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Damien 20-11-2017 19:33
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35925701)
I don't know how you can say that when you are suggesting we don't roll over for them either ?
Because of the rest of my posts! I answered literally below the part you quoted and also in the initial post:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35925669)
Sanctions, investigate anyone willingly cooperating with their interference and oppose their propaganda. We're not some poor little country powerless to defend our interests. What else would you have so do? Roll over because it's Russia?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35925697)
The invasion was what provoked more sanctions. The invasion of Crimea cost the Russian economy badly: https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp look at what happened after 2014. It's far from 'nothing'. How many hits like that do you think Russians will take? Putin may be very powerful and immune to normal democracy but he still has to balance the interests of other powerful Russians and their people. His political capital to invade further is limited as a result.

If we had rolled over then he might have felt emboldened to take Eastern Ukraine too.

There is more than can be done. If Western Europe can help Eastern Europe reduce their dependence on Russian energy then the pressure can get worse.

There is a wide range of options between not rolling over and military action.


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BTW Russia have being doing this for long before any of the recent stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation

1andrew1 20-11-2017 20:07
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Can anyone post a legitimate reason why we should not investigate potential behind-the-scenes meddling by a foreign power in British elections and referendums?

Mr K 20-11-2017 20:12
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35925711)
Can anyone post a legitimate reason why we should not investigate potential behind-the-scenes meddling by a foreign power in British elections and referendums?
It might upset the swivel eyed loons who seem to have Theresa by the short and curlies ??? :D

TheDaddy 20-11-2017 20:34
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35925692)
Do you not think they would not retaliate with a Nuclear strike if confronted militarily, let's say if NATO was to attack them first ?

I seem to remember Europe and the previous U.S Administration doing very little to stop Putin Annexing Crimea. Why was that do you think ?
No I don't think they would, I remember reading a future history book by a guy called general Hackett written in the seventies that accurately predicted events up to the collapse of the Soviet regime, pretty much everything in terms of dates was spot on, the only thing he got wrong was they chose Gorbachev as leader instead of a hardliner, which if they had done he had no doubt would've led to WWIII strangely though even once defeated on the battlefield and totally collapsing back home their use of nuclear weapons was very limited, bad luck Birmingham. I don't see why a mere confrontation would immediately mean a jump to nuclear weapons and for the record I'm not advocating military action either, there's better ways to skin a bear.

Maggy 21-11-2017 08:40
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35925634)
So you would prefer a conflicted world that is against Putin, a consistent cold atmosphere where the potential for another cold war around the corner ?

How bizarre thinking.
Yes because he isn't for any form of democracy whatsoever.He's former KGB and has learned a lot of lessons on how to keep power while pretending to give democracy.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35925648)
Stalin was a mass murderer, idolising him is a massive red flag, and Putin is not a friend of the West. It's naive to think you can have a amicable relationship with his Government. He wants a divided West in turmoil.

At the moment people on here are relaxed on it but he doesn't like the right in America or countries. He'll back whatever causes the most chaos so come the next election you might suddenly find the Tories are the ones that suddenly have a lot of e-mails leaked, bad news spreading on Twitter etc.
:clap:

Osem 21-11-2017 17:20
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
It's revealing to learn that Kezia Dugdale has signed up for 'celebrityhood' after having been quite critical of Nadine Dorries doing the self same thing back in 2012.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8064221.html

Never mind that though eh?...

Osem 23-11-2017 09:58
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
... and Labour couldn't do any worse: :rofl:

https://order-order.com/2017/11/23/m...ervicing-debt/

McDonnell quick to quote some figures but then whines about being asked about those which betray the reality of a Labour government's spending plans and the servicing costs thereof. :rolleyes:

1andrew1 25-11-2017 07:26
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Looks like Hammond's magic money tree is just for Brexit.
Quote:
Tory revolt over defence cuts
A defence minister has threatened to resign if the military is forced to impose cuts that include reducing the army to below 70,000 soldiers, The Times has learnt.

Tobias Ellwood, veterans minister, has shared with colleagues his “deep discomfort” at a list of cost-saving options faced by the Ministry of Defence.

Gavin Williamson, the new defence secretary, was shocked at what one source described as the “completely awful” headline proposals drawn up by military chiefs.

Mr Williamson, who took charge of the department from Sir Michael Fallon three weeks ago, has signalled that he is ready to take on Philip Hammond, the chancellor, if necessary. “We are beginning to try and push back,” a Whitehall source said.

Other cost-saving options include delaying the upgrade of a fleet of tanks and armoured vehicles and reducing an order for a new generation of Ajax mini- tanks.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...cuts-63vrjzsxg

Osem 25-11-2017 11:13
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
and it's so good to see Labour practising what they preach when it comes to job security and low pay:

Quote:
staff are only guaranteed 12 hours work a week, and receive an email on Friday evenings telling them how much work is available the following week.
https://order-order.com/2017/11/24/l...-30p-pay-rise/

No they're not behaving illegally but if they're demanding other employers treat and pay their staff better maybe they ought to set the example for others to follow as opposed to being just the same as those they condemn.

richard s 25-11-2017 20:20
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Trouble is the Labour party is not as rich as the Tory party. Guido Fawkes news, ha, ha.

Hugh 26-11-2017 01:58
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35926386)
Trouble is the Labour party is not as rich as the Tory party. Guido Fawkes news, ha, ha.
Really?

https://www.electoralcommission.org....unts-published
2016
Party........................Income.........Expend iture

Labour Party.............£49,840,000...£43,324,000

Conservative Party....£28,303,000....£27,756,000

Osem 26-11-2017 09:50
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Labour not as rich blah blah blah. Are they really telling us they can't afford to pay a few call centre workers the rate they just love to tell the world they're going to demand other companies/organisations do? They have plenty of money to pay all their staff the wage they say they aspire to for everyone and provide the job security/working conditions they scream out loud they are committed to at every opportunity. I thought Labour were above all that. That's their USP isn't it? Putting people first, not money and profit first?? That's what nasty evil greedy Tories and the likes of Sports Direct do isn't it? Well it turns out it's what Labour does too... Quelle surprise! :rolleyes:

The truth is Labour self righteously preach one thing whilst all the time, and quite knowingly, doing the other - always have, always will.

Mr K 26-11-2017 10:06
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35926415)
That's what nasty evil greedy Tories and the likes of Sports Direct do isn't it? Well it turns out it's what Labour does too... Quelle surprise! :rolleyes:
So what you're saying is the Tories are as bad as the nasty, evil, hypocritical, greedy, usual suspect cronies in the Labour party?? Very cynical and depressing, who does that leave us with?

Cheer up ! we've got another 20 years or stagnant wages and austerity thanks to this Govts failure to get the economy going.

(ps keep taking the happy pills ;) )

Mick 26-11-2017 12:30
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35926419)
So what you're saying is the Tories are as bad as the nasty, evil, hypocritical, greedy, usual suspect cronies in the Labour party?? Very cynical and depressing, who does that leave us with?

Cheer up ! we've got another 20 years or stagnant wages and austerity thanks to this Govts failure to get the economy going.

(ps keep taking the happy pills ;) )
I wish you would take some happy pills....you need them, the diagnosis is, it’s all doom and gloom with you. Thankfully, most gloomy predictions you’ve spouted have been totally wrong. EU Nationals not leaving in droves and they’re not leaving NHS employment either and there has not been a recession in 2017, like you said there would be.

But frankly, you’re over exaggerating, in the negative as usual, but I’d rather have control than clueless idiots such as McDonnell, holding the purse strings. Labour would send our country to ruin with their, let’s share the wealth equally with everyone because that’s worked wonders for Venezuela. :rolleyes:

Osem 26-11-2017 16:55
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926436)
I wish you would take some happy pills....you need them, the diagnosis is, it’s all doom and gloom with you. Thankfully, most gloomy predictions you’ve spouted have been totally wrong. EU Nationals not leaving in droves and they’re not leaving NHS employment either and there has not been a recession in 2017, like you said there would be.

But frankly, you’re over exaggerating, in the negative as usual, but I’d rather have control than clueless idiots such as McDonnell, holding the purse strings. Labour would send our country to ruin with their, let’s share the wealth equally with everyone because that’s worked wonders for Venezuela. :rolleyes:
Yet we're still all waiting for a list of all those super successful socialist paradises the Corbynites like to con those who're easily convinced into believing they actually exist. Talk about delusional... :rofl:

Mick 26-11-2017 21:30
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Feel free to resubmit your post Mr K, without the childish dig this time. Members have been told to stop using childish digs.

TheDaddy 26-11-2017 21:42
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926436)
I wish you would take some happy pills....you need them, the diagnosis is, it’s all doom and gloom with you. Thankfully, most gloomy predictions you’ve spouted have been totally wrong. EU Nationals not leaving in droves and they’re not leaving NHS employment either and there has not been a recession in 2017, like you said there would be.

But frankly, you’re over exaggerating, in the negative as usual, but I’d rather have control than clueless idiots such as McDonnell, holding the purse strings. Labour would send our country to ruin with their, let’s share the wealth equally with everyone because that’s worked wonders for Venezuela. :rolleyes:
Hmm having a go at someone for making gloomy predictions in one breath and then making one in the next breath :spin:

I've got a prediction, it doesn't make a difference which one of them is in charge, business will adapt and make the best of it and trundle along for the vast majority same as before, same as with brexit, we'll make the best of it in spite of any obstacles our so called leaders put in our path and here's another prediction, they'll take the credit for it eventually, doesn't matter if they screw it up royally, eventually we'll come through and then it'll all be thanks to them.

Mick 26-11-2017 21:49
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35926490)
Hmm having a go at someone for making gloomy predictions in one breath and then making one in the next breath :spin:

I've got a prediction, it doesn't make a difference which one of them is in charge, business will adapt and make the best of it and trundle along for the vast majority same as before.
No it won’t, socialism does not work, that is not a prediction, it is not doom and gloom, it’s reality, go look at Venezuela for an example as to why it does not work! :rolleyes:

Mr K 26-11-2017 21:54
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926489)
Feel free to resubmit your post Mr K, without the childish dig this time. Members have been told to stop using childish digs.
Don't think I'll bother Mick ! I know alternative views aren't welcome in the CF echo chamber and by deleting my post you've proved the point ! ;)
Love and kisses, as always, Mr K

Mick 26-11-2017 22:00
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35926493)
Don't think I'll bother Mick ! I know alternative views aren't welcome in the CF echo chamber and by deleting my post you've proved the point ! ;)
Love and kisses, as always, Mr K
All Rubbish, I deleted your post because you were acting childish.

1andrew1 27-11-2017 00:15
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926491)
No it won’t, socialism does not work, that is not a prediction, it is not doom and gloom, it’s reality, go look at Venezuela for an example as to why it does not work! :rolleyes:
I'm no fan of Corbyn's but his policies are not the same as Venezuela's.

denphone 27-11-2017 05:25
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926491)
No it won’t, socialism does not work, that is not a prediction, it is not doom and gloom, it’s reality, go look at Venezuela for an example as to why it does not work! :rolleyes:
Very true Socialism does not work but one does not need to be Einstein to see unfettered Capitalism does not work neither..

TheDaddy 27-11-2017 08:10
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926491)
No it won’t, socialism does not work, that is not a prediction, it is not doom and gloom, it’s reality, go look at Venezuela for an example as to why it does not work! :rolleyes:
Venezuela, who looks at Venezuela for anything, the only thing that separates them from other dirt poor South American countries is by lucky chance they found some oil when it was at it's costliest, it accounts for 100% of it's exports iirc, you put all your eggs in one basket like that and it's only ever going to end in disaster. Rather than going and looking at Venezuela I'd rather look at countries closer to home, similar to ourselves, like Scandinavia, there is something of a Nordic myth that they're completely socialist but they're a lot closer to it than not or Portugal that actually has socialist state written into it's constitution, again iirc.

Imo the best way is to take the best bits of both worlds and cobble it together to suit our own needs, ideology benefits no one.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35926515)
Very true Socialism does not work but one does not need to be Einstein to see unfettered Capitalism does not work neither..
I dont think there is a country that completely uses capitalism, America only does when trampling on its poor, they love a tartif or isolationist policy, not really letting the market decide is it. In fact I think we are one of the most capitalist countries going, we'll allow anything to be sold to the highest bidder but we keep the nhs, another anathema and where does it get us, we certainly don't seem as happy as our Nordic chums in happiness surveys and the like

Mick 27-11-2017 08:12
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35926515)
Very true Socialism does not work but one does not need to be Einstein to see unfettered Capitalism does not work neither..
I don’t agree. There is no middle ground.

People should work and strive to better themselves, but under socialist terms, they would not need to bother, everyone is treated equally, wealth is shared.

People start to fall into a permanent lazy mode, because it won’t matter, they will be looked after, but at a detrimental cost. Advanced people skills drop, people over time drop out of the skill mix career pool, teachers, doctors etc, vacancies increase tenfold, because nobody is qualified to fill the positions, but why bother to work harder, to better one self, because the lazy person down the road doesn’t need to, but shares in the same wealth, the system that keeps civilisation ticking over begins to fall apart, end result, it’s Venezuela MK II, people going hungry, government becomes a dictatorship, the country becomes isolated from rest of the world.

Mr K 27-11-2017 08:27
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926529)
, end result, it’s Venezuela MK II, people going hungry, government becomes a dictatorship, the country becomes isolated from rest of the world.
Mmm, what next ? food banks ? Brexit ? This sounds a nightmare ! :rolleyes:

Mick 27-11-2017 08:50
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35926530)
Mmm, what next ? food banks ? Brexit ? This sounds a nightmare ! :rolleyes:
Oh, hello Mr K, that was a short exodus from this so called echo chamber, come back to kiss and make up, that goodnight kiss you gave was a bit of a wet one last night LOL ? :D

Btw, the UK will not be isolated post Brexit. Venezuela’s isolation is due to the Country holding an illegal referendum that’s given the President totalitarian Authority.

Osem 27-11-2017 12:05
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35926515)
Very true Socialism does not work but one does not need to be Einstein to see unfettered Capitalism does not work neither..
We're not living under unfettered capitalism or anything like it. ;)

ianch99 28-11-2017 15:34
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926529)
I don’t agree. There is no middle ground.

People should work and strive to better themselves, but under socialist terms, they would not need to bother, everyone is treated equally, wealth is shared.

People start to fall into a permanent lazy mode, because it won’t matter, they will be looked after, but at a detrimental cost. Advanced people skills drop, people over time drop out of the skill mix career pool, teachers, doctors etc, vacancies increase tenfold, because nobody is qualified to fill the positions, but why bother to work harder, to better one self, because the lazy person down the road doesn’t need to, but shares in the same wealth, the system that keeps civilisation ticking over begins to fall apart, end result, it’s Venezuela MK II, people going hungry, government becomes a dictatorship, the country becomes isolated from rest of the world.
Total claptrap. Reducing the choice of a political system to a cartoon, child-like comparison is laughable.

There is a whole range of choices on the political spectrum between the regime you claim to represent Socialism and the right of centre future we are sliding towards. The Nordic Model offers some good policy choices ...

Damien 28-11-2017 15:59
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926529)
I don’t agree. There is no middle ground.
But there clearly is. A lot of countries have some degree of social ownership or socialist ideas.

That said no one really seems to define socialism in the same way. The Americans seem to think anyone and everything is socialist.

Gavin78 28-11-2017 16:15
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Well the current models they've used to test the banks if Brexit takes the hard route seems to have shown we can stand it.

Means room to invest at home in our own manufacturing industry thus creating more jobs. the only problem we have is another GE in 2019

Osem 28-11-2017 16:21
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35926702)
Well the current models they've used to test the banks if Brexit takes the hard route seems to have shown we can stand it.

Means room to invest at home in our own manufacturing industry thus creating more jobs. the only problem we have is another GE in 2019
Yes good news but I wouldn't be surprised if someone pops along shortly to say completely the opposite and we're all doomed... :rofl:

Mr K 28-11-2017 16:32
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35926702)
Well the current models they've used to test the banks if Brexit takes the hard route seems to have shown we can stand it.
Why should the Banks have to withstand anything ? Clearly Brexit is going to be of huge benefit, not some oncoming economic disaster where aim is to just survive ?
(however think you've posted on the wrong thread ;) )

denphone 28-11-2017 16:36
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35926702)
Well the current models they've used to test the banks if Brexit takes the hard route seems to have shown we can stand it.

Means room to invest at home in our own manufacturing industry thus creating more jobs. the only problem we have is another GE in 2019
This explains in some detail about the rise and fall of British manufacturing especially the much more detailed first link.

https://www.cbr.cam.ac.uk/fileadmin/...pers/wp459.pdf

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture...strial-decline

https://www.ft.com/content/9fd4ab50-...7-a121aa8abd95

Damien 28-11-2017 17:16
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35926702)
Well the current models they've used to test the banks if Brexit takes the hard route seems to have shown we can stand it.

Means room to invest at home in our own manufacturing industry thus creating more jobs. the only problem we have is another GE in 2019
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35926704)
Yes good news but I wouldn't be surprised if someone pops along shortly to say completely the opposite and we're all doomed... :rofl:
One thing about Brexit is that it does make Corbyn's vision easier to achieve. If Brexit requires us to change how we approach the economy then he has the space to argue for his vision.

As for manufacturing China are still there, even with the weaker pound it's a difficult battle to win. The service industry was working out well for us.

Gavin78 28-11-2017 19:41
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35926707)
Why should the Banks have to withstand anything ? Clearly Brexit is going to be of huge benefit, not some oncoming economic disaster where aim is to just survive ?
(however think you've posted on the wrong thread ;) )

Think you are getting me confused I'm all for brexit and I haven't posted in the wrong thread.

I never said it was going to be an economic disaster either I'll leave that to the remainers. It was posted in this thread because it's post election, better the banks are ready and shows the current government are at least doing something. Given that Corbyn would have been let in the banks wouldn't have been ready the money would have funded the increase in living wage for the lazy benefit claimants that see dole as a way to live.

I'm more bothered about another GE so soon after leaving (better that May doesn't leave us in the tripe like Cameron did)

pip08456 28-11-2017 20:10
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35926707)
Why should the Banks have to withstand anything ? Clearly Brexit is going to be of huge benefit, not some oncoming economic disaster where aim is to just survive ?
(however think you've posted on the wrong thread ;) )
Of course banks shouldn't have to withstand anything. Just like the Government shouldn't spend billions bailing them out. Let the buggers go bust!

Mr K 28-11-2017 20:40
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35926742)
Of course banks shouldn't have to withstand anything. Just like the Government shouldn't spend billions bailing them out. Let the buggers go bust!
And where would that leave us? All bust too...

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35926740)
Think you are getting me confused I'm all for brexit and I haven't posted in the wrong thread.
Sorry, I was being a bit 'tongue in cheek'.

Remoaner & Proud ( and right,, as time will tell...;))

pip08456 28-11-2017 21:00
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35926748)
And where would that leave us? All bust too...
Bailing them out was the main cause of the austerity we are still suffering from.

Mick 29-11-2017 10:26
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35926753)
Bailing them out was the main cause of the austerity we are still suffering from.
Exactly, another Labour beauty. Northern Rock...... :rolleyes:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35926748)

Remoaner & Proud ( and right,, as time will tell...;))
So far, ‘time and tell’ has told us you’ve been far from right... Let’s go over what you have got wrong so far....
  • UK recession in 2017. Did not happen.
  • Mass Exodus of EU Nationals leaving Britain. Official Immigration Figures says it increased, not decreased.
  • Mass Exodus of EU Nationals leaving NHS. NHS digital figures, quoted by Spectator, dictate, more EU Nationals are working in NHS since the referendum.
  • Stock market collapse. FTSE 100 has reached record levels.

Mr K 29-11-2017 11:43
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35926799)
Exactly, another Labour beauty. Northern Rock...... :rolleyes:

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So far, ‘time and tell’ has told us you’ve been far from right... Let’s go over what you have got wrong so far....
  • UK recession in 2017. Did not happen.
  • Mass Exodus of EU Nationals leaving Britain. Official Immigration Figures says it increased, not decreased.
  • Mass Exodus of EU Nationals leaving NHS. NHS digital figures, quoted by Spectator, dictate, more EU Nationals are working in NHS since the referendum.
  • Stock market collapse. FTSE 100 has reached record levels.
As you keep being told Mick, Brexit hasn't happened yet...
However the mere mention of it has caused us to have the slowest growth in the EU.
The stock market boom has been down to the weak pound since the Brexit vote. It's correct I didn't forecast the collapse in sterling, if I did I would have bought lots of Euros and now be very rich ! (ho, hum....)

As for staff leaving the NHS, I wouldn't necessarily take the right wing Spectator as an independent source.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41556997 (yes, sorry i know the BBC are a bunch of commies...)
Quote:
The proportion of EU nationals leaving jobs in the NHS is rising, while the share of those joining is shrinking.
The BBC analysed NHS Digital figures, which showed the trend in England over the past two-and-a-half years.
Health experts say the UK's decision to leave the European Union in June 2016 was behind the trend.


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Mick 29-11-2017 12:26
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35926815)
As you keep being told Mick, Brexit hasn't happened yet...
Always the same answer, but historical posts don’t tell lies, you have said many things, the stuff I bullet pointed, as if they have or are happening now.

2017 is happening now.

You have said the exodus of EU Nationals is happening now...

Saying ‘Brexit has happened yet’ is a bit of a cop out. ;)

Btw it’s not brexit that’s causing slow growth, it’s the uncertainty surrounding Brexit that is, because of the delay tactics being done to stop a Democratic decision.

Osem 29-11-2017 14:12
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Tulip Siddiq seems happy to intervene to help some people but not others. I wonder why...

https://www.channel4.com/news/tulip-...-to-government

She seems to have a very poor memory when it suits.

Osem 29-11-2017 21:39
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More anti-semitism in the Labour Party:

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/l...posts-1.449293

Where's Shami when you meed her?

heero_yuy 01-12-2017 10:00
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
The Government borrowing any more money could cause the UK's economy to collapse in the same way as Venezuela's, a senior Bank of England official has warned.

Richard Sharp, a member of the Bank's Bank’s Financial Stability Committee, claimed an extra £1trillion had already been borrowed since the 2008 financial crisis.

Mr Sharp claimed that taking any more cash could see UK ending up like Venezuela, which has been thrown into turmoil by its economic crisis, The Times reported.

The stark warning comes days after Philip Hammond announced a £25 billion spending spree in the Budget.

It's likely to dissuade the Chancellor from loosening the purse strings too far, since the Bank rarely comments on Government finances.

It could also come as a wake up call for Labour, which is advocating borrowing an extra £250 billion.
Source

Alt Source ;)

If our current borrowing during "austerity" is untennable then Labour's plans must be reckless.

Mr K 01-12-2017 10:05
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42151148
Quote:
A former Scotland Yard detective has told BBC News he was "shocked" by the amount of pornography viewed on a computer seized from the Commons office of senior Tory MP Damian Green.
Neil Lewis examined the device during a 2008 inquiry into government leaks and has not spoken publicly before.
He said "thousands" of thumbnail images of legal pornography were on it.
Mr Green, Theresa May's deputy, has said he never watched or downloaded pornography on the computer.
But Mr Lewis said a check of the computer's internet history over a three-month period showed pornography had been viewed "extensively".

..."The computer was in Mr Green's office, on his desk, logged in, his account, his name," said Mr Lewis, who at the time was working as a computer forensics examiner for SO15, the counter-terrorism command.
"In between browsing pornography, he was sending emails from his account, his personal account, reading documents... it was ridiculous to suggest anybody else could have done it."
Another Minister whose days are numbered. None of what he's alleged to have viewed is illegal, but how come they have so much spare time to do it ? They need to check whether some of these ministers actually do anything.

heero_yuy 01-12-2017 10:45
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
If the misdemeanour don't get you the cover-up will.

Wait 'til May has to say he has her fullest confidence. Then you'll know he's doomed.

Mick 01-12-2017 10:57
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Morgan Stanley, attacked Corbyn stating A Corbyn led Labour Government is more dangerous than Brexit. Corbyn has rebuked this attack by saying, they will be dangerous because the current banking system is ‘rigged’ for the few.

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-co...nkers-11150647

Osem 01-12-2017 11:08
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35927076)
Source

Alt Source ;)

If our current borrowing during "austerity" is untennable then Labour's plans must be reckless.
When was it ever different? HMG is saddled with massive debt repayments inherited from Labour as will be the next government. Labour's stock answer appears to be to spend more... :spin:

---------- Post added at 11:08 ---------- Previous post was at 11:04 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35927087)
Morgan Stanley, attacked Corbyn stating A Corbyn led Labour Government is more dangerous than Brexit. Corbyn has rebuked this attack by saying, they will be dangerous because the current banking system is ‘rigged’ for the few.

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-co...nkers-11150647
Quelle surprise. When it suits bankers are their best friends and we need to protect them from Brexit damage, then they play the greedy bankers card yet again. Pathetic.

There's a good many people who're truly deluded about what Corbyn and McDonnell (via Seumas Milne) represent. God forbid they ever get to learn the hard way.

Mick 01-12-2017 11:33
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
The pound will drop substantially if Corbyn walks through number 10.

Mr K 01-12-2017 13:10
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35927095)
The pound will drop substantially if Corbyn walks through number 10.
It hasn't got that much further to drop Mick, thanks to the Brexit effect.

1andrew1 01-12-2017 13:34
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35927087)
Morgan Stanley, attacked Corbyn stating A Corbyn led Labour Government is more dangerous than Brexit. Corbyn has rebuked this attack by saying, they will be dangerous because the current banking system is ‘rigged’ for the few.

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-co...nkers-11150647
At least you are starting to implicitly acknowledge that Brexit is dangerous. If the Government doesn't get its act together over Ireland then we will get a chance to see if Morgan Stanley is right!

Mick 01-12-2017 14:42
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35927109)
At least you are starting to implicitly acknowledge that Brexit is dangerous. If the Government doesn't get its act together over Ireland then we will get a chance to see if Morgan Stanley is right!
I’m not implicitly acknowledging it, I’m quoting what Morgan Stanley are saying.

OLD BOY 02-12-2017 10:29
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35927104)
It hasn't got that much further to drop Mick, thanks to the Brexit effect.
Have you taken a look at what happened to the currency in Venezuala? That's Corbyn's model, it would appear.

---------- Post added at 10:29 ---------- Previous post was at 10:26 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35927109)
At least you are starting to implicitly acknowledge that Brexit is dangerous. If the Government doesn't get its act together over Ireland then we will get a chance to see if Morgan Stanley is right!
Dangerous, Andrew? Is this Project Even More Fear?

Perhaps we should tell all those countries who are not in the EU how much danger they are in. Ridiculous!

1andrew1 02-12-2017 11:08
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
This is a bit of a strange situation. We now have two police officers making these allegations. I imagine the Sunday newspapers will have something to say about it tomorrow. I guess at worst, Green may have broken some codes of conducts in the past but why are these policemen highlighting it now?
Quote:
David Davis made clear he was ready to quit the Cabinet if Damian Green was unfairly fired over allegations of porn and inappropriate behaviour, it was revealed today.
Sources said the Brexit Secretary had “put his cloak around” the embattled Mr Green in an effort to toughen Theresa May’s resolve to defend her deputy.
The disclosure came as a retired Scotland Yard detective alleged that “thousands” of pornographic images were found on Mr Green’s computer in 2008.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3707546.html

Osem 02-12-2017 14:24
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35927227)
Have you taken a look at what happened to the currency in Venezuala? That's Corbyn's model, it would appear.

---------- Post added at 10:29 ---------- Previous post was at 10:26 ----------


Dangerous, Andrew? Is this Project Even More Fear?

Perhaps we should tell all those countries who are not in the EU how much danger they are in. Ridiculous!
:tu:

Hasn't got much further to drop? What a crock of rose tinted BS...

Hugh 02-12-2017 17:15
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35927234)
This is a bit of a strange situation. We now have two police officers making these allegations. I imagine the Sunday newspapers will have something to say about it tomorrow. I guess at worst, Green may have broken some codes of conducts in the past but why are these policemen highlighting it now?

Quote:
David Davis made clear he was ready to quit the Cabinet if Damian Green was unfairly fired over allegations of porn and inappropriate behaviour, it was revealed today.
Sources said the Brexit Secretary had “put his cloak around” the embattled Mr Green in an effort to toughen Theresa May’s resolve to defend her deputy.
The disclosure came as a retired Scotland Yard detective alleged that “thousands” of pornographic images were found on Mr Green’s computer in 2008.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3707546.html
Well, we all thought they were a bunch of onanists, anyway...

However, Matthew Parris raised a number of relevant points in his Times column yesterday
Quote:
The media and political world is in a lather about whether the (now) de facto deputy prime minister once accessed pornography in his office. Here I am, fretting — some will say nitpicking — about whether it was appropriate for a now-retired Metropolitan Police officer (1) to have gathered and kept what he claims to be the evidence for these allegations, though there is no suggestion the law was broken; (2) to have disobeyed orders by keeping the evidence; and (3) nine years later to have put the allegations into the public domain.

My acquaintance with Damian Green is slight. He strikes me as one of those necessary second-rank men (in a world of third and fourth-rank men) who combine a useful level-headedness with a dispiriting blandness: podgy and unflappable, with the advantage at least — a quality in a Tory MP to be fallen on with relief — of not being mad. So my strong sense of injustice in this case has little to do with the merits of Mr Green and everything to do with what looks like a co-ordinated police vendetta against a politician they’ve clashed with.

Be clear: all sides agree that none of the alleged material was illegal, and his accusers have withdrawn any claim it was “extreme”. Nobody is suggesting this was anything other than mainstream internet porn of the kind millions of men, probably most men, many journalists and many policemen, have accessed. There is a debate about pornography and the law but the fact remains: if Mr Green did what the police alleged (and he denies) he would have broken no law. Yet, now he is wounded, they close in on him.

This is outrageous. It reads like a low-grade mafia story: collecting and keeping dirt on somebody in case it should come in useful one day. Jim Waterson, the politics editor for Buzzfeed News, tweeted his response to the BBC report this week: “The headline on this Damian Green story should be ‘The police don’t delete your data when ordered to do so and are liable to leak details of the legal porn they found in order to embarrass you’.” I could hardly put it better, except in this regard: what’s happening is not an attempt to embarrass Green. It’s a naked attempt to destroy him.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...reen-wxr296jgd

(Behind paywall)

OLD BOY 02-12-2017 18:28
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
I agree. This is simply revenge for Damian Green's skirmish with these police officers at the time.

I love the comparison with the mafia! They say that criminals and the police have a similar mindset, don't they?

richard s 02-12-2017 19:42
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Dam it another Tory has escaped.

Osem 02-12-2017 20:23
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35927290)
I agree. This is simply revenge for Damian Green's skirmish with these police officers at the time.

I love the comparison with the mafia! They say that criminals and the police have a similar mindset, don't they?
10 years on - it all seems rather convenient to me...

Hugh 02-12-2017 20:44
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35927294)
Dam it another Tory has escaped.
Escaped what?

Which law did he break?

denphone 02-12-2017 20:52
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Despite not being a great fan of him he broke no laws like the millions out there who look at the same type material.

1andrew1 02-12-2017 21:15
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35927298)
Escaped what?

Which law did he break?
The status quo can't continue. Either the ex-police officers get charged for leaking confidential information or Damian Green gets charged for an offence.

Osem 02-12-2017 21:42
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
What Den said. :tu:

I reckon there's a great many police officers, Labour politicians and pious civil servants and CF members even who've viewed soft porn but of course, for some, this isn't the time to admit it that it's not the crime of the century even if it's true and there's no proof it is...

---------- Post added at 21:42 ---------- Previous post was at 21:38 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35927298)
Escaped what?

Which law did he break?
He's clearly a nasty, evil, Tory and as such that's all the 'proof' required by lefty hypocrites who wouldn't know how to be honest about this if their lives depended on it. Political points make prizes you see...

Damien 02-12-2017 21:46
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
I think he means avoided being fired rather than being arrested.

TheDaddy 03-12-2017 08:39
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35927298)
Escaped what?

Which law did he break?
The one that says don't have pornography on your work computer. I was just about to post that I felt he had been hung out to dry but my boss would go mad if he found porn on my work computer, he may even fire me if he's in a bad mood and I simply tried to deny it was me, even taking out how unprofessional it is, he has allowed his computer to be exposed to whatever viruses or nasties are embedded in the grot to, God only knows what confidential government information has been compromised. I wonder what your boss would say Hugh if he found it on yours or more interestingly what you would do if it was found on someone you manages machine?

Hugh 03-12-2017 09:37
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
I would discipline them (and actually have done so in the past - but not fired them) - but that’s breaking a workplace policy (if there was one in place), not breaking the law.

However, what we wouldn’t have been allowed to do, as it would be an abuse of process and would have invalidated the disciplinary process, was find out information as part of another investigation, not say anything about it, leave the job, and then make that information public a number of years later.

That would breach the Data Protection Act, and the contract of confidentiality I had signed when I was employed.

TheDaddy 03-12-2017 20:33
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35927316)
I would discipline them (and actually have done so in the past - but not fired them) - but that’s breaking a workplace policy (if there was one in place), not breaking the law.

However, what we wouldn’t have been allowed to do, as it would be an abuse of process and would have invalidated the disciplinary process, was find out information as part of another investigation, not say anything about it, leave the job, and then make that information public a number of years later.

That would breach the Data Protection Act, and the contract of confidentiality I had signed when I was employed.
I did actually come on here to say imo he'd been hung it to dry by amongst others 2 already discredited former police officers over something that happened years ago but was frankly a tiny bit annoyed by some of the comments not only excusing him but saying it's okay because many other people do it and their all hypocrites, what possessed me to take him of ignore I'll never know. Besides which its he's not in a normal workplace, he compromised highly sensitive information on a computer paid for in part by you and I, the more I think about it the worse this sounds, to me anyway.

OLD BOY 05-12-2017 16:42
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35927301)
The status quo can't continue. Either the ex-police officers get charged for leaking confidential information or Damian Green gets charged for an offence.
But there is no offence!

Osem 05-12-2017 17:00
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35927579)
But there is no offence!
Correct but don't let that mere detail get in the way of the argument eh? If there was an offence and the police knew all about it but did nothing that wouldn't too good would it.

1andrew1 06-12-2017 22:14
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35927579)
But there is no offence!
So why haven't the ex-police officers been charged with breach of confidence then?

Hugh 07-12-2017 13:33
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35927772)
So why haven't the ex-police officers been charged with breach of confidence then?
That's the question that is being asked...

Let's see if anything happens with this...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-over-porn-row
Quote:
Damian Green, Theresa May’s close ally, is facing possible legal action after accusing a former senior police officer of lying about pornography on the MP’s personal computer.

Bob Quick, the former Metropolitan police assistant commissioner, has demanded that the first secretary of state publicly retract the “deeply hurtful allegations” or be dragged before the courts...

...Lewis and Quick’s intervention prompted Cressida Dick, the Met’s commissioner, to say that former officers who speak out about investigations could face prosecution.

Asked to respond to Quick’s comments, a spokesperson for Green said: “It would be inappropriate for Mr Green to comment while the Cabinet Office inquiry is ongoing and while the Metropolitan police is investigating the conduct of former officers.”

heero_yuy 07-12-2017 14:25
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
PHILIP Hammond has suggested Britain’s sluggish productivity is partly down to having more disabled people in the workforce.

The Chancellor has been blasted for the comments, labelled “totally unacceptable and derogatory” by disability campaigners.

While speaking to MPs at the treasury select committee yesterday he was asked about the low levels of economic productivity he spoke about during his Budget speech last month.

But his response has caused uproar, and has seen Mr Hammond accused of pushing “outdated negative stereotypes”.
Source

Gaffe prone Hammond at his worst. :(

Engage brain before opening mouth.

heero_yuy 08-12-2017 09:41
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
The Jeremy Corbyn-supporting group Momentum is being investigated by the Electoral Commission over spending during June's election.

Officials will look into whether the grassroots campaign group, which evolved from Mr Corbyn's successful Labour leadership bid in 2015, breached spending rules.

Momentum was a registered non-party campaigner at this year's snap General Election, and the Electoral Commission is investigating the organisation's activities in the run-up to the vote.

The probe will look at whether Momentum broke spending limits, failed to include accurate donation information, submitted an incomplete statement of payments, and did not disclose all invoices for payments of more than £200.

The Electoral Commission said there is a possibility their investigation could also identify other potential rule breaches.
Source

Mick 08-12-2017 10:41
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35927847)
Source

Gaffe prone Hammond at his worst. :(

Engage brain before opening mouth.
He has been doing that a lot recently. But that was a disgusting remark.

1andrew1 13-12-2017 21:51
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
"Stephen Hammond - a leading Tory rebel in tonight's vote - has been sacked as Vice Chairman of the Conservative Party."
https://news.sky.com/story/live-gove...efeat-11169348

Mick 13-12-2017 22:30
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Of course. You cannot expect to be in such a position and vote against their own party which is in government.

denphone 14-12-2017 05:16
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35928730)
Of course. You cannot expect to be in such a position and vote against their own party which is in government.
But don't you like politicians who show the courage of their convictions Mick?.

OLD BOY 14-12-2017 07:46
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35928754)
But don't you like politicians who show the courage of their convictions Mick?.
Certainly not when it is against the wishes of the electorate, old chap. ;)

denphone 14-12-2017 12:04
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35928760)
Certainly not when it is against the wishes of the electorate, old chap. ;)
No doubt the UK political parties have great experience of that judging by the many broken promises of the last 40 years..

richard s 15-12-2017 10:44
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Cannot wait until we sack all the rest of the Tory's.

OLD BOY 15-12-2017 11:14
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35928955)
Cannot wait until we sack all the rest of the Tory's.
Be careful what you wish for, richard. A Corbyn government would be disastrous, and guess who would suffer the most?

Clue: Venezuala.

1andrew1 16-12-2017 08:55
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35928959)
Be careful what you wish for, richard. A Corbyn government would be disastrous, and guess who would suffer the most?
Tax-dodgers?

heero_yuy 16-12-2017 09:44
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35929126)
Tax-dodgers?
No. The people with sky high interest rates, plummeting pound, rampant inflation, mass unemployment and industrial collapse.

But the socialista will have a warm fuzzy feeling of high taxes on the "rich" who will have fled the country like happened in France.

papa smurf 16-12-2017 10:16
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35929129)
No. The people with sky high interest rates, plummeting pound, rampant inflation, mass unemployment and industrial collapse.

But the socialista will have a warm fuzzy feeling of high taxes on the "rich" who will have fled the country like happened in France.
assuming the commutards don't have them shot .;)

OLD BOY 16-12-2017 12:53
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35929136)
assuming the commutards don't have them shot .;)
Well, that will put an end to the taxation of the rich, if there's nobody worth anything to be taxed! Great plan....

1andrew1 16-12-2017 13:04
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Good news that we're monitoring such organisations
Quote:
Security minister Ben Wallace has warned that far-right extremists in the UK are adopting the same grooming methods previously used by Islamist groups to radicalise people.
The minister, who is responsible for counter-terrorism, said there is a danger that far-right and Islamist extremists antagonise and feed off each other’s activity in order to increase conflict.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8114071.html

TheDaddy 16-12-2017 20:58
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35929129)
No. The people with sky high interest rates, plummeting pound, rampant inflation, mass unemployment and industrial collapse.

But the socialista will have a warm fuzzy feeling of high taxes on the "rich" who will have fled the country like happened in France.
Sounds like project fear.

Osem 17-12-2017 08:07
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35928959)
Be careful what you wish for, richard. A Corbyn government would be disastrous, and guess who would suffer the most?

Clue: Venezuala.
:tu:

Doesn't matter how many times they muck it up, some people still vote for them no matter what... :spin:

---------- Post added at 08:07 ---------- Previous post was at 08:05 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35929129)
No. The people with sky high interest rates, plummeting pound, rampant inflation, mass unemployment and industrial collapse.

But the socialista will have a warm fuzzy feeling of high taxes on the "rich" who will have fled the country like happened in France.
Correct and the champagne socialist elite will have their snouts in the trough just like the fat cats they say they despise. Utter hypocrites.

heero_yuy 17-12-2017 10:23
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35929185)
Sounds like project fear.
The difference being it would really happen.

TheDaddy 17-12-2017 17:52
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35929209)
The difference being it would really happen.
Meh heard it all before and it's bs, nothing would change for the vast majority of us no matter who was in power, what I know for certain is that I won't be voting for a party again that's main election strategy is to tell me how bad it'll be under them others over how good it'll be under their governance

Mick 20-12-2017 20:44
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
BREAKING: Damian Green has resigned as First Secretary of State.

Mr K 20-12-2017 20:53
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35929658)
BREAKING: Damian Green has resigned as First Secretary of State.
Why would he do that ? He's completely innocent ???

denphone 20-12-2017 20:56
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35929658)
BREAKING: Damian Green has resigned as First Secretary of State.
Quite surprised at that but perhaps there are things we don't know yet.

1andrew1 20-12-2017 21:01
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
When JC said that he would be Prime Minister in twelve months I thought he was joking. Maybe he knew something we didn't?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42411689
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35929659)
Why would he do that ? He's completely innocent ???
He was requested to by the PM as he broke ministerial code by giving inaccurate and misleading answers to a Commons enquiry.
Quote:
He quit after he was found to have made "inaccurate and misleading" statements about what he knew about claims pornography had been found on a computer in his Commons office in 2008...He denied suggestions that he made unwanted advances to a female journalist, Kate Maltby, in 2015 and viewed pornography on a computer in his Commons office in 2008...
An official report by the Cabinet Office found that statements he had made about being unaware pornographic material had been found on his computer were "inaccurate and misleading" and as such fell short of the ministerial code.
The report also found that although there were "competing and contradictory accounts of what were private meetings" between himself and Ms Maltby, "the investigation found Ms Maltby's account to be plausible".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42434802

Mr K 20-12-2017 21:06
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35929660)
Quite surprised at that but perhaps there are things we don't know yet.
He's broken the ministerial code of conduct apparently. ie. looking at porn in work time, and then lying about it. If only he could have waited till he got home....

1andrew1 20-12-2017 21:09
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35929666)
He's broken the ministerial code of conduct apparently. ie. looking at porn in work time, and then lying about it. If only he could have waited till he got home....
Will she bring back Tim and Fiona? Damian was meant to be the steady pair of hands.

Mick 20-12-2017 21:11
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35929661)
When JC said that he would be Prime Minister in twelve months I thought he was joking. Maybe he knew something we didn't?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42411689
He was requested to by the PM as he broke ministerial code by giving inaccurate and misleading answers to a Commons enquiry.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42434802
Just because a Minister resigns does not mean another one is required to be voted in or confirmed.

TM has plenty of other MPs to choose from to appoint First Minister, in all honesty the cabinet role is not necessary it's just another name for 'Deputy Prime Minister'.

denphone 20-12-2017 21:12
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35929667)
Will she bring back Tim and Fiona? Damian was meant to be the steady pair of hands.
Its no good having a safe pair of hands if one is holed below the waterline.

Mr K 20-12-2017 21:35
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Waiting for David Davis to resign, he promised to if Green went.....

1andrew1 20-12-2017 21:37
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
I did think that Theresa May's statement about delaying Brexit in exceptional circumstances might come into play now... but she's lost at least one other minister who lied and broke ministerial code as well so I guess not. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3724196.html

---------- Post added at 21:37 ---------- Previous post was at 21:36 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35929678)
Waiting for David Davis to resign, he promised to if Green went.....
lol, that promise is as honest as the day is long tomorrow!


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