Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Are we talking before or after the Andrex has been used?

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I actually tried to read it, after a few minutes of it being painfully clear it wasn't a white paper but instead a fantasists election manifesto I thought my eyes were going to start bleeding.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I don't suppose that came as much of a surprise to you. ;)

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

It's an epic fantasy full of epic plot holes. Such as the projected size of Scotland's deficit, which The Fat One would have you believe would, in the worst case, be no bigger than £5.5 billion, but which the Treasury has today estimated to be more than £9 billion. They have run the numbers and come to broadly the same conclusion as the IFS and Citi Group.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-scenario.html

Given Alec's professed love of financial experts, will he now accept his figures are hopelessly optimistic?

No, I didn't think he would either. Never mind, it's probably more fun watching them squirm anyway.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

It's George Soros' turn to bully Alex Salmond today.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...mpossible.html

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

My favorite of the CyberNats' delusions is their optimistic interpretation of the polling. It's eerily reminiscent of the arguments the Republicans were using back in 2012 to convince themselves that Romney was about to win the election. They are in for a nasty shock come September.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I've believed for some time that the Cybernats' biggest problem is that they colonised the internet so effectively in the years prior to the referendum being called that they have ended up believing their own propaganda. They have spent so many years reading overwhelmingly nationalist messages on blogs and beneath news stories at Scotsman.com that they have lost sight of the fact that it is largely their own, small, highly motivated group of fellow travellers that is responsible for it.

Plus, the Yes campaign is doing a lot of doorstepping around soft targets like Glasgow's east end council estates and sending its footsoldiers out with scripts to read and leading questions to ask. It's hardly surprising that they're getting overwhelmingly positive feedback, that's exactly what the technique is designed to produce. But all it's producing is temporary noise which allows the gullible to believe there really is going to be a two-thirds Yes vote in September.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Salmond's really not much of a "Braveheart" is he. His droning and whining is more reminiscent of a perforated bagpipe... :D

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

He will still come back with some more lies and then fall flat on his face. There is no chance of a yes vote

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Sir David Ormand, former director of GCHQ, bullies Alex Salmond over his plans for McI5.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...elligence.html

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I think we need a list of companies and people who are bullying Scotland and those that aren't....

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I wonder if, after the Scots reject the SNP's nonsense, they'll try to launch a group compensation claim for bullying induced PTSD. :D

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They really haven't thought it all through have they. If it wasn't so pathetic it'd be laughable.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Crazy Alex seems to think he can just set things up at the drop of a hat and all will be well by then end of the first parliament of independence totally showing a complete lack of understanding in terms of military and intelligence matters. What worries me in the unlikely event they voted for independence is that scotland would become the open back door into the rest of the UK while they are trying to get it right. That's just the practical side of setting everything up god alone knows what sums they have dreamed up for the cost but if it's anything like their other sums scottish taxpayers would be in for one hell of a nasty shock at some point.

At this point has this imbecile got any credibility left and does he really believe he can hoodwink the entire scottish electorate with his lofty promises backed up by nothing other then his own hot air oh and that dotty little woman i see on the news a lot spouting similar rubbish. Scotland deserves a much better public face then it has right now hopefully after the no vote work can start on getting a more deserving public face.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

More bullying

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...iness-26559739

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Agreed

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RUSI becomes the latest organisation to kick Aleck to the ground and take his dinner money:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...tal-flaws.html

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Hopefully,all those wee firms will leave us after our Independence is won,it will be great tae see them leave with their tails firmly between their legs.

I notice a few on here have quoted from the Telegraph recently yet nobody dared tae add this wee bit,funny that,eh?
Sqeaky bum time for Labour.:)

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Fears grow in Cabinet of a "constitutional crisis" which would put the election in doubt, as legal expert warns that Scottish independence could bring down the next government

The 2015 general election will be thrown into turmoil if Scotland votes for independence in September’s referendum, according to government legal advice.

An election is scheduled to be held on May 7 next year but by then Scotland could already be preparing to separate from the rest of the United Kingdom.

Independence would make Scotland less secure, Philip Hammond warns
David Cameron: Scotland to be allowed to set own taxes
Scottish MPs 'to continue shaping English law after independence vote'
The leading lawyer who wrote the Westminster government’s legal advice on Scottish independence is now warning that a “Yes” vote in the referendum would have major ramifications for the election, and could destabilise the next British government.

Cabinet ministers fear that if Alex Salmond’s independence campaign succeeds, the general election would be in grave doubt, plunging Britain into an unprecedented “constitutional crisis”.

In a memorandum for the House of Lords, Professor Alan Boyle, a specialist in international law at Edinburgh University, outlined two options for the election if Scotland chooses independence on September 18.

Emergency laws could be passed months before the election to ban the 59 Scottish constituencies from taking part and hold polls only in England, Wales and Northern Ireland next May, he said.

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"Less secure."
Aye,in yer dreams laddie.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Yes because the loss of thousands of jobs, millions in tax revenue and all the associated business that large firms support will be excellent news for the economy of a new Scotland. :rolleyes:

The SNP are doing the labour "bankers bonuses" trick of pledging to fill several huge budget holes from the same source, the same source that's dropped in value over the last fee years and will continue to do so.

Don't worry I'm sure fat eck has a plan to set up a barter system where everything is paid for with ginger bottles and fried mars bars.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Look humourless drone stop bullying Jimi with facts and away and enjoy your freedom, you've nestled under the yoke of English oppression to long

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Well it won't be all bad, just think how much quieter it'll be up there if the SNP gets its way... :D

Salmond does like to have his cake and eat it. I reckon he should put his money where his mouth is and go for total independence not his version which is akin to children leaving home but popping back every weekend when the cupboard's empty, the money's run out and the dirty washing needs doing. I've often heard Salmond claim that an independent Scotland would be a good friend to its immediate neighbours, however that promise seems to be predicated on the SNP being able to choose its obligations/commitments as if it were filling a pick 'n' mix bag at Woolworths.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Yes, kind of makes you wonder why all those Tories are so against separatism. It's almost as if they think it's a genuinely bad idea. :rolleyes:

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

The SNP are very unhappy with Andrew Marr daring to suggest on his programme there may be others with a different viewpoint to theirs.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ependence.html

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Salmond has totally lost it. They have all totally lost it. All they have left in the armoury is victimhood.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I would have thought that Marr putting forward an alternate viewpoint would have given them an ideal opportunity to point out any supposed errors and flaws in those views. The fact that instead, they got all in a huff about it, says it all.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Other opinions.

"The Scottish Parliament has heard a number of incredibly eminent witnesses explain how and why Scotland would continue as a member of the EU on independence. That appears to have been ignored by the Andrew Marr programme in favour of an opinion from the President of the Commission that has been roundly rejected by EU experts. Any assessment of the balance of evidence would show an independent Scotland continuing in the EU."

Easy to see why Salmond got into such a tizz.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Salmond got in a tizz because he is under immense pressure and was bound to crack sooner or later. The fact is, the SNP's entire raison d'etre is independence, they have had forever to plan how they would do it, and yet when it came to it the plan was far too easily shredded by the opposition. You just can't build a credible plan built on assertions about the goodwill of people you routinely insult in public.

Yes, there are people who think that Scotland could negotiate its way into the EU prior to separation occurring, but - and Marr did not ignore this, he actually pointed it out to Salmond - none of them is either currently in office, or has ever been in an elected position.

In terms of weighing up contrary opinions Barrosso and Van Rumpuy quite simply trump the compliant 'experts' the SNP has chosen to build its case on.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

You cannot simply dismiss their opinions Chris. Everyone is entitled to one - whether "trumped" or not.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

We're a long way past opinions, Mr A. This referendum debate is now about the cold, hard facts. Facts (and assertions) can be challenged, tested, found wanting and cast aside. That's what everyone who marks a X on their ballot paper will do in September.

They may cast the other side's views aside based on hard-headed analysis or on gut feeling, but cast it aside they will.

As for me, I've dismissed nothing - I believe the separatist case is lamentable. It is ill-prepared and the white paper doesn't even make the case for a lot of what the SNP has claimed to want for Scotland over many years. I believe their case doesn't stand up to scrutiny and I reject it on that basis. They can keep their opinions. Why shouldn't they - opinions are like anuses. Everyone has one.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

The whole thing is little more than a badly choreographed bun fight.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

On that, we agree. And beneath it, the polls have not shifted significantly in either direction. Amongst those certain to vote, it's 2-1 in favour of the Union, same as it's always been.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I'm quite surprised - if not a little bemused - that there isn't more "noise" from this side of the pond about the whole affair.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

But the SNP had some cast iron legal guidance that an independent Scotland would continue as an EU member, they must have. I mean they wouldn't have ****ed away £20,000 of taxpayers money on legal challenges to show the guidance if it didn't exist would they?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...al-advice.html

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Thing is they can't and wont have it all ways.

Let's say that they would be allowed to join the EU, there's no way they be allowed to keep the pound.

He seems to forget that an agreement is usually reached by agreeing terms from both sides. Not just yours.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

As with most things relating to this bunfight there are other takes on the pound issue.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Good article, with an excellent final paragraph.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

That article appears to focus on showing how Scotland could. That, however, is not the issue. The issue is whether anyone likely to be sitting in No.11. Downing Street in the event of separation negotiations taking place, being of the view that Scotland should.

Every single one of the men who could theoretically be Chancellor after 2015 has stood up and said, repeatedly, "not on my watch".

So, it is not a case of what could be made to work. It is a case of what the politicians running the residual UK would be minded to agree to. And that aint much.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Yes, but let's not forget these are the same type of people who told us (again collectively) that they didn't talk to terrorists and now share devolved Government with them.

Politicians of whatever hue will, as always, play to the gallery until it comes down to the wire whereby they then re-evaluate their position in situations where things don't go "their way". Throughout history this has been the case. Voting on an independant Scotland won't, in my opinion, change their behaviours in that regard.

A healthy dose of skepticism isn't necessarily a bad thing.

It would be interesting if the majority voted yes and called what may well be their bluff.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

While all you say is true, I don't see a direct analogy.

The development of a peace process and devolved government took many years of subtle behind the scenes work. It didn't shift rapidly within the time scale we have for this referendum.

Also, Westminster politicians typically equivocate and use weasel words when they are put on the spot to make a commitment they know they may later have to renege on (unless you're an utter fool, c.f. Nick Clegg and tuition fees). The striking thing about the currency debate is the repeated, explicit language all three parties are using.

If there is any wriggle room in their statements on the refusal of a currency union, I have yet to find it.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Considering an impending a election in September I don't think any politician would dare go back on the Currency Union promise lest they be punished by the voters in May.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Nor will you unless it's a yes vote or it ever becomes patently obvious that the yes vote might win.

That's the beauty of being a lying, conniving, duplicitous sack of s**t MP.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

My point being, if they did keep the pound or a version of it, I doubt they would be allowed into the Eurozone.

I would have thought joining the Euro, would be an entry requirement.

I doubt the eurozone would want 2 countries in the zone with a competeing currency.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Which currency union promise?

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

the promise that there wont be one

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Ireland north and south coexist and trade financially yet one is in the monetary Eurozone and the other isn't.

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Sorry, which particular "promise" are you referring to?

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

The one where Osbourne stated there would be no currency union.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

As does the UK and the rest Europe. that's wasn't the point I was trying to make.

I was under the impression that any NEW country entering the Eurozone would ultimately be required to take on the Euro.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Cheers Damien, I wasn't aware he had as such made a promise on the matter.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I think his pronouncement on the issue might be better described as an "unequivocal statement", however, I think we are descending into word games here.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Word games are what the politicians are best at, as the confusion between a promise, an unequivocal statement and an attempt at a pre-emptive strike as far as a currency union clearly show.

Not my argument, nor my forte either, but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out in the long run.

As I said it's a bunfight of claim and counter claim the reality of which nobody will know until after the fact.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Either way I don't see Osbourne going back on what he said with a pending election. A UK Currency Union is not popular and the SNP have already made it clear they want to compete with the reminder of the UK but lowering corporation tax (paid for by the never-ending Oil money of course) to attract businesses from the UK to Scotland. We would be mad to help them achieve that.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

He "has form", as they say. Leopard / spots.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Yes but those instances are often due to public pressure. In this case the pressure would be on him to keep his current position. Scotland would be mad to assume he is going to change his mind, it's politically and fiscally unwise for him to do so. If Scotland votes to go it alone they will become rivals, we won't lend them a hand.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

My first posting in the current affairs section and I'll answer the question like this.

If Scots feel they are different from the English, Welsh and what's left of the Irish, then yes they should go their own way and we shouldn't do anything about it. But if they say no in the referendum, then the issue should be put to bed forever.

Despite loads of guff on the internet saying how the world is getting closer together, humans are tribal and like to be different from each other. I never considered the Scots a seperate tribe, but they may see it differently.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

It's funny to see the OP being quoted again, more than two years after starting the thread, and having since been banned ... !

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Skipping 50 pages and into today's debate on the currency union issue....

If Scotland went its own way, then the chance of a currency union is zero. But I believe we, the rest of the British, would be generous here and state that in effect the country, the UK, had split into two seperate parts. This is key, because it would mean Scotland could join the euro and would not have to apply for new EU membership.

The rivals issue is exactly why I would not want Scotland to go independent. You can be friends one day and the next...

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I thought it rude to go straight into a thread without addressing the OP's question first. Don't ban me if I quote some other older posts too.:) I've got 50 pages to read on this thread alone.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Banned,are you serious?
It's easy tae get a change of an IP address,I know a guy on a Celtic forum who's been banned 5 times in 3 years on DS,I'm pretty certain there's a few posting on here who've been banned a few times,it's simple tae get a new IP,very simple.

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I'll gladly take my chances and vote YES.
I've noticed a few on this thread who said it would be a dawdle for the BT are now getting a wee bit hot under the collar,perhaps they should get out of the kitchen,eh?

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

The only place getting hot is the fevered imaginations of the cybernats who, bizarrely, seem to think they're on course to win the referendum with two thirds of the vote.

As for bans ... Yes, believe it or not after helping run this forum for nearly 10 years I know one or two of the tricks people use to re-register after getting banned. :rolleyes:

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I hadn't realised that a Yes vote would likely mean Cameron has to resign but I read that this morning.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

We have no written constitution, but convention is a powerful thing. A monumental screw up like losing half the kingdom could quite possibly earn him a meeting without coffee down at the palace.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

It's kind of unfair. If Scotland votes Yes I can hardly see how it's Cameron's fault but I can see how trying to explain how you've lost Scotland to the Queen might be awkward. It would also cause a nightmare of an election in 2015 even some of the sitting MPs won't be able to see out their term and whose votes would be directing the future of a country in which their constituents will soon be leaving. :erm:

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

If the SNP get their way I can think of a few 'conservatives' who'll shake Cameron's hand since it'll be far easier for them to gain office in what's left of the UK when Labour's Scottish contingent disappear from Westminster.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Some (Gary) would say it's a price worth paying to get rid of the chin less one

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

:LOL:

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

How to spot trolls too I imagine... :D

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I think there pretty easy to spot.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Damien,jeezo,tell me something,in fact can anyone tell me what the Tories have EVER done for Scotland,they are and always will be,a noose around our necks.
Stop making excuses for them,they are a nonentity up here,why,because they don't give a damn about us,never have and never will.

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That's why those Scottish Labour ***** (the majority of them) want tae stay in the union,their wee nest egg/gravy train will be finished forever.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

See what i mean :)

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Of course they want to stay in the union as its better!

Jimi you are totally dilusional if you believe the nonsense about an independant Scotland being Ultra wealthy. 100% spin from the SNP.

Its people that think like you that are dangerous. Wanting independance just because they don't like the Tories. Its not them that will be in charge of the UK all the time and in the past haven't been.

Also the points in that little pic you posted aren't correct either. There would still be food banks as there will always be poor folk around no matter what. No country will have 100% wealth. There will not for a start be jobs for every single person that pay enough to live off.

Child poverty and ATOS will not just vanish either. There would also still be social problems and low paid work. Honestly big Alex has you totally fooled and brainwashed.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Yup! :D

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Thought you would :)

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I and many others would rather live in a country where WE make the decisions,yes we know it won't be easy,that's obvious,but what if the rolls were reversed,eh!
What if it was us telling the rest of the U.K. what they can and cannot do,do YOU really think that they'd be happy,of course not,so this is the point I'm trying tae make,let US stand or fall by our decisions,not anyone else's
As for Labour,they sold their souls years ago,hence the reason they got stuffed by the SNP last time around,the Tories have one MP,one for the whole of Scotland,they are an non starter up here.

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Btw Stephen,there are 15 universities in Scotland,14 have had a poll asking who they'd vote for come September 18,12 of them overwhelmingly said they'd vote YES,two,both in Aberdeen said they'd vote no.
If your in any doubt about those findings,simple,phone any of them.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Where is your proof of these polls, as everything I see reported indicates a bigger swing for No from most universities and schools.

So you'd rather a fat gimp and his party tell us what to do, when they don't actually have a clue.

I am not being told what to do by anyone. I am happy with things. Scotland still gets plenty of say as we already have our own parliment and have a lot of our own laws, many of which are plain daft. Illegal to drink on the train after 9pm. No buying alcohol in shops after 10pm. Scottish laws that were passed to tell us what to do! There are of course many more.

I think people forget that Scotland does have powers to change things and do what they want with somethings. Holyrood comes up with silly ideas. I'd rather stick with the UKand thats that.

Its still over 50% in favour of No and less than 30% for Yes amd I honestly don't see that changing much at all.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

You really think so,methinks you are being brainwashed somehow.

Referendum on knife edge as Yes closes gap to five points
THURSDAY, 20 MARCH 2014 00:01 1 COMMENTS
* By Martin Kelly
*
The independence referendum has been blown wide open with a new poll showing support for Yes now just five points behind that of No.
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The poll, conducted by Panelbase, has revealed that support for independence is now sitting at 40%, its highest mark since campaigning began in earnest, with those against sitting at 45% and*Undecided on 15%.

The latest survey, which was commissioned by Newsnet Scotland, surveyed 1036 people between 7-14 March.*

The survey asked - "There will be a referendum on an independent Scotland on the 18th of September.* How do you intend to vote in response to the question: Should Scotland be an independent country?"

The findings mean Yes is up three points since the last Panelbase survey, with No down two.* The number of Don't Knows was also down one point.* The swing to Yes means the No campaign's lead has halved compared with the previous Panelbase survey in February.

When Don't Knows are stripped out, Yes is*on 47% with No on 53%, meaning Yes needs a swing of around three points in order to overtake its rival.

Commenting on the poll findings, Yes Scotland Chief Executive Blair Jenkins said:

"This is an extremely encouraging poll - putting Yes support at its highest level and No at its lowest since last summer.* Excluding 'don't knows', Yes support has now reached 47 per cent to 53 per cent for No - meaning that a swing of only some 3 per cent is needed to put Yes ahead in September, which*we are confident of achieving.* It continues the trend we have seen this year of a steady and significant narrowing of the gap."

The latest survey will be a blow to the No campaign, and follows several weeks of sustained attack with claims that businesses would flee an independent Scotland.* It will also call into question the wisdom of UK Chancellor George Osborne’s visit to Scotland and threats over currency.

Mr Jenkins added: "The scaremongering of the No campaign is backfiring, because people understand that as the 14th wealthiest country in the international league table - compared to the UK's 18th place - Scotland has got what it takes to be an independent country.

"Scotland can, should and must vote Yes - so that we gain the powers needed to build a fair society and prosperous economy, where the wealth of Scotland works for all the people."

The survey showed that Yes is up in every demographic except those aged 55 and over.

Other key areas of interest include:

Among 35-54 year olds, Yes gained 12% (from 36% to 48%) – Yes took 1% from No and 11% from Undecideds.
Among Labour voters, Yes gained 9% (from 17% to 26%) – Yes took 3% from No and 6% from Undecideds.
Commenting on this latest poll from Panelbase, its MD Ivor Knox said: "It's unusual for us to report a Yes lead among both 18-34 and 35-54 age groups and it is also notable that this is the first poll we have conducted showing support for independence rising above a quarter of people who voted for Labour in 2011."

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Brainwashed?? Hahaha that's funny.

I'd prefer a link to the actual story rather than you posting the full article so that I can visit and read for myself.

Especially as that sounds very much like a story for a yes focused site!

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...psokh0laxz.jpg

Hmm.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...rade-1-3347082

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Obviously more blatant bullying from Westminster.

Everyone know North Sea oil is magical, will never fluctuate in value and will forevermore plug any gaps in the budget of an independent Scotland.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Newsnet Scotland might as well be called SNP/Yes Scotland and is a less rabid version of Bella Caledonia. Make your own mind up from the one sided topics in its "News" stories http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-news

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Strange how Panelbase is only showing Q3 of the poll on their site...

http://www.panelbase.com/media/polls...otlandPoll.pdf

I wonder if it is because questions 1 & 2 are the same as their previous poll, which appear to lead the respondents in a specific direction?

http://www.panelbase.com/media/polls...bles020903.pdf

On a slightly amusing note, i don't think Jimi noticed that in the surveys above, the Yes vote has dropped from 44% in September 2013 to 40% in March 2014....

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I'm hearing rumours that the SNP are pledging that, if Scotland becomes independent, the national football and rugby union teams will become world beaters... :D

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Oops,sorry Thomas,I mean Stephen.

http://www.newsnetscotland.com/

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You are quite right,let's not have a nasty Scottish website printing facts when you can look at the EBC (English Broadcasting Co) and read all the pro English rags which print ( in your eyes) the truth.
Can't have any upstarts from north of the border trying tae tell it as it is eh!

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Och,we won the World Cup in 1967 at Wembuleeeee,3-2 going on 23-2.:)

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I'm also hearing that Sean Connery and all those other famous non-resident Scottish patriots will be moving back to the land of their birth so they can pay their dues and enjoy the weather... :D

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Well if anyone knows the benefits of leaving the UK it's Connery.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Or as everyone else called it, the qualifying stages of the European Championship.... ;).

And I believe the final results of that group were that Scotland finished the group on eight points, one behind group winners England (who went through to the semi-finals, unlike Scotland, and finished in third place).....

Nice spin, though........:D

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Lies and spin is all some people have Hugh. It makes them happy when the evidence doesn't stack up in their favour... :D

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Eddie Izzard speaks out... Does making people laugh count as bullying?

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

:D

Trouble is Governments need their compatriots to be resident and pay tax for the common good and some folks don't see it quite like that.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Laugh at them, yes I'd say it's bullying, it's probably why Alec is so insecure

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Jimi Jimi, you're confusing facts with opinions, not for the first time either. Plenty of the English press print arguments from both sides, something the sites you use would never ever do.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

You're just another bully! :D

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

There are more everyday according to the yes vote brigade

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Yup it's fast becoming the SNP v. everyone else... :D

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

So you just provide a weblink rather than an actual link to what you apparently quoted?

Sorry but that site is full of nonsense stories and opinions rather than actual facts.

Also I have nver heard of the EBC, is this a new thing we have all missed?

Telling it like it is?? Right that would be all the businesses and experts then rather than the guff that spouts from Salmond and his cohorts in the SNP, who just claim its bullying and spin:rolleyes:

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Seems like it. That's me and another 50 million or so then :D

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Eh???
http://www.ufwc.co.uk/2007/01/ufwc-c...scotland-1967/
:D

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Sounds like a bit of a growth sector... :D

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Sorry Stephen,you've been brainwashed,it can happen tae anyone.

For as far back as I can remember,Scottish viewers have been robbed,er,I mean short changed by the EBC,we get very little in return for paying the same amount of license fee as the rest of the UK does,a bit like oil come tae think about it.

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Ar...trategy-Review

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Breaking news: Salmond's Tartan Twits announce new tax on bullying... :D

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Eh???? right back atcha...

From the first line of your link Thank you for confirming what I posted...:D

Strange how you focus/fixate on the one International Scotland won in 10 years against England - one could hypothesise you were cherry-picking one thing out of many to perhaps paint a false picture.......

btw, 'Unofficial World Cup'???? So if the Nats don't win the independence Referendum, but gain a majority in the next Scottish Elections, will they have unofficially won the Referendum????;)

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No one has been brainwashed here. I am 100% Scottish and proud to be so, but in the real world an independant Scotland would just not work. We are better together as one nation sharing and helping each other out.

As for you claims of getting little in return, are you aware that MANY of the BBCs gameshows and comedy shows such as Mrs Browns Boys are actually filmed in Glasgow at the BBC studios there. There is also plenty of Scottish stuff made by the BBC. Scottish comedy is one example of great output from the BBC.

However yet again you don't appear to live in the real world.

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It's not often yer right but yer wrong again......http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_...e_Championship

Which club finished top?
SCOTLAND !!!

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:angel:One program you managed tae tell me about,can you make it tae ten?
Look at the amount of rubbish the EBC makes,the only two decent program's they do make are MOTD and Question Time,and the MOTD presenters are obscenely overpaid for what they do in such short time.