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nstokes 09-04-2013 14:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35558992)
As far as I know Sky Movies and Sky Sports SD Channels is an 'must carry' on Virgin Media.

But we may lose Sky Movies HD, Sky Sports 1 HD and Sky Sports 2 HD if the new deal is not sign.

Sky Sports News is part of the Sky Basic deal (Sky1, Sky Living and Sky Arts.)
I cant see VM loosing the Sky Prem HD channels after all the hassle and time it took to them get them.

coulsontom 09-04-2013 15:18
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hmm. The only benefit to Virgin for us really is the fact that you have 3 tuners rather than just 2.

The reason we left sky was because they wanted £250 for a new hd box when old one broke but offered them for free to new and upgrading customers.

We had the bonus of ESPN for free which we didn't bother with before.

With ESPN going, and if Sky Sports increases, really it'd be better to go back to sky, as then we'd get SS3+4 plus F1 in HD, plus Atlantic (others in house like Mad Men for eg.)

Media Boy UK 09-04-2013 15:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coulsontom (Post 35559001)
hmm. The only benefit to Virgin for us really is the fact that you have 3 tuners rather than just 2.

The reason we left sky was because they wanted £250 for a new hd box when old one broke but offered them for free to new and upgrading customers.

We had the bonus of ESPN for free which we didn't bother with before.

With ESPN going, and if Sky Sports increases, really it'd be better to go back to sky, as then we'd get SS3+4 plus F1 in HD, plus Atlantic (others in house like Mad Men for eg.)
It all IF and BUT right now.

The DM is just someone view.

Let wait until Virgin Media, Sky or BT confirm anything.

As of April 9th.

-Rumours say that Sky HD channels deal is up in Summer 2013.
-No deal has been signs with Virgin Media and BT for BT Sports PACKAGE of channels.

johnasimmons 09-04-2013 16:08
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In my opinion there is no chance that BT Sports will be part of the XL package a la ESPN; it's going to be a extra payment per month - around £12-£15?

denphone 09-04-2013 16:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35559026)
In my opinion there is no chance that BT Sports will be part of the XL package a la ESPN; it's going to be a extra payment per month - around £12-£15?
If its that price there won't be many takers given that also Sky Sports will raise their prices again later this year by a fair bit.

johnasimmons 09-04-2013 16:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35559033)
If its that price there won't be many takers given that also Sky Sports will raise their prices again later this year by a fair bit.
In my opinion BT have spent so much money acquiring the sports for their channels that they will have to charge something to get it back...

Dave42 09-04-2013 16:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35559033)
If its that price there won't be many takers given that also Sky Sports will raise their prices again later this year by a fair bit.
yes and people said competition is good it not for us customers as prices only ever go up and up and sky will bid even more next time to make sure bt don't win no more so no end to price rises at all

coulsontom 09-04-2013 16:46
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Yes competition is supposed to be good but in this game it doesn't seem to work.

As Dave says, BT bid very high, caused Sky to bid very high which will mean high prices for the customer.

The only winner is the Premier League and the football clubs who straight away brought in new "fair play" rules to prevent players getting the money in wages.

muppetman11 09-04-2013 16:57
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The simple answer is don't pay it , I agree with you all premium subs are getting way to expensive however their currently just at a level I'm ok with that said it wont take much more before I say enough is enough and cancel the premiums its the only way the likes of BT and Sky will finally get the hint.

colin25 09-04-2013 17:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35559059)
The simple answer is don't pay it , I agree with you all premium subs are getting way to expensive however their currently just at a level I'm ok with that said it wont take much more before I say enough is enough and cancel the premiums its the only way the likes of BT and Sky will finally get the hint.
Never a truer word(s) spoken. It will eventually happen, and that will shock the football league

passingbat 09-04-2013 17:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35559041)
yes and people said competition is good

But it's not competition, even though the various sources try to persuade people that it is.

True competition would be for BT and Sky to both to have all the games and see who can offer the cheapest price to viewers.

The way the system works now, with service providers trying to outbid each other for exclusive rights, can only drive prices for consumers up.

Why are the football authorities allowed to do this? They should be told to offer all matches as an option to all service providers who want them. That is true competition. Sports fans are being ripped off. And OFCOM does nothing.

paultrademark 09-04-2013 17:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35559059)
The simple answer is don't pay it , I agree with you all premium subs are getting way to expensive however their currently just at a level I'm ok with that said it wont take much more before I say enough is enough and cancel the premiums its the only way the likes of BT and Sky will finally get the hint.
I already refuse to pay that much, I only ever watch football and just use a family members Sky ID to login to Sky Go to watch any game that I might want to watch.

Chad 09-04-2013 18:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35559033)
If its that price there won't be many takers given that also Sky Sports will raise their prices again later this year by a fair bit.
Very true. The Daily Mail article confirms this:

"Sky, who had to pay far more than expected for PL rights because of BT Sport’s entry into the market, need to recoup some of that cost by charging Virgin more for their platform contract."

How much is SKY Sports going to cost SKY, Virgin and BT customers by the end of this year?

Thinks will become very clear in the next 3 to 4 months. I've got a feeling things are going to get very expensive for sports fans.

Mad Max 09-04-2013 18:06
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Quote:
Thinks will become very clear in the next 3 to 4 months. I've got a feeling things are going to get very expensive for sports fans.
Well they can shove it right up their arse!

coulsontom 09-04-2013 18:26
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It's still cheaper than buying tickets to go and watch the games.

You can take in several matches each weekend. If you support a team doing well like I do (MCFC) then you usually get 2 matches a month for £36.
Plus the bonus of Champions League games to watch.

Tickets for away games cost anywhere in the region of £30-60. Often not less than £45.

My home season ticket works out at about £30 per game.

So it isn't quite as expensive as could be made out. However, they are raking it in.

Media Boy UK 09-04-2013 18:27
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Radiotoday: Absolute, talkSPORT, 5live retain deals for Premier League.

Absolute Radio, the BBC and talkSPORT have all retained their rights to live Premier League match coverage for the next seasons till 2016.

http://radiotoday.co.uk/2013/04/abso...e-retain-deals

coulsontom 09-04-2013 18:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35559067)
But it's not competition, even though the various sources try to persuade people that it is.

True competition would be for BT and Sky to both to have all the games and see who can offer the cheapest price to viewers.

The way the system works now, with service providers trying to outbid each other for exclusive rights, can only drive prices for consumers up.

Why are the football authorities allowed to do this? They should be told to offer all matches as an option to all service providers who want them. That is true competition. Sports fans are being ripped off. And OFCOM does nothing.
This. Head. Nail. Hits. On.

However, Sky could then sell at a loss to put BT out of business.

colin25 09-04-2013 19:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coulsontom (Post 35559108)
This. Head. Nail. Hits. On.

However, Sky could then sell at a loss to put BT out of business.
popular phrase?

head hits on this nail..frustration making head hit nail? :)

denphone 09-04-2013 19:51
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Oh Colin you are in eloquent form tonight.;)

Mobes 10-04-2013 11:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35559093)
Very true. The Daily Mail article confirms this:

"Sky, who had to pay far more than expected for PL rights because of BT Sport’s entry into the market, need to recoup some of that cost by charging Virgin more for their platform contract."

How much is SKY Sports going to cost SKY, Virgin and BT customers by the end of this year?

Thinks will become very clear in the next 3 to 4 months. I've got a feeling things are going to get very expensive for sports fans.
They will all be vary aware that pricing themselves too high will mean disaster for all companies involved.

If BT sell it too high to Sky then many Sky subs. will drop sports and advertising will go down too.

If Sky pass on and put up the prices to BT & VM customers for their share then sports subs. will drop and advertising will go down too.

If VM pass on all the costs then subs to Sky Soprts & BT Sports will go down / and not happen and they will loose money.

None of the 3 players can afford to let prices spiral and they will ALL loose.

IMO BT have more to loose than the others. Get their price structuring wrong and they will go the same was an ONdigital/ITVsports channels and be gone in a couple of years.

I want Liberty Media to get together with (for example) the Disney parent company and try and buy some rights too... we need stiffer competiton!

passingbat 10-04-2013 12:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobes (Post 35559348)

I want Liberty Media to get together with (for example) the Disney parent company and try and buy some rights too... we need stiffer competiton!
I believe Liberty have already said that they have no intention of getting involved in Premium content such as sports and movies.

Doug P 10-04-2013 18:27
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Very sensibly imo

colin25 10-04-2013 20:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobes (Post 35559348)
They will all be vary aware that pricing themselves too high will mean disaster for all companies involved.

If BT sell it too high to Sky then many Sky subs. will drop sports and advertising will go down too.

If Sky pass on and put up the prices to BT & VM customers for their share then sports subs. will drop and advertising will go down too.

If VM pass on all the costs then subs to Sky Soprts & BT Sports will go down / and not happen and they will loose money.

None of the 3 players can afford to let prices spiral and they will ALL loose.

IMO BT have more to loose than the others. Get their price structuring wrong and they will go the same was an ONdigital/ITVsports channels and be gone in a couple of years.

I want Liberty Media to get together with (for example) the Disney parent company and try and buy some rights too... we need stiffer competiton!
Even if they were to get involved, it wouldn't be competition that would favour the consumer (us). As it would just be a bigger bidding war.

The tv rights are auctioned, all more competitors would do would be to raise the price.

The only solution would be if EPL accepted lower bids, but just can not see them doing that.

Mr Banana 10-04-2013 20:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by paultrademark (Post 35559078)
I already refuse to pay that much, I only ever watch football and just use a family members Sky ID to login to Sky Go to watch any game that I might want to watch.
Me too and the movies as well - works out very cheap :-)

spiderplant 11-04-2013 07:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobes (Post 35559348)
They will all be vary aware that pricing themselves too high will mean disaster for all companies involved.

If BT sell it too high to Sky then many Sky subs. will drop sports and advertising will go down too.
BT will be selling satellite subscriptions directly, which makes the dynamics even more complex.

andy_m 11-04-2013 09:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35559067)
But it's not competition, even though the various sources try to persuade people that it is.

True competition would be for BT and Sky to both to have all the games and see who can offer the cheapest price to viewers.

The way the system works now, with service providers trying to outbid each other for exclusive rights, can only drive prices for consumers up.

Why are the football authorities allowed to do this? They should be told to offer all matches as an option to all service providers who want them. That is true competition. Sports fans are being ripped off. And OFCOM does nothing.
This is probably the best observation on this subject in the entire thread, IMVHO.

muppetman11 11-04-2013 13:03
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I would prefer the EPL to cut the platforms out and sell their rights directly to me via an app on the likes of Roku , Xbox , PS3 , Youview etc , the problem with the platforms is your required to pay £10-20 before you can even add Sky Sports. The NFL , NHL , MLB and NBA all use this method as well as selling their rights to platforms.

denphone 11-04-2013 13:05
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Somehow l can see more chance of someone landing on Mars then of the EPL changing the way they sell their rights MM.

alwaysabear 11-04-2013 17:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35559711)
I would prefer the EPL to cut the platforms out and sell their rights directly to me via an app on the likes of Roku , Xbox , PS3 , Youview etc , the problem with the platforms is your required to pay £10-20 before you can even add Sky Sports. The NFL , NHL , MLB and NBA all use this method as well as selling their rights to platforms.
Here here, i could not agree more cut out the middle man.:clap:

Dave42 11-04-2013 17:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35559711)
I would prefer the EPL to cut the platforms out and sell their rights directly to me via an app on the likes of Roku , Xbox , PS3 , Youview etc , the problem with the platforms is your required to pay £10-20 before you can even add Sky Sports. The NFL , NHL , MLB and NBA all use this method as well as selling their rights to platforms.
never gonna happen MM sadly

tvtimes 13-04-2013 12:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coulsontom (Post 35559108)
This. Head. Nail. Hits. On.

However, Sky could then sell at a loss to put BT out of business.
Rubbish! Sky is a much smaller business than BT. Sky making a loss on sky sports that they have spent £3bn on would only result in Sky putting themselves out of business!
BT is a giant in the telecoms business. It is the biggest bb provider and telephony provider in the country. Bt dwarfs sky in terms of subscribers.

Gavin-D 13-04-2013 13:25
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Sky says BT should stop moaning about Premier League ad row

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...bskyb-bt-sport

denphone 13-04-2013 13:32
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Alas this is the typical Sky combative approach one would expect instead of them making peace noises to their rivals.

tvtimes 13-04-2013 13:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35560355)
Sky says BT should stop moaning about Premier League ad row

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...bskyb-bt-sport
Put the claws away:D

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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35560360)
Alas this is the typical Sky combative approach one would expect instead of them making peace noises to their rivals.
Well it's worked every time in the past so why would they change their tactics.

colin25 13-04-2013 13:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35560355)
Sky says BT should stop moaning about Premier League ad row

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...bskyb-bt-sport
Sounds sensible

except the gorilla in a puppy's clothing...who thought that one up :)

denphone 13-04-2013 14:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35560374)
Sounds sensible

except the gorilla in a puppy's clothing...who thought that one up :)
l hear you have writ a few lines for the Rottweiler in your spare time.

colin25 13-04-2013 14:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35560380)
l hear you have writ a few lines for the Rottweiler in your spare time.
Cheeky monkey :D

muppetman11 13-04-2013 14:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35560360)
Alas this is the typical Sky combative approach one would expect instead of them making peace noises to their rivals.
It's called business a cut-throat one at that not the fairy tale land you seem to believe exists. :)

denphone 13-04-2013 14:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35560392)
It's called business a cutthroat one at that not the fairy tale land you seem to believe exists. :)
Did you collect the sixpence underneath your pillow last night master as you seem somewhat unhappy today with one of your most humble servants.;)

muppetman11 14-04-2013 15:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35558693)
Very true, round 1 to BT for sure.

This is heating up nicely.
Heating up indeed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...bskyb-bt-sport
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...alks-fail.html

denphone 14-04-2013 15:15
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One suspects in the end the good old customer will be the loser in all this.

andy_m 14-04-2013 15:20
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With Ronaldo's record it's hard to blame him for being selfish.

OLD BOY 14-04-2013 17:22
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It'll be interesting to see how the BT/Sky dispute over TV channels pans out. It's beginning to get interesting! For the first time, I think Sky is going to have to back down over this.

If BT threaten to withhold their matches from Sky, satellite viewers will not be happy at all.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...alks-fail.html

colin25 14-04-2013 17:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35560804)
It'll be interesting to see how the BT/Sky dispute over TV channels pans out. It's beginning to get interesting! For the first time, I think Sky is going to have to back down over this.

If BT threaten to withhold their matches from Sky, satellite viewers will not be happy at all.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...alks-fail.html
i just don't see it being good for the customer (as others have said previously)

If the charge by BT is too much, I'll do without that selection of games. Might be a good thing...been drowning in football lately, with champions league, europa etc

Dave42 14-04-2013 17:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35560764)
One suspects in the end the good old customer will be the loser in all this.
that's the one certain thing of this Den mate us customers will lose out and pay more


BT sources claim it was willing to share its content with BSkyB, but that BSkyB was not willing to make it a two-way deal, handing BT some of its premium sports rights in return.

“Sky has refused to provide its content to others for many years now and so they have 'form’ when it comes to this issue. They are about as open to sharing as Ronaldo is to passing the ball when the goal is in sight,” a BT spokesman said.

yet more proof of sky withholding channels shock NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

denphone 14-04-2013 17:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35560804)
It'll be interesting to see how the BT/Sky dispute over TV channels pans out. It's beginning to get interesting! For the first time, I think Sky is going to have to back down over this.

If BT threaten to withhold their matches from Sky, satellite viewers will not be happy at all.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...alks-fail.html
Indeed and as such they will always welcomed back to the good side as the dark powers of the master wanes.;):D

tvtimes 14-04-2013 19:46
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It would be good to see Sky get a taste of their own sour medicine for a change!!

colin25 14-04-2013 20:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tvtimes (Post 35560851)
It would be good to see Sky get a taste of their own sour medicine for a change!!
Only people losing are the punters

OLD BOY 14-04-2013 20:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35560814)
“Sky has refused to provide its content to others for many years now and so they have 'form’ when it comes to this issue. They are about as open to sharing as Ronaldo is to passing the ball when the goal is in sight,” a BT spokesman said.

yet more proof of sky withholding channels shock NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
And yet some people still don't believe that Sky have effectively prevented VM from getting Sky Atlantic, :rolleyes:

andy_m 14-04-2013 20:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35560863)
And yet some people still don't believe that Sky have effectively prevented VM from getting Sky Atlantic, :rolleyes:
I'm not entirely sure I'm completely on Bt's side in all this, but this comment from an industry insider would appear to back up what many on here think.

OLD BOY 14-04-2013 20:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35560866)
I'm not entirely sure I'm completely on Bt's side in all this, but this comment from an industry insider would appear to back up what many on here think.
Well, BT have tried to negotiate with Sky in the interests of the viewer, and as expected, Sky don't want to know. Therefore I don't see what else they could have done. Unfortunately, you can't just punch a company on the nose....:D

colin25 14-04-2013 20:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35560869)
Well, BT have tried to negotiate with Sky in the interests of the viewer, and as expected, Sky don't want to know. Therefore I don't see what else they could have done. Unfortunately, you can't just punch a company on the nose....:D
Bt tried to negotiate with sky in the interests of BT, no one else.

cityfan247 14-04-2013 20:31
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the cost of watching sports on tv is going up- or i should say the cost of watching the greed is king Premier League is driving the cost up. Aren't we still in the midst of a worldwide economic recession ? Appears to have no impact on the world of football.

I currently subscribe to Sky Sports (& movies) but am increasingly looking at having to cut back as everything is going up apart from my wages. I'm already paying over £100 pm for my virgin service (as i am sure many other on here are to)- thats over £1200 per year- it's a bit crazy really. I've already downgraded my BB and telephone and scrapped my HD premier channels subscription.(well you dont even get all the Sky Sports HD channels anyway- thanks Sky!) You get to the point where its hard to justify the outlay.

The prospect of having to fork out more for BT Sports well i am increasingly thinking i probably wont. If they charge say £15pm as some think and another £25pm + for sky sports- thats the best part of £500 per year to watch sport on tv. crikey.

You can see why more and more are looking at shall we say 'alternative' ways to watch live sports.

colin25 14-04-2013 20:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cityfan247 (Post 35560872)
the cost of watching sports on tv is going up- or i should say the cost of watching the greed is king Premier League is driving the cost up. Aren't we still in the midst of a worldwide economic recession ? Appears to have no impact on the world of football.

I currently subscribe to Sky Sports (& movies) but am increasingly looking at having to cut back as everything is going up apart from my wages. I'm already paying over £100 pm for my virgin service (as i am sure many other on here are to)- thats over £1200 per year- it's a bit crazy really. I've already downgraded my BB and telephone and scrapped my HD premier channels subscription.(well you dont even get all the Sky Sports HD channels anyway- thanks Sky!) You get to the point where its hard to justify the outlay.

The prospect of having to fork out more for BT Sports well i am increasingly thinking i probably wont. If they charge say £15pm as some think and another £25pm + for sky sports- thats the best part of £500 per year to watch sport on tv. crikey.

You can see why more and more are looking at shall we say 'alternative' ways to watch live sports.
Yes, i am in the same boat. i like the sports...but...not sure i like it that much.

I might not take BT, I think they have the 12:45 saturday slot. Just means I won't catch that game live.

To be honest...most games I could do with not watching (some are dire), and the highlights might suffice

Of course, i say that now, near end of season. Once I have had to live without football over the summer, I might crack :D

tvtimes 14-04-2013 20:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35560860)
Only people losing are the punters
Short term maybe. But if it forces Sky to re-evaluate it's own prices then I am all up for that.
I'll go wherever the best deal is, doesn't bother me as I have no brand loyalty to any of them:D

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35560869)
Well, BT have tried to negotiate with Sky in the interests of the viewer, and as expected, Sky don't want to know. Therefore I don't see what else they could have done. Unfortunately, you can't just punch a company on the nose....:D
In that same article Sky blame BT and say they are happy to share.
I think the fact is both platforms want to make the most money and don't want to lose their trump card to the other.

Chad 14-04-2013 20:51
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BT only have access to SKY Sports 1 and SKY Sports 2 at the moment. I can see SKY finding ways to justify moving some Premiership games over to SKY Sports 3 and SKY Sports 4 to due "broadcasting clashes". This of course would also mean Virgin customers couldn't watch the games in HD.

Chad 15-04-2013 00:48
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BT and Sky kick off pub sports price war

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/db41c2b0-a...#axzz2QU52ecqj

BT will significantly undercut the pricing of Sky subscriptions for pubs as the telecoms group attempts to snatch some of the £300m market for its new sports channel launching this summer.

BT will use Sky’s own platform to show its content, which includes Premier League football and rugby, in pubs where annual subscriptions for the much fuller Sky sports package can easily run into five-figure sums.

Sky has already offered some large pub groups heavy discounts of up to 30 per cent, people with knowledge of recent negotiations told the Financial Times.

The offers mark the first time in two decades that the powerful sports rights holder has been willing to give substantial discounts.

Pub and club subscriptions account for between £200m and £300m of BSkyB’s annual revenues, according to analysts. Most of this drops straight down to the company’s pre-tax profit due to the cost of the rights being fixed.

Sarah Simon, media analyst at Berenberg, said: “This is a very vulnerable profit stream because the revenues are so high-margin. Pubs will leap at some competition from BT because Sky increases the price so aggressively every year.”

The head of one pub chain said of Sky: “They have been fiercely arrogant up until now.”

BT is no longer willing to consider a wholesale agreement with Sky to show its pubs sports as part of the wider Sky Sports broadcast, and will sell to pub customers directly on Sky’s own platform over two channels. As part of this strategy, BT will sell subsidised satellite dishes and boxes to pubs and clubs that do not already have the Sky equipment.

BT estimates that about a fifth of pubs do not show any sport, while half only show free sports on terrestrial TV, which represents a key market for the company given its cheaper sports packages. About a third of pubs show Sky Sports.

Bruce Cuthbert, director for commercial customers at BT Sport, said that the service would be “substantially cheaper” than Sky subscriptions, which are based on business rates.

The tariff leaves pubs facing a large subscription bill even if they are not a specialist sports bar. One pub in west London faced an annual bill of £40,000 for a subscription, despite only having two small screens.

Mr Cuthbert said that BT sports would be a “lighter” product to appeal to pubs that want a little extra but not pay for the full Sky package. “There is a market that previously has not had sports,” he said.

A spokeswoman for BSkyB said: “For more than a year now – and pre-dating the purchase by BT of any rights – our strategy has been to extend our reach into a broader range of outlets via additional pricing options, and to deepen our relationships with existing customers with the rollout of WiFi and great events like the forthcoming Ashes Series.”

Last summer, BT paid £738m for the rights to 32 Premier League football games per season for three years in order to bolster its TV service and compete directly with Sky with bundled offers of TV and broadband. It has since acquired the rights to live Premiership rugby matches and WTA live tennis, and is expected to announce several other smaller deals when it launches the service next month.

BT has the first pick of 18 Premier League games – as well as 28 games at Saturday lunchtime, which Mr Cuthbert said would give pubs the chance to create a “regular appointment to view” for their customers. Rugby premiership games will also be shown during the week, he said.

Jameseh 15-04-2013 01:03
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To be fair, most pubs will care about the Premier League and Sky has 3x as many games.

Chad 15-04-2013 01:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35560963)
To be fair, most pubs will care about the Premier League and Sky has 3x as many games.
I agree with you on that however over the past 18 months pubs have been closing at rate of almost 18 per week. I've lost 3 pubs in the past 6 months where I live. Pubs need to cut their cloth accordingly to keep their doors open. SKY appears to be a very greedy monster in terms of pub subscriptions however people want to watch sport when having a pint.

Whilst BT can't offer as many regular games as SKY, their portfolio of sports do offer a cheap alternative that pubs struggling financially might consider. Pubs will also be able to offer plenty of free to air football too such as Scotland internationals on BBC Scotland, England internationals on ITV, FA Cup on ITV, Champions League and Europa League on ITV, Scottish Cup on BBC Scotland plus coverage of both the English and Scottish League Cups on the BBC too.

A pub offering BT Sports, Premier Sports, Boxnation, Eurosport and all free to air sports action on the BBC and ITV including the likes of Wimbledon and The 6 Nations might only cost a fraction of what SKY charge but offer so much more in content variety.

colin25 15-04-2013 05:30
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Let the pubs shut...too many anyway

if they want drink..let them eat cake

denphone 15-04-2013 06:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cityfan247 (Post 35560872)
the cost of watching sports on tv is going up- or i should say the cost of watching the greed is king Premier League is driving the cost up. Aren't we still in the midst of a worldwide economic recession ? Appears to have no impact on the world of football.

I currently subscribe to Sky Sports (& movies) but am increasingly looking at having to cut back as everything is going up apart from my wages. I'm already paying over £100 pm for my virgin service (as i am sure many other on here are to)- thats over £1200 per year- it's a bit crazy really. I've already downgraded my BB and telephone and scrapped my HD premier channels subscription.(well you dont even get all the Sky Sports HD channels anyway- thanks Sky!) You get to the point where its hard to justify the outlay.

The prospect of having to fork out more for BT Sports well i am increasingly thinking i probably wont. If they charge say £15pm as some think and another £25pm + for sky sports- thats the best part of £500 per year to watch sport on tv. crikey.

You can see why more and more are looking at shall we say 'alternative' ways to watch live sports.
Summed up perfectly.

denphone 15-04-2013 09:12
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Talks between BT and Sky over sports TV rights reach stalemate.

http://www.cityam.com/article/talks-...each-stalemate

Quote:
TALKS between BT and Sky over TV rights have stalled, raising the prospect that BT customers will not have access to Sky Sports channels.

Ahead of the launch of BT’s sports channels this summer, the two companies are locked in discussions over distributing each other’s content on their own platforms but have so far been unable to agree over pricing.

BT has pledged that its content, which will include 38 Premier League football games per season from September, will appear on the Sky platform whether or not the parties clinch a wholesale deal that would see the channel sold through Sky. However, the two parties have also not come to an agreement over broadcasting Sky’s sports channels on BT’s platform.

The satellite broadcaster currently sells its Sky Sports 1 and 2 channels to customers of other broadcasters, such as TalkTalk and Virgin Media, as well as BT’s Vision service. However, a recent competition ruling means that Sky is now not required to offer Sky Sports to other broadcasters, and in the face of an increasing threat from BT, it could choose to stop selling the channels.

johnasimmons 15-04-2013 11:37
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I wonder if VM will make a deal with BT for their channels or BT will go it alone...

denphone 15-04-2013 11:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35561022)
I wonder if VM will make a deal with BT for their channels or BT will go it alone...
My own hunch is l think VM will make a deal with BT.

andy_m 15-04-2013 12:25
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Had Bt got what they wanted from the rights auction I think we would have seen them try to go alone and smash Sky's dominance. The fact that they didn't, and paid well over the odds in the process, I think means Virgin are in a reasonable position to agree carriage deals. On what terms, however, is currently anyone's guess.

muppetman11 15-04-2013 12:47
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If Dens link is to be believed you'd have to question how popular BT Vision would become if an agreement wasn't reached for the Sky Sports channels especially as no agreement is in place for the Sky Entertainment channels as of yet , my feelings are at the moment that the two behemoths are just sparring with each other and an agreement will be reached at some point.

Chad 15-04-2013 12:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35560985)
Talks between BT and Sky over sports TV rights reach stalemate.

http://www.cityam.com/article/talks-...each-stalemate
"The satellite broadcaster currently sells its Sky Sports 1 and 2 channels to customers of other broadcasters, such as TalkTalk and Virgin Media, as well as BT’s Vision service. However, a recent competition ruling means that Sky is now not required to offer Sky Sports to other broadcasters, and in the face of an increasing threat from BT, it could choose to stop selling the channels."

I didn't know this. Didn't I read recently that SKY are stalling talks with Virgin in regards to a new carriage deal for SKY Sports until they know what kind of deal BT agree with Virgin?

Just think of the potential ramifications. If BT and Sky don’t agree a mutually acceptable deal, SKY could very well pull SKY Sports off the BT platform. If BT and Virgin agree a deal for BT sports to go into the XL package, SKY could pull SKY Sports off the Virgin platform. That would mean the only place to get all football fixtures would be SKY as BT have already confirmed their channels will definitely be on the SKY platform.

Whilst people might suggest SKY will never do this due to lost revenue, I think it’s a real possibility. SKY could offer SKY Sports directly to BT customers via NOW TV. SKY could also restructure their pricing for SKY Sports to attract customers from both BT and Virgin.

OLD BOY 15-04-2013 13:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tvtimes (Post 35560878)
In that same article Sky blame BT and say they are happy to share.
Yeah, yeah....:rolleyes:

denphone 15-04-2013 13:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35561071)
If Dens link is to be believed you'd have to question how popular BT Vision would become if an agreement wasn't reached for the Sky Sports channels especially as no agreement is in place for the Sky Entertainment channels as of yet , my feelings are at the moment that the two behemoths are just sparring with each other and an agreement will be reached at some point.
Yes lets hope they are sparring with each other because if they are not the ramifications for us all could be significant.

OLD BOY 15-04-2013 13:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35560965)
SKY appears to be a very greedy monster in terms of pub subscriptions however people want to watch sport when having a pint.

Whilst BT can't offer as many regular games as SKY, their portfolio of sports do offer a cheap alternative that pubs struggling financially might consider. Pubs will also be able to offer plenty of free to air football too such as Scotland internationals on BBC Scotland, England internationals on ITV, FA Cup on ITV, Champions League and Europa League on ITV, Scottish Cup on BBC Scotland plus coverage of both the English and Scottish League Cups on the BBC too.

A pub offering BT Sports, Premier Sports, Boxnation, Eurosport and all free to air sports action on the BBC and ITV including the likes of Wimbledon and The 6 Nations might only cost a fraction of what SKY charge but offer so much more in content variety.
Yes, I agree with that assessment. Those pubs who are questioning the value of the Sky deal may well decide to 'downsize' to make this a more viable proposition, and pubs that don't currently provide premium sports viewing may decide to do so at the lower price. This could impact on Sky significantly. It'll be interesting to see how they respond.

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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35561074)
"The satellite broadcaster currently sells its Sky Sports 1 and 2 channels to customers of other broadcasters, such as TalkTalk and Virgin Media, as well as BT’s Vision service. However, a recent competition ruling means that Sky is now not required to offer Sky Sports to other broadcasters, and in the face of an increasing threat from BT, it could choose to stop selling the channels."
That was not my understanding of the current position. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...kyb-sky-sports

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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35561074)

Whilst people might suggest SKY will never do this due to lost revenue, I think it’s a real possibility. SKY could offer SKY Sports directly to BT customers via NOW TV. SKY could also restructure their pricing for SKY Sports to attract customers from both BT and Virgin.
No, I don't think that the regulators would permit Sky to do this. The position currently is that BT will deal with Sky customers directly rather than through Sky.

However, the position with Virgin Media is now interesting. If VM do a deal with BT which enables the cable operator to offer its BT Sports channels at a discount compared with Sky, then Sky might think again about its strategy and BT might yet get their way. We could even get a 'loss leader' arrangement that will force Sky to play ball with BT and give them what they have asked for.

denphone 15-04-2013 14:10
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Some interesting media analysis here on the ongoing spat.

http://mediatel.co.uk/newsline/2013/...sky-round-one/

http://mediaweek.co.uk/channel/Telev...ble-standards/

tvtimes 15-04-2013 14:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35561032)
My own hunch is l think VM will make a deal with BT.
Can't see Bt willing to do that. Why strengthen a rival platforms tv service?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35561074)
"The satellite broadcaster currently sells its Sky Sports 1 and 2 channels to customers of other broadcasters, such as TalkTalk and Virgin Media, as well as BT’s Vision service. However, a recent competition ruling means that Sky is now not required to offer Sky Sports to other broadcasters, and in the face of an increasing threat from BT, it could choose to stop selling the channels."

I didn't know this. Didn't I read recently that SKY are stalling talks with Virgin in regards to a new carriage deal for SKY Sports until they know what kind of deal BT agree with Virgin?

Just think of the potential ramifications. If BT and Sky don’t agree a mutually acceptable deal, SKY could very well pull SKY Sports off the BT platform. If BT and Virgin agree a deal for BT sports to go into the XL package, SKY could pull SKY Sports off the Virgin platform. That would mean the only place to get all football fixtures would be SKY as BT have already confirmed their channels will definitely be on the SKY platform.

Whilst people might suggest SKY will never do this due to lost revenue, I think it’s a real possibility. SKY could offer SKY Sports directly to BT customers via NOW TV. SKY could also restructure their pricing for SKY Sports to attract customers from both BT and Virgin.
Sky couldn't afford to do what you're proposing I don't think.
They have paid well over what they would normally have paid. They will have lost significant profits and they will need to recover that overspend and they can't exactly whack the prices up to an unacceptable level because the majority of people just wouldn't pay it.

The pricing model for Now tv for PL football is a complete rip off.

Jameseh 15-04-2013 14:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tvtimes (Post 35561138)
Can't see Bt willing to do that. Why strengthen a rival platforms tv service?
Because BT don't have full Sky Sports so there is no chance in hell of sports fans switching from Virgin TV to BT Vision, so leaving it off Virgin means they would miss out on 3 million possible subscriptions, something they can't afford.

andy_m 15-04-2013 15:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35561142)
Because BT don't have full Sky Sports so there is no chance in hell of sports fans switching from Virgin TV to BT Vision, so leaving it off Virgin means they would miss out on 3 million possible subscriptions, something they can't afford.
Exactly right. Had Bt won all the rights they wanted then sport fans would have signed up from both Sky and Virgin, but they didn't.

BexTech 15-04-2013 15:29
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Not paid for Sky Sports for years, yet still manage to watch the matches I want and Saturday 3PM games too.

denphone 15-04-2013 15:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35560863)
And yet some people still don't believe that Sky have effectively prevented VM from getting Sky Atlantic, :rolleyes:
Indeed as there's nothing like The blind leading the blind.:D

Jameseh 15-04-2013 15:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BexTech (Post 35561149)
Not paid for Sky Sports for years, yet still manage to watch the matches I want and Saturday 3PM games too.
I bet you don't go to the cinema or buy DVDs either?

Media Boy UK 15-04-2013 15:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35561151)
Indeed as there's nothing like The blind leading the blind.:D
I saw See no Evil, Hear no Evil yesterday ON 5*.

Chad 15-04-2013 18:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35561074)
"The satellite broadcaster currently sells its Sky Sports 1 and 2 channels to customers of other broadcasters, such as TalkTalk and Virgin Media, as well as BT’s Vision service. However, a recent competition ruling means that Sky is now not required to offer Sky Sports to other broadcasters, and in the face of an increasing threat from BT, it could choose to stop selling the channels."

I didn't know this. Didn't I read recently that SKY are stalling talks with Virgin in regards to a new carriage deal for SKY Sports until they know what kind of deal BT agree with Virgin?

Just think of the potential ramifications. If BT and Sky don’t agree a mutually acceptable deal, SKY could very well pull SKY Sports off the BT platform. If BT and Virgin agree a deal for BT sports to go into the XL package, SKY could pull SKY Sports off the Virgin platform. That would mean the only place to get all football fixtures would be SKY as BT have already confirmed their channels will definitely be on the SKY platform.

Whilst people might suggest SKY will never do this due to lost revenue, I think it’s a real possibility. SKY could offer SKY Sports directly to BT customers via NOW TV. SKY could also restructure their pricing for SKY Sports to attract customers from both BT and Virgin.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tvtimes (Post 35561138)
Can't see Bt willing to do that. Why strengthen a rival platforms tv service?

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Sky couldn't afford to do what you're proposing I don't think.
They have paid well over what they would normally have paid. They will have lost significant profits and they will need to recover that overspend and they can't exactly whack the prices up to an unacceptable level because the majority of people just wouldn't pay it.

The pricing model for Now tv for PL football is a complete rip off.
I think the article I quoted have it wrong. Surely SKY must still have to wholesale SKY Sports 1 and 2.

I still think Virgin are still caught in the middle of the battle between SKY and BT. SKY are holding out from negotiating a new carriage with Virgin, for SKY Sports, until they see what deal BT and Virgin agree for the BT Sports channels. If BT Sports go into the XL package, and SKY can't agree a similar wholesale deal with BT, I can see the following happening:

1. SKY Sports 3 & 4 being withheld from Virgin and BT
2. SKY Sports 1 & 2 HD being withheld from Virgin
3. A sudden hike in the wholesale price for SKY Sports 1 & 2

SKY have already confirmed they do not rely on advertising revenue so SKY Sports 3 & 4 being withheld from Virgin would not be a big loss. Whilst there would be a dip in revenue coming in via Virgin due to witholding channels, SKY could easily make up the shortfall by attracting new customers with half price offers and being able to advertise they are the only platform in the UK to carry all SKY Sports channels and all BT Sports channels.

We've seen SKY making decisions that people didn't think possible, or reasonable, in the past. The SKY basic channels being withdrawn from Virgin for 18 months, SKY Sports News being taken off freeview and put behind a paywall and if you beleive what you read SKY Atlantic being withheld even thought other TV providers are making good offers for the channel. If SKY can't get the deal they want from BT, I think the ramifications for everyone else could be grim.

denphone 15-04-2013 18:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35561193)
I think the article I quoted have it wrong. Surely SKY must still have to wholesale SKY Sports 1 and 2.

I still think Virgin are still caught in the middle of the battle between SKY and BT. SKY are holding out from negotiating a new carriage with Virgin, for SKY Sports, until they see what deal BT and Virgin agree for the BT Sports channels. If BT Sports go into the XL package, and SKY can't agree a similar wholesale deal with BT, I can see the following happening:

1. SKY Sports 3 & 4 being withheld from Virgin and BT
2. SKY Sports 1 & 2 HD being withheld from Virgin
3. A sudden hike in the wholesale price for SKY Sports 1 & 2

SKY have already confirmed they do not rely on advertising revenue so SKY Sports 3 & 4 being withheld from Virgin would not be a big loss. Whilst there would be a dip in revenue coming in via Virgin due to witholding channels, SKY could easily make up the shortfall by attracting new customers with half price offers and being able to advertise they are the only platform in the UK to carry all SKY Sports channels and all BT Sports channels.

We've seen SKY making decisions that people didn't think possible, or reasonable, in the past. The SKY basic channels being withdrawn from Virgin for 18 months, SKY Sports News being taken off freeview and put behind a paywall and if you beleive what you read SKY Atlantic being withheld even thought other TV providers are making good offers for the channel. If SKY can't get the deal they want from BT, I think the ramifications for everyone else could be grim.
And if any of the above named happens then Sky will be signing a death warrant in respect of their whole reputation which increasingly to a lot of people is that of a greedy immoral moneygrabbing offshoot reminiscent of Murdoch's nefarious and insidious empire.

coulsontom 15-04-2013 18:42
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If Sky Sports 3&4 are withdrawn from Virgin, we will leave for Sky. Golf is constantly on 3 and 4 apart from majors. plus champions league.

As it stands golf not being in hd b/c it's on 3 or 4 is annoying, not to get it at all would be poor.

Glad we are not bound to contract now and have a 1 month get out. defo not committing to new deal until rights deals sorted.

colin25 15-04-2013 18:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35561206)
And if any of the above named happens then Sky will be signing a death warrant in respect of their whole reputation which increasingly to a lot of people is that of a greedy immoral moneygrabbing offshoot reminiscent of Murdoch's nefarious and insidious empire.
lol..you never thought much of sky..so not much can change :)

denphone 15-04-2013 18:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35561209)
lol..you never thought much of sky..so not much can change :)
Sky have done some excellent things in the last 20 years :Yes::Yes: but if they were to take the steps that Chad speculates about then for many people this will further dent their increasingly tattered reputation and further on will put off a lot of people from never ever subscribing again to their premium channels.:nono::nono:

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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35561209)
lol..you never thought much of sky..so not much can change :)
The master certainly has some loyal servants but l suppose its the case of the blind leading the blind one suspects.;):luv:

Chad 15-04-2013 19:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35561206)
And if any of the above named happens then Sky will be signing a death warrant in respect of their whole reputation which increasingly to a lot of people is that of a greedy immoral moneygrabbing offshoot reminiscent of Murdoch's nefarious and insidious empire.
I don't think SKY will care at all. They've shown before with the SKY basic situation that they are prepared to take a massive hit on their reputation to try and secure their business position. The only people who would really lose respect in SKY would be those effected if SKY choose to withhold channels. How many people subscribe to SKY Sports via BT and Virgin? 1 million? 1.5 million? When SKY pulled SKY basics in 2007, 3.3 million Virgin subscribers where effected. SKY potentially witholding the likes of SKY Sports 1 & 2 HD and SKY Sports 3 & 4 doesn't even come close to what they did with SKY basics 6 years ago.

SKY have form. I think there might be some massive changes in sports packages accross all providers in the next 3 to 4 months.

passingbat 15-04-2013 19:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35561193)
and if you beleive what you read SKY Atlantic being withheld even thought other TV providers are making good offers for the channel..
Yes Sky already have a solution to stop BT advertising on Sky sports channels; make the cost so prohibitively high that BT wouldn't pay it. That way they can say they will take BT advertising, but know it will never happen. That strategy worked to prevent any other provider from getting Atlantic. Someone at Sky must be asleep to have missed that trick ;)

tvtimes 15-04-2013 19:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35561142)
Because BT don't have full Sky Sports so there is no chance in hell of sports fans switching from Virgin TV to BT Vision, so leaving it off Virgin means they would miss out on 3 million possible subscriptions, something they can't afford.
How do you know for sure? If BT retail it properly and bundle it with their Infinity and phone why wouldn't people move? I am seriously considering moving if the price is right and I am not going to be the only one.

Why would BT invest over a billion pound in to this channel and then allow Virgin to give it away in their top pack which would cause Youview/btv to become a weaker service? That wouldn't make sense.

The whole point of doing this deal is strengthen their own triple play offering and BT have stated so themselves.

By the way BT CAN afford to do it. They make £2bn profit a year.

Chad 15-04-2013 19:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35561226)
Yes Sky already have a solution to stop BT advertising on Sky sports channels; make the cost so prohibitively high that BT wouldn't pay it. That way they can say they will take BT advertising, but know it will never happen. That strategy worked to prevent any other provider from getting Atlantic. Someone at Sky must be asleep to have missed that trick ;)
That's why I expect SKY to get their own way. Veterans of taking risky and controversial decisions to provide their subscribers with the best experience possible. SKY have almost 11 million customers who really don't care how they get their business done. SKY have shown before they are prepared to take make very unpopular decisions, which costs them advertising and wholesale revenue, if it suits their long term goal. Do BT have the balls to do the same thing? And what if anything can Virgin really do?

OLD BOY 15-04-2013 19:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35561193)
I think the article I quoted have it wrong. Surely SKY must still have to wholesale SKY Sports 1 and 2.

I still think Virgin are still caught in the middle of the battle between SKY and BT. SKY are holding out from negotiating a new carriage with Virgin, for SKY Sports, until they see what deal BT and Virgin agree for the BT Sports channels. If BT Sports go into the XL package, and SKY can't agree a similar wholesale deal with BT, I can see the following happening:

1. SKY Sports 3 & 4 being withheld from Virgin and BT
2. SKY Sports 1 & 2 HD being withheld from Virgin
3. A sudden hike in the wholesale price for SKY Sports 1 & 2

SKY have already confirmed they do not rely on advertising revenue so SKY Sports 3 & 4 being withheld from Virgin would not be a big loss. Whilst there would be a dip in revenue coming in via Virgin due to witholding channels, SKY could easily make up the shortfall by attracting new customers with half price offers and being able to advertise they are the only platform in the UK to carry all SKY Sports channels and all BT Sports channels.
Not that you prefer the doomsday scenario, Chad! ;)

Frankly, I don't see that happening. And as for Sky Sports 3 and 4 being withheld from Virgin, they may not mind losing a bit of advertising revenue, but don't forget that this is because they rely on subscriptions. They would certainly miss them!

If Sky were to try to withhold these channels from VM, OFCOM and, if necessary, the Competition Commission would have to step in to prevent more riots on the streets! I'm cutting out my Murdoch mask as I speak....

Chad 15-04-2013 20:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35561253)
Not that you prefer the doomsday scenario, Chad! ;)
It's only doomsday if you are not with the right TV provider come August :D

Mad Max 15-04-2013 21:08
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Where's Ben when you need him, would be interesting to see what he says!

Mr Banana 15-04-2013 21:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35561294)
It's only doomsday if you are not with the right TV provider come August :D
If you don't watch football its no problem at all

Chad 15-04-2013 21:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35561321)
If you don't watch football its no problem at all
Can't agree more. The impact of SKY potentially withholding some channels from BT and Virgin isn't going to effect everyone. Many BT, Virgin and SKY customers don't care at all for sports.

Mr Banana 15-04-2013 21:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35561330)
Can't agree more. The impact of SKY potentially withholding some channels from BT and Virgin isn't going to effect everyone. Many BT, Virgin and SKY customers don't care at all for sports.
Eventually the whole sports bubble will pop. When the rights are next contested what are they going to bid then?

Chad 15-04-2013 21:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35561333)
Eventually the whole sports bubble will pop. When the rights are next contested what are they going to bid then?
Again I agree. There will be a time when the consumer pushes back and refuses to pay. About 8 months ago I cancelled SKY Sports and SKY Movies. I had Boxnation, ESPN and whatever sport was live on free to air TV. I didn't find myself really missing what was on SKY Sports at all. I was more than happy watching Match of the Day and midweek Champions League highlights. The only reason I have SKY Sports and SKY Movies now is because I get them for half price.

harry_hitch 15-04-2013 23:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35561321)
If you don't watch football its no problem at all
This is true, although I do miss the Ashes, the odd England RFU international and the Ryder cup:(. All events happen so rarely though, it's just not worth paying the subs.

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Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35561333)
Eventually the whole sports bubble will pop. When the rights are next contested what are they going to bid then?
Yup, the sooner the better in my eyes. Overpaid, prima donna footballers drive me insane. When/if the Sky money dries out over here, they will soon chase it else where. However, I think many football fans will continue to pay higher sums of money because it will still be cheaper than paying for tickets.

BexTech 16-04-2013 00:11
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Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35561152)
I bet you don't go to the cinema or buy DVDs either?
Yes, go to cinema.

No, don't buy DVDs, buy Blu-Ray discs.

Said I don't pay for Sky Sports, didn't say I don't pay for a sports subscription tho.

denphone 16-04-2013 06:46
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35561294)
It's only doomsday if you are not with the right TV provider come August :D
We are preparing our legions to send forth to banish the master and his pesky little minions as l speak.:D

andy_m 16-04-2013 08:07
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
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Originally Posted by BexTech (Post 35561417)
Yes, go to cinema.

No, don't buy DVDs, buy Blu-Ray discs.

Said I don't pay for Sky Sports, didn't say I don't pay for a sports subscription tho.
I think I would find foreign commentary irritating, or can you get English language options?

BexTech 16-04-2013 08:15
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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35561470)
I think I would find foreign commentary irritating, or can you get English language options?
English Language still at the moment.

denphone 16-04-2013 09:36
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
BT Vision sets out its plans for a new look to televised rugby union.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013...ed-rugby-union

BT Vision ready to fight Sky for Heineken Cup

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/r...p-8574208.html


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