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It's Corbyn and his 'confusion' about his support for the IRA and whether he supported the ceasefire.

https://order-order.com/2017/05/31/t...ira-ceasefire/

This says it all really. Rtaher than being the honest, open, straightforward chap he's fooled some folks into believing he is, Corbyn has consistently lied and equivocated about this. He does not have the UK's interests at heart and cannot be trusted.

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He can be trusted to bother turning up tonight unlike the PM in hiding.

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The issue with TV debates is, that unless someone is an undecided, it's pointless watching them, people who have made their minds up usually are still loyal to their voting intention.

All tonight will be, is a cat fight. It's a hideous arrangement.

I think it is a mistake for May not to attend, but I still forgive her.

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I think TV debates are a waste of time, good for television but a bad way of deciding elections. That said it's poor for May not to turn up just looks bad.

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I do not trust him with anything. Not with his and his cronies shady pasts with the IRA.

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Yeah I agree. People usually say their side won and even for the few undecideds I don't think they will be swayed by a debate.

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She might change her mind you know ;)

Brexit - was Remain, now a Leaver
National Insurance increase - oooh, I've changed my mind
Social Care cap - there will be no cap, oh go on then !
Debate tonight - definitely not, ummm then again....

Bet the EU are quaking in their boots waiting for this hard as nails negotiator :D

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Amazing really when she is expected to win by a landslide.:td:

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Cameron did not attend one or more of them in 2015, he still got his party through the door of no. 10 and the polls before this were saying it would be a hung Parliament or Labour would win.... what a farce those polls turned out to be.

I find them pointless. She should go, but I have no issues with her not going to them.

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It does contradict her so called strong and stable leadership image which we have heard so much about in the campaign as if she is so strong and stable then she should not be turning them down IMO as l am certainly no lover of Jeremy Corbyn as he is nowhere near PM quality but it seems its Theresa May and her campaign team that are the ones that are rattled and disorganised currently it seems.

So you don't think it will be the predicted landslide which many of the so called experts predict Mick?.

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I think the Tories will hit a 100 seat majority.

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l predict between 60 and 100 but then again l am a horse racing tipster and not a election poll tipster.;)

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I am still optimistic May still wins, given the absolute dire choice of the alternative.

I am even prepared to say, I would accept a Lib Dem government more than a IRAbour one. I am saying this even though Lib's are no fans of Brexit, but a Corbyn/Momentum run government would be shambolic.

That said, I feel you're being more optimistic than me with 100 seats. I hope you are right. :D

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I just pray that the SNP don't enter some sort of coalition government....

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Not a hope in hell....

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I predict a much lower majority

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Examples of the strong and stable leadership she wants us to vote her in for, she's as deluded as that dopey non entity kipper

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You better talk to Mick as l am sure he will give you good betting odds on what the majority may be.:)

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Is anyone else watching this cat fight on BBC1 ?

I thought Corbyn was suppose to be this hard and tough at debating?

I see sweat pouring from him already.

But the format is horrible, they are just shouting at each other.

You did right thing staying away May.

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Have a listen to Abbott lying about her lack of understanding of the numbers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCiNv3sQW3w

Labour truly are the party of liars.

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7 people is far too much. I think the damage for May is the story of her not turning up rather than anything that could happen in the debate.

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Puts them in good company with most of Parliament tbh.

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Just switched it on. Lots of shouting from lots of losers.

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Indeed the perception of her not being there will resonant quite a bit with some of the public.

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I see the momentum goons are in the audience.

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If we patiently wait enough for it we might actually get a politician who actually tells the truth in time but don't count on it.

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Good grief. The audience has been thoroughly stacked.

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Them are the Cons clapping Corbyn, Chris.

seems everyone is clapping Corbyn.

He's won it.

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I can't wait for the day after the election, when you'll be proved wrong ... again.

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The audience does seem out of whack. By the polling around 30% should have been Tories but I also saw suggestions it was 1/7th of each party although that seems unlikely. It's possible that they're just more vocal but it's also possible momentum-types know where these audiences are selected from and lie to the pollsters, after all how would you verify who someone really supports?

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Crivvens, Leanne Wood really needs to get that permanent smug half-smile off her face.

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She's at home packing already, Chris.

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That's an hour and half I will never get back.....

Audience was definitely skewed in Corbyns favour. Cheered him nearly every time he spoke.

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Momentum stormtroopers, clapping like seals and screeching like gibbons.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at each and every one of their houses when Corbyn gets his butt handed to him next week.

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Dream on. If anyone should be packing it's Terrorist Sympathiser, Corbyn and Co.

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I think they were the other teams supporters clapping him too.
her not being there has said a lot to her once supporters.

she's doing a Dave and it's failed big time. just like her Maggie impression.

I personally think she called this election because she's weak and can't pull the Brexit thing off.
she wants Labour to do it.

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It did not fail Dave did it?

He won last Election, or did you forget that little detail? :rolleyes:

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May had won the election before she already called it. I don't see that being in question really.

What will be interesting is the size of the majority and May's own popularity rankings. She was very popular before the election and I think that this election might damage her more than they were expecting. Although I am wary of the polling showing it too close to call (doesn't make any sense) if it's even someway to being true then the majority might be smaller than was expected and that could cause rumbles within the party too.

What happens to Labour will be interesting. Whatever happens I think Corbyn has moved the party to the left and might actually succeed in shaping what they do next. Some of the principles will probably remain and are popular. Really you take the manifesto and give a different messenger and Labour might have had a chance in this election given the Tory stumbles.

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TM was the big loser from this debate. As one of them pointed out, she declared that this is the most important election in her lifetime and she couldn't be bothered to turn up ..

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Looks like they were outside too. Heard chants of Tories out when Rudd arrived to a small gathering. But they cheered and waved IRAbour signs when Steptoe arrived.

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That's what I'm saying.
she thinks doing the same will bring the same result.

but it won't.
it hasn't.

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And you know this how? Election results not took place yet. The Election has not took place yet.

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What are you lot talking about?

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But the BBC is entirely unbiased... :rolleyes:

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I don't think the BBC select the audience, it's outsourced to the polling company.

There are a number of questions after that in how they've been selected, how do you decide to 'reflect the population' and are some more vocal than others. For example did they select people from Cambridge which may impact upon the audience? When Question Time is in some northern industrial towns for example they're far more Brexit-friendly than an audience in London.

The audience on Sky were more hostile to May on Monday as well. In the QT Leaders Specials in 2015 it was Miliband who got the worst of it.

I think the audience were hostile to the Tories but I don't think the BBC stacked the debate, even if your prone to believing they would this would be a very crude way to do it. Maybe they were just put on edge by May not turning up, remember a 'balanced' audience would still leave Tories in the minority.

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You not understanding.

It's the same as you saying the audience was definitely skewed in Corbyns favour.

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Corbyn being cheered.

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I read an interesting article in the FT recently. It said that there was a division in the polling organisations between those who said that the turnout by young people would continue to be low and those who felt that there would be a key increase in young people voting.
The latter polls give the Conservatives a narrower lead and the former polls a bigger lead.
Following Brexit and Trump's victory, some polling organisations are more open to historic voting patterns ending hence their predictions of a higher turnout by younger people.

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It was ComRes who choose the audience. That's one that has the Tories around 12 points clear. Weird. Unless they weighted it by the GE2015 result.

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LOL the conspiracy is that when they were vetted they said they were strong Cons supporters. but really being the opposite.

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There was many who didn't clap, I noticed when Corbyn spoke.

But there was a group who cheered and clapped him nearly every time and he was extra cheered outside when he arrived. It looked staged, like when cameras are allowed around North Korea and it's citizens put on an act for their leader. It's like he's being propped up to make him look more popular than possible ?

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Yeh. and on a couple of occasions even he looked over to them surprised. thinking WTF are they?

Darn. did I just say that?

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Outside there certainly would be. These people are active and passionate. Corbyn has been speaking at relatively large events and there are people who follow the Tories protesting everything. They will have turned up and waited for hours to cheer Corbyn coming in, it's not staged as such but it is organised by people like Momentum.

It was the same with his leadership campaign. A small but vocal support base but that doesn't represent the rest of the country.

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No surprise really that the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation favours the use of such a pro-Conservative polling company.

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Matthew Goodwin‏ @GoodwinMJ 7m
7 minutes ago


More
New Yougov poll (not model)
Con 42
Lab 39
LD 7
Ukip 4
Others 8

Con lead = 3 pts

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I don't understand how YouGov's poll can be right? If it is then we really don't know everything about how voters will behave. Part of Labour's resurgence seems to be Tory missteps and the return to two party politics but even so?

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yes think this is happening ukip just about done now like lib dems

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the latest one I post in the tweet I posted was a poll not new model

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Maybe Brexiters are worrying that if they vote Conservative, during the Brexit negotiations Theresa May will do another u-turn and take us into the Eurozone! :D

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Possibly Den but they'd never get elected ;)

Caroline Lucas seems the most honest front line politician atm to me.

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Hey Mr K, are you half of the CF Green vote?

Cheers

Dave

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Whether this is true really remains to be seen but its certainly could be squeaky bum time on the Conservatives bench leading up to June the 8th,

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Indeed UKIP are finished but the key is how much of their former vote will splinter off to the Conservatives and Labour and personally l think it will be the Ukippers in the south going mostly to the Tories and quite a few in the north reverting back to Labour.

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Forever the optimist l see Andrew.:nono:

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Perhaps we need some of the Cable Forum members to become politicians as some of them are as honest as the day is long Mr K.:)

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l am sure l saw a picture of him with his flower power shirt a while back.;)

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What the grey wobbly woman needs to do now is... let all the media focus on her not attending for being weak and scared for a few days. and then at the next one she need to make a grand big entrance with helicopters hovering overhead and black limos and such. a big marching band with the Union Jack flying high!

do a Donald Trump!
do the American style election!
sure winner!

it's what they do when they announce the worst and then do a U-turn or reduce the actual figure they came up with first so it looks brilliant now.
it's the way the Cons work.

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Knowing you don't stand a chance of winning power will do that.

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May will win this election, hands down. It'll be a complete whitewash. You'll see.

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I'd accept all that more than a set of terrorist sympathisers, who have lots and lots of money trees to pay for all these uncosted promises.

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No, if we had PR then it would be an option. Unfortunately I have to vote tactically for a party I don't really support such is our pathetic electoral system. Voting for a 3rd or 4th placed candidate means your vote is pointless and just helps the incumbent.

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PR systems suck. I don't want to vote for a party I want to vote for a representative.

I still think it would be fun if lots of independents get elected or a real mixed bag. Probably not a good idea at this time though.

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There's variations on PR that would allow you to do that aswell. Some may remember the PR referendum​ after the 2010 election. Public opinion was in favourite of change at the start of the campaign, but the 2 main parties and their press friends got to work on us for a month, and we did as we were told and maintained the status quo. If we want more people to vote they must know their vote counts no matter what constituency they're in.

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But your MP voted to Remain but his party is backing a hard Brexit:

http://www.stevebrine.com/issues/eu-referendum

Where is the value add of voting for a representative? At least voting for a party, you get a better match for your values and wishes ..

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Have the tories released detailed costings yet? Don't suppose it matters if they haven't because they can always resort to the old favourite of

releasing very tight spending plans before elections but spending and taxing more after winning them

who needs a money tree when you can just mug of the public again and again, labour might be shambolic but at least their honest, well not as dishonest!


https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...spending-plans

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I think you will see that IRAbour will have to start taxing people once after the election and if they win, big if still, to pay for all those carrots they have dangled to entice potential gullible voters.

And as for IRAbour being honest? :rofl:

I smell BS. Are you forgetting the biggest lie of all, one that you have constantly preached about?

The Iraq war and WMD. But I just know you're going to come back to me say that was back then....

.....But more recently, only Last week, Steptoe said he had never met the IRA, yet his racist former lover, the day after, in another car crash interview, Abbott said he had. We know he had, history tells it so. So he told a blatant lie.

The man is a cretin, along with Mcdonnell, who also expressed there should be honour for the IRA i.e for the 'bombs and the bullets'.

People say Corbyn is a nice man, bollocks, he is a cretin, nasty piece of work who has rubbed shoulders with people who had nothing but murderous intent and in a large way, had achieved their murderous goals with the bombs and bullets that remember, Mcdonnell had said should be 'honoured'.

Then we have Abbott, who thinks 10,000 police officers cost £300,000 a year, but then thought it was £8,000 a year. But more importantly, history records this racist traitor for saying she wanted the IRA to defeat the British, but let's not forget, in another embarrassing car crash interview, she puts her views back then to having a different hairstyle.... Her line said 'The hairstyle has gone and some of the views have gone.'.... 'Some' being the key word here that should be very alarming, as she could be Home Secretary after next Friday. :erm:

Him, Abbott and Mcdonnell are a bunch of sniveling *******s and are an insult to the electorate, given their previous history, they should not even be an MP or served as one for all this time. They are total traitors.

But honest you say....What utter Bollards. :rolleyes:

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So Jeremy can you put you down as undecided then Mick? :D

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Where as things will be different under the CONservatives, shame past history tells us a different story

No I'm not, what I'd say is, bliar should be in the Hague

Does history tell it so? What I know of the history is that the gutter press including the once great thunderer claimed he'd given financial help to an IRA bomber on the run when the truth was he'd actually phoned the police and Gerry Adams saying corbyn had played a small but vital role in the peace process.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...rthern-ireland

Wonder why you don't have a pop at Phillip hammond who got his figures wrong by 20 billion on the radio the other day, whilst he was attempting to have a go at labour spending I might add

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politic...d-bbc-10438641

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LOL, you start going on about the gutter press yet quote a story sourcing the gutter press... class, this could not be made up. I don't deny Philip Hammond did not make a mistake, silly you Philip, however, he is not the type to consistently make mistakes. He still gets my support.

However, the issue with the IRA and Corbyn is not made up by the gutter press, the man has talked about it in various forms, not condemned the IRA when asked and Diane Abbott is on record, to have said he has met the IRA.

The records exist from their own mouths in some form, either on camera or in radio interviews.

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I am trying to think of a silly answer Mr K, I will get back to you some time....

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I think Mick and Jeremy are actually​ one and the same - I mean do you ever see them together? ;):shocked:

Cheers

Dave

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You couldn't make it up? You could, we've all seen you make things up and claim I've posted them before.

Hilarious, Hammond does the same as Abbott and it's simply a mistake, whereas the other bozo is the talk of the town for weeks, how thick are these people not to know the figures before they go into interviews, it's so obvious it's the first thing any interviewer worth his pay will jump on it makes me wonder if it is stupidity or sheer utter contempt for the electorate.

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I've made nothing up, regarding what you have said. Last week you said you're not defending IRAbour, yet here you are, doing exactly that.

There is a massive difference between Abbott and Hammond.

Hammond made one slip up, also is not racist and more importantly has not had any previous affiliation with or supported the IRA or wanted Britain to be defeated by them.

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May pulled out of Woman's Hour today, the same show that gave Corbyn the hard time over not knowing the costings of one of his policies.

I know it's all political calculation, she doesn't need to do it so why risk it? But it's becoming very grating how little she will do it. I think it's a bit hypocritical to have a go at Corbyn for his mistake, and that was a poor performance from him, but not do it yourself. I also think it undermines the whole strong and stable image and that she will stick it to the EU when she ducks all these interviews and debates.

Her excuse is rather pathetic too. That she is focused on Brexit. She was the one who called the election! To call an election then act as if it's beneath you, or a act of frivolity, to campaign for votes is so contemptuous of the electorate. She is lucky her opposition is Corbyn.

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I can help. "Vote Theresa Maybe for a strong and stable government without any u-turns maybe" :D

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Was this aimed at me? I have not criticised Corbyn on his R4 Interview. Not even brought it up today so don't understand the hypocritical comment?

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No, it was general. A new comment rather than a reply to one. The hypocritical comment was aimed at the Tories for criticising Corbyn over the interview when May refuses to do it.

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Fair point. They're probably worried that Theresa Maybe would change her policies under the pressure of an interview or debate.

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Ooff there's been in a swing to Labour in the CF poll, is this reflecting the national trend ;)

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Her campaign team need to be fired. She has been on the offensive for weeks and people are genuinely fed up of hearing her say 'Strong and Stable. It was poor choice for slogan, not because I believe she is opposite but did no one think in her team that her opponents would throw back at her, that those words could be changed to Weak and Feeble?

She should have gone to lastnights debate when Corbyn did a U-Turn and decided to go and she should have not sent Amber Rudd, when only two days earlier, her father died.

Despite all the above criticisms, people know my views already as to why I would never vote IRAbour and Lib Dems are too Anti-Brexit.

I cannot help but think that could there be a Saboteur, I.E someone who had Prime Minister ambitions within or used to be in the Tory ranks. Cough Osborne?

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This election campaign appeared boring. Competent May against an incompetent and lacklustre Corbyn and an inexperienced Farron. A landslide guaranteed.
It's not so much as what Corbyn has done right but what May has done wrong. A dementia tax pulled out of the hat then hastily stuffed back in again with the costs unknown. A free vote on fox-hunting which 90% of the country is against. And a manifesto which does not add up financially leading to inevitable tax rises pretty quickly.
It's certainly interesting times next week.

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Yes you were, you said I was defending corbyn when I was actually criticising the Conservatives, you said I posted that having corbyn as pm was a fair trade for getting rid of Scotland and Wales when I didn't, I said it was a shame to lose Gibraltar, Northern Ireland and the Falklands but if it meant saying good bye to Wales and Scotland it would be a fair trade, you said I'd claimed all the stories about him and the IRA were fabrication when I hadn't, I'd actually said I knew 2 of the stories were made up including one about him helping an IRA bomber on the run evade capture when the actual truth was he'd phoned the police.

Hammond is the chancellor, the guy in charge of the cash, if anyone should be expected to get the figures right it's him and if anything he should've learnt from Abbott's mistake not copied it, in fact both of them and all other politicians should've learnt from caroline lucas and her car crash house building interview a couple of years back.

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Corbyn played a blinder saying he'd attend at the last minute then failed to capitalise on it imo, it was almost as if they agreed to him going and then forgot to brief him

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She called the election to get 5 more years and used Brexit which every man , woman and his dog know is happening as the reason for calling it.

Frankly that was utter bollocks IMO but the servile sycophantic media won't be peddling that line though as they are just as contemptuous as the politicians running this country as well.

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:clap:

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It is not that simple, and you know that. it's what kind of Brexit we get; hard or soft. There is more chance of a hard Brexit with May. In negotiations you have to be prepared to walk away to get the best deal. We know that the EU need to make a deal, given that they sell so much to the UK. Therefore, they will not want us to walk away.

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Oh! Whatever happened to "Brexit means Brexit"?

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That is what May wants to achieve. That was spelled out in her Brexit speech in January.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7531361.html

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January is a long time ago for Theresa, she changes her mind by the day. She's already changed her mind on Brexit, she thought it was a a terrible idea before the referendum. Lots of time for her to change her mind again ....

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Poor timing from the CPS IMO. It's too late for another candidate to be fielded so the Tory candidate in South Thanet will go into the election next week awaiting a court case.

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surely timing will be prompted by the evidence gathered

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CPS are in a bit of a rock / hard place situation though.

If they waited until after the election, then they would have been accused of delaying it for political reasons.

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Ideally they would have done it weeks ago but yes no timing is perfect.

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They are damned if they do and damned if they don't to be perfectly honest.

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I bet Nigel is regretting not standing in South Thanet again....

Update

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-40129826

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You're always being one sided Mr K. i.e. not telling the whole story or just telling a part that suits your negative agenda.

JeIRAmy has changed his mind several times. He did a U-Turn on the debate the other night by saying he would now go. He has changed his mind and now wants to leave single market which will end free movement of people. It's also being said he would do a deal with SNP to form a coalition in the event of a hung parliament.

Lots of people think he will ditch Trident if he was to win. Thornberry has said in a tv interview recently that Trident could still be placed under review. That did not go down well with Jezza.

But deary deary me, all these promises, to buy votes. IRAbour will not be able to afford but he will plough us in to a recession either way. Because if he wins, companies are being hit with a double whammy, increases in Corporation Tax and being forced to pay workers £10 an hour.