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She is certainly not my choice as the democrats candidate for president but she is far better then a man who is a bigot and racist and hates African Americans, immigrants, Latinos, Asians, , Muslims and now the disabled and has a track record of groping women and has a misogynist contempt of women so when that is the choice then it has to be Clinton rather then the total train wreck and megalomaniac that is Donald Trump.

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Well if it's a choice between a mysogynist and being in low earth orbit...:erm:

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Both will talk to them. It just's one seems a lot more pro-Russian and wants to appease them than the other. Trump has even questioned NATO. There is a reason Russian media and the Kremlin are all going in for Trump and it's not because they have American (or Western) interests at heart.

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what earth :shocked:

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that's a hefty load of paranoia your lugging around lad ;)

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Actually to be fair I don't think Trump is a misogynist ( Woman hater) On the contrary he's a bit too keen. :D

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It's a paranoia shared by the head of MI5.

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The most worrying thing for us is that Trump wants to get rid of the NATO commitment that an attack on one is an attack on all. No wonder Putin is rooting for him.

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wow paranoia must be catching :Peace:

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Clinton and Obama Policies have done far worse things than all that crap you just posted about Trump, which I have to say is just the typical biased media narrative that is against him. I have said before Trump is no angel and he has been a nasty piece of work in the past but he is not the worse of the two at all. He also does not have a track record of groping women at all, not everyone is a sucker for believing the crap coming from made up lies about him.

I find it amazing that only in another topic, you and others cry foul of the media, shouting out propaganda etc etc yet don't when it doesn't suit here.

I base my views on Trump/Clinton on real hard facts and how history has played out and it's not looking at all, a rosey time line for Crooked Hillary, nor Obama.

But what Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton has done in Syria and Libya, they should hang their heads in shame. The biggest Migrant crisis we have faced and those Migrants fleeing Africa, fleeing Syria have DIED trying to get to Europe, those two clowns, Clinton and Obama have much blood on their hands with their shower of crap policy after policy in Libya and Syria.

Yeah Gadaffi was a evil dictator, but Libya and for most part now North Africa was secure before their meddling but oh, not now, it's a big whole mess with ISIS having strongholds there and now also Syria. What a frigging mess those two clowns have left this part of the World in and you and others want one of those same corrupt, pathological and lying Clowns back in power.

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Oh I don't know, I think Den summed it up perfectly. Did you think Hitler wasn't that bad Mick?

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:cleader::cleader::cleader::cleader::cleader::woot ::woot::woot:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

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:notopic:

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Clinton is the lesser of 2 evils.

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:rofl:

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In your opinion.

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If I didn't have work on Wednesday I'd watch the results come in.

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l don't need to take things from a biased media Mick as Donald Trump whether one likes it or not has voiced his opinions about all the groups l have named out of his own mouth time and time again over nearly 30 years and if you look online on YouTube and other type sites its there coming out of his own mouth unless one thinks he did not say those things about all these groups and even just watching the news earlier where they showed some clips of his comments made me utterly shudder that this man might be president of America in a couple of days and that is a frightening prospect indeed and yes Hilary Clinton is not exactly my type of leader as she has too many warts and baggage on her but sorry but god help us if Trump becomes American president on Wednesday as that is a very chilling prospect l hope never happens.

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I feel the same way about Clinton, she would be an absolute disaster as President and she is far too corrupt.

Despite his behaviour, I am prepared to give Trump a chance over one who has already had some form of chance and failed miserably and she would be likely to lead us in to a very dark war with Russia, I would very much like to avoid that, because we'd be caught in the middle of it, in more ways than one.

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Giving someone a chance with the nuclear codes is a bit of a risk. Trumps love in with Putin is also something not to be welcomed - we won't be benefiting that's for sure.

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A good insight into why some might support Trump: http://www.ap.org/explore/divided-am...vival-bid.html

We're seeing the same here where the division is increasingly between those who benefit from the current economic situation and those who do not. Between college-educated (American speak) and non-college educated voters.

Of course it's also possible to read too much into things like that and see it as an easy answer. Brexit had a pretty diverse range of support from differing economic groups whereas I read the average income for Trump supporters is $60,000 but it's interesting anyway.

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Seems things are swinging Clinton's way.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37884603

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I disagree with all you just said.

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But not really.

I am looking at the Drudge report and it's looking very favourable for Trump in Florida, North Carolina and Colorado in early voting. He's outperformed Mitt Romney in the 2012 Election by a LOT!

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"The Drudge Report is a politically conservative American news aggregation website. The Drudge Report has a history of fabricating or misrepresenting stories"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drudge_Report (ooh the name Breibart is mentioned aswell !)

Think I trust the BBC more, but we'll find out soon thank God.

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Yes i think the trump being that evil plotline has been exaggerated. But i also think the whole clinton corrupt thing has been exaggerated. Using a private server for emails has been done by many secretary of states. That has never been mentioned before. Both parties have slung as much exaggerated sh*t at each other its incredible. Clintons emails are corrupt yet no one has really seen the "bad" emails yet they assume they are. Trump is ready to cause world war 3 and yet we have no real evidence of that except hes fencing in some mexicans. I doubt that causes world war 3.

It has been a nasty election with social media causing a lot of the nastiness. With unclaimed allegations being thrown out by opposition supporters with nasty vile messages going back and forth with little to no evidence.

The real question is ignoring all the b/s allegations

Who has more experience to be president of the worlds super power? A woman who has been secretary of state and a senator or a man with no political experience whatsoever but has made millions in real estate. That is the one question people must answer. Forget emails. Forget "crimes" against women which havent been proven in a court of law. Forget wild accusations and fantasies about what ifs...

Who has the most experience for the most powerful job?

Thats clinton.

Thats all this election should be based about.

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I couldn't careless who you trust. More fool you. Is that the same BBC who Sir Cliff Richard is suing because they tried to ruin his life?

Please. :rolleyes:

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Not necessarily, she has BAD experience.

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Has either of them put forward any policies ? aside from Trump wanting to build a wall i don't actually remember any policies being mentioned in the campaign just days and days or bitching at each other

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We'll see tomorrow if Florida, North Carolina and Colorado go to Trump. If all three of them do then, unless Clinton pulls out a surprise in Ohio or Arizona then he wins.

One note of caution though. Drudge is using absolute numbers but the early voting has spiked up across the bored so it's percentages that matter.

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A message from the German people:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/11/26.jpg

(from http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37895601)

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So they support Trump then ?

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Of course ..

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Banning Muslims till we know what the hell is going on, make America great again, grab 'em by the pussy, were they policies :shrug:

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Look its all about differing opinions on these issues Mick as if everybody agreed about everything in this world we would all be a bunch of exact genetic clones and that would be pretty boring IMO.

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I had a little chuckle when I put these two comments together - just in fun.

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Linky

Not so confident now eh?

Meanwhile:

Full piece

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Polls now open. Full election underway and, barring any surprises, we'll know tomorrow morning - maybe quite early depending what happens.

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I bet Mick is first in the queue, even if he's not eligible ;)

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Is there a hidden Trump vote to 'do a Brexit'? Will there be a big gender divide? Will Latino voters block Trump from the Presidency?

We might know some of this during the day, clues to what is happening.

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1. probably, but not enough of them. 2. yes, blokes are more daft. 3. Lets hope so.

I'm building a bunker in the garden in case.......

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This time yes. There was that UK guy who intended to shoot him.

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Here's an instant expert cheat sheet ... it should help anyone interested to spot the significant results as they come in.

https://jag.my/2016/election-night-g...ntial-results/

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Is she President yet

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Florida is the big early one. Hopefully they call that early

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Looks like high turnout so far. People reporting long lines even at 6am. America really needs to sort out their electoral system, it's needs to be kicked off to a independent body instead of letting the states' manage it. No politics, just open as many polling places as they can for as long as they can.

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Remember that they're 6-9 hours behind us and the polls don't close until 10pm local time.

Linky

The exception that proves the rule. :D

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Well this is the prediction of Nate Silver, who famously predicted the US election result in all 50 states in 2012 but remember predictions are a bit like opinion polls as they can be as much wrong as they can be right.:)

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...cid=538twitter

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Not a prediction really. He is saying it's a 70% chance.

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This I do agree with you on. :D

16 years ago, the Democrats still try to cling to the claim that in that Election in 2000: Al Gore vs. George W. Bush, Bush stole it via Florida. Media had declared early victory in Florida for Gore and then it suddenly flipped back to Bush.

The current Vice President Joe Biden says Gore was the Elected President in 2000 and Former President Jimmy Carter says there was no doubt Gore won the election. Hillary Clinton also said Bush was 'selected' President, thus, a veiled claim that Bush wasn't the legitimate President, isn't this her saying in another form that the system was "Rigged"?

So Trump's claim during this election that the system is "Rigged", the electoral system in America certainly is vulnerable to rigging, because of the State by State management of it. Reports of Dead people being registered to vote and voting, people who have already voted in one State, crossing in to another State to vote again, voting machines switching votes cast etc etc and even the US Postal Service, has had claims of more than a few postal ballots disappearing.

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For the 'greatest democracy in the world', they do seem to have a lot of problems. Voter intimidation of those who don't look like they'll support Trump seems an issue.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwndzmxXUAATRu6.jpg

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Nobody really knows who 'won' Florida. A big problem with the recount was discerning who people voted for because the ballots themselves where confusing. There was a suspiciously high number of votes for Ralph Nader, the 3rd party candidate, who was positioned just under Al Gore on the ballot. The theory is many people accidentally voted for him, thus Al Gore should have won, but how can you ever know that?

If it had gone the other way Bush could have seen himself cheated as well.

That also makes it harder to rig. Too many people would have to be in on it including both parties. Trump is saying it's rigged because it stokes anger in his base.

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Clinton has WON her first state! And it's....



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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...rs-want-230935

That would bode well for Trump

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A suspiciously high number of voters with the names Pugh, Pugh, Barney McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble and Grubb are being recorded in the early stages. This election is rigged ;).

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Bit disappointing that there were only 13 episodes of such a wonderful wonderful series.:)

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It's Rigged LOL!

Ballots switching from Trump to Clinton right in front of peoples eyes !

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/...head-to-polls/

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You're right! ;)

http://heavy.com/news/2016/10/vote-f...-rigged-fraud/

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If I was voting, I would insist on a Paper ballot. This is a shambles.

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Seems they would be better off using our system as imperfect as it is never seen an ink mark jump from one to the other.

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Yeah but what if they give you a pencil that keeps breaking, or they rub out of your vote, or even worse eat your vote ? I'm sure this is how Dave won the last election, there were some very sick looking people suspiciously near the ballot box.

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Happened in 2008 too. Thousands and thousands of machines across the nation and one or two will malfunction

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I would take my own Pen. Like I did in the EU Referendum. Some Polling Stations were not allowing own pens until someone googled that there is no legal obligation to use the provided pencils at the booth and showed this to the Polling staff.

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The problems have been with polling machines - you can't use a pen with them, as you press buttons to choose the candidates.

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They don't use pens because they're worried about people switching them with Ines that have invisible ink but yeah you can use your own.

Trump has started a lawsuit against Nevada for allowing people to vote past 10pm last Friday but that's the law if people are in line. Think it's starting...

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Its probably an early admission of defeat. He can't win with the electorate so try the courts.

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http://uk.businessinsider.com/what-h...6-11?r=US&IR=T https://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(1d...me=mcl-168-720

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I know which is why I would request a paper ballot with my own pen in hand, which in some polling stations you can, others may not allow them.

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Case has already been thrown out. They couldn't tell the judge what the actual issue was.

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There is more to that story.

Sky News are saying:

http://news.sky.com/story/live-final...ction-10648907

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Yeah but they didn't produce any evidence of that and even if they did the law is to keep the polls open.

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I know but they were saying people were arriving at the line after Poll closing time. I thought it was only those in the line at the time of closing still permitted to cast their vote?

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Happened in 2008 too. :D

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The Donald isn't even confident of Mrs Donalds vote....
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/11/25.jpg

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Just over an hour to the first polls close.

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Turnout seems very, very high

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When should one expect the first States to declare? Sorry I know you've said before. I'm up at 5am again today so can follow from then.

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5am it could well be over.

First states declare soon but they're safe Republican. 1am we might see some real info

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CNN seem to be quick. Trump ahead in Florida. Now back to Clinton. So if he loses Ohio and Florido we can call it a night?

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Pretty much.

Don't get too excited about the numbers swapping back and forth like that though. It depends where certain areas start reporting.

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This is getting very close

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It's been very close in Florida. As it stands I think Trump will win Florida over 134,000 votes more than Hillary now, now at 95% results in. Very little space left for Clinton to take hold.

I think he's got Ohio.

Trump only needs 119 to get to 270, now at 151 ECV.

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He's won I think

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It's look quite likely Trump wins but Clinton gets more votes.

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He just took Florida.

North Carolina and Utah.

Trump wins Wisconsin!

Iowa to Trump

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On the bright side the pound is going to gain against the dollar

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There's an American I work with who came out with a chilling prediction yesterday - if Trump gets in he'll end up working to overturn their law that says no president can be in office for more than 2 terms. It wouldn't be easy or acceptable to many but apparently the people he'd need to convince are all Rebuplicans too.

Might be a tall order but I get the impression he's the kind of egomaniac who'd give it a try.

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God help America , god help us all...:(

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Trump slightly ahead in Pennsylvania

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The madman is actually doing it.

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I'm gonna take a crash course in building really big walls

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He's took Pennsylvania.

I think we can call this now...

Donald J Trump 45th President of the United States

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Astonishing. The absolute madman pulled it off and pretty much swung the lot. The year someone spoke exactly what they were thinking and won the election...

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Clinton HQ John Podesta tells everyone to go home and get some sleep... Hillary won't be speaking.

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He best put that in an email to make sure everyone can see it. :D

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President Trump to speak soon

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/07/po...age/index.html

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Congrats to Mick first off. He called it against the polls. Ironically it might seem the polls were largely right in terms of the vote but they got the states so very wrong.

My biggest fear is Trump will have a Republican house and little opposition. This would be less scary had the Democrats won the both houses. I am worried what happens with NATO. Europe needs to step up now as Trump is ambivalent if not outright hostile to the organisation which really has helped keep the peace in Europe.

Not sure what else. So much of Trump's platform scares me. I think his attitude towards minorities and women is abhorrent. His desire to deport all undocumented migrants is unrealistic. His wall is unrealistic. His promises to communities are unachievable (opening coal mines in a country soaring on natural gas?!)

I think we're still seeing the after effects of 2008 but we thought America was immune because no country has recovered better than they have.

Not sure what else to say

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I came here to suggest someone should "concede" the election to Mick, and Damian already has. :tu:

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l basically sadly agree with everything you have said there Damien.:tu:

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Incredible stuff :LOL:

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thenry can you make that smaller, it's screwing up the thread.

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The last mighty roar of the white baby boomers.brexit and trump.changes happening too fast.tech,losing jobs overseas,letting in unvetted immigrants who may have terrorist leanings,liberal policies re gay,lesbians and individuals proffessing to be of no fixed gender w.t.f. and if you spoke out against any of the above you were castigated by the liberal media.let the fun begin.

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Removed. Didn't realise sorry.

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Don't think I'll be coming to you for racing tips chap.

Trump now president elect, HC admits defeat. Congratulates DT by phone. (R4 Today programme)

Brexit 2.0 and for many of the same reasons, not least being the out of touch liberal elite in the capitals who are unaffected by their own policies.

Initial analysis shows HC ahead in cities but way behind in the country. (R4)

Indeed.

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The analysis of what happened here is going to be very complicated.

Clinton appears to have won the popular vote. She seems to have lost because Trump really got out of the vote in rural areas and, presumably, didn't match him in urban areas. She appears to have done worse amongst ALL demographics other than women and college-educated voters but the exit polls are suspicious. They have Trump as being seen as less qualified, people being more worried about him, believing Clinton is better for the economy and so on only for them to vote for him.

Look at everything so far turnout might actually be down. It may simply be that Trump got his vote out and Clinton didn't.

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Where are you reading that? BBC currently has Trump 0.6 points ahead on the popular vote.

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Large parts of California still have to come in.

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Not quite yet:

WSJ live

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fair enough, we'll wait and see on that.