly right.

Mr K 24-07-2019 22:43
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36003992)
Being a contender is not a job. No mater what Johnson could have said the ambassador's job was still untenable. He was basically "persona non grata" in Washington circles. He could no longer perform his job.
https://www.ft.com/content/30475dfa-...2-2df48f366f7d

Quote:
But he told friends he took the final decision to resign after he watched Mr Johnson refuse to support him in a live television debate, and fail to commit to keeping him in Washington.
The President reckons he's the 'British Trump' so that's a good sign :erm:

Pierre 24-07-2019 22:44
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36003991)
He was one of 2 contenders to run the country. When the ambassador realised he wasn't being, supported by Bozza for doing his job he resigned. Mr Johnson is a muppet and now our PM. Enjoy.
He resigned because he could no longer function in his capacity as ambassador as he been denied access to POTUS due to the leak that was nothing to do with Johnson.

pip08456 24-07-2019 22:59
Re: [Update 2] PM Boris forms a government
 
Quote:
Sir Kim said the furore over the messages, in which he called the US president "inept", was "making it impossible for me to carry out my role as I would like".
Quote:
Foreign Office minister Sir Alan Duncan, a supporter of Mr Hunt, told Sky News that Mr Johnson had "basically thrown [Sir Kim] under the bus".
(my bold)

Source

denphone 25-07-2019 08:28
Re: [Updated] Boris elected Tory leader
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36003929)
Well he's got the top job,being bitter and telling silly bad jokes won't change anything.
Well this one will please you.;)

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...CyqmC9iyUNopbE


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