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It could all start again after comments like this?

About time something was done about it as most have said?

Boris gets it in the ear?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14481311

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Here's the Darcus Howe interview (turn volume up).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biJgILxGK0o

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In all fairness to Mr. Howe, the interviewer did seem to try to put words in his mouth. I'm not shocked by the recent events, but that hardly means I condone them. A big difference.

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What have I said or done:confused: If I have said anything out of turn I apologise. But it was innocent.:(

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That's my kind of woman :)

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Watercannon icecube carnage is no laughing matter mate.

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And in the current climate, such loose talk has the potential to get you nicked for incitement. Best leave talk of how to cause mayhem to the brain donors who we all want to see locked up. ;)

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OK but I was on about the police using them:( Sorry for the confusion:(:(:(:(

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devilincarnate, it wasn't that. Stuart has kindly replied to my pm and that this was a generic warning about illegal acts - not related to the icecube/capsicum watercannon discussion.

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I know, but there have already been gangs of boozed-up vigilantes on the streets in Manchester looking for an excuse to club a hoodie. Best to just steer clear of talk of violence altogether I think.

While the police may have been criticised for not being more proactive on the streets, the one thing they are very, very good at is gathering evidence online and from CCTV and then kicking people's doors in at 5am on a Sunday. Personally I want to steer many miles away from posting anything on the interwebs that might give them an excuse to pay my front door a visit. It's not very old and wouldn't look great hanging off its hinges.

(EDIT) and yes, as Sparkie says, in any case it was a general warning, not aimed at anyone in particular.

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OK thanks for the clarification and also your time to PM about the subject as well:)

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The Burmese army are the rioters, the missionaries are the innocent people on the street.

And this is what should happen to the rioters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goF6c3YrsF8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gex_ya4-Oo

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Just out of interest, I work in Enfield and here is a picture I took on the way to work on Tuesday.
My commute passes the Sony Distribution centre in Enfield. The chem plant where I work is about a mile or so from the sony centre.
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/08/35.jpg

A short vid i took on my blackberry.
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/08/36.jpg

Taken around 6:30 am.

I had assumed that the fire was recently started, but actually it had been burning before midnight.
http://news.sky.com/home/business/article/16046199

Here it is, before the fire:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&...46.11,,0,-1.83

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12 years of being told you don't have to work to earn a living + 1 year of being told you do.

= institutionalised lazy youth that wants everything given to them without having to earn it ..... Get upset.

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You should not be using a mobile whilst driving (naughty) But thanks for the pics.

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In fairness, we don't know he was driving. He could have been a passenger..

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Looking at the camera angle and also the position on the road, I would say that it was a safe bet that he was? Plus the amount of times that he used "I" in the statement.

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I know. If it's any consolation, I never talk/text whilst driving, even before it became law. I was really just holding the blackberry whilst driving, and pointing it.

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:clap: Nail - Head

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Watching The One Show and she picks up a baseball bat and says the sale of these have gone up :)

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Apart from clearing up this is welcome as well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14449675

HMMMMMMM Full to bursting?

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Whats the chances **** will get their hands on that too!

edit: how does Shaws comments help? who cares if there isn't space. theres a downside to speaking about it and keeping it to yourself, speaking is worse. doesn't take a genius to work that out!

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Most definitely.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...bed-thugs.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gex_ya4-Oo

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This is what happens when trash breeds trash.

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Pot and kettle spring to mind here:erm:

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That was expected. I'm surprised its taken so long.

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It may surprise you to know, that's an American saying. In the years I spent growing up up in the States, that's what they say: trash breeds trash.
I don't like the expression, but there appears to be some truth to it.

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Most definitely.

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I prefer the expression "contempt breeds contamination", But are able to see where you are coming from.

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l thought this was a interesting piece from Max Hasting who says years of liberal dogma have spawned a generation of amoral, uneducated, welfare dependent, brutalised youngsters and l totally agree with his sentiment.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...ed-youths.html

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14465546

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These 2 are what we need:

And also this as well to help those that have lost everything in regards to rioting?

Both from here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14449675

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Nothing like a sweeping generalisation to help denigrate and negativise an entire generation, is there?

Max forgets that a lot from that generation are in the Armed Forces, serving in Afghanistan, and most of my son's and daughter's friends (who are of that generation) are hard-working polite young people.

Let's not let the actions of a minority of knobheads tar an entire generation, eh?

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Does not seem to be going down well with the reports?

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitalt...don-riots.html

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l totally agree that we can;t tar everybody with the same brush but some of his comments did hit the nail on the head as far as the terrible attitude of some of these youngsters but yes there are plenty of young people who work hard, show respect and contribute a lot to our society.

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Link

Good.

Also, here is the link to the GMP's Twitter page, for updates on any trouble...

http://twitter.com/#!/gmpolice

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Yes it is very good but would it not be in the breach of their human rights? Plus also if they are on benefits would the council still have to pay for them:erm:

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And if they do get evicted then they will have totally deserved it.

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What about the human rights of the poor victims.

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http://somethingniceforashraf.tumblr.com/
http://twitter.com/#!/jamiecowen
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...bed-thugs.html

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They will not lose their benefits or be evicted.
if any are, then it's not as a direct result of these riots.

that's just my opinion.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIZV4YYQ2P8

Wouldn't wish to trade places with the boys in blue, for all the tea in China.

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i wonder how brave they would be if the police did start turning on them my guess is they would crap themselves

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I don't agree children are born without any prejustices, its their parents and surroundinds that can mould them.

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That sounds like you are agreeing, though? "Trash" parents have children, and mould them as "trash" = "trash breeds trash".

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That's so depressing to watch.

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hope it all quiet tonight

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Well the rain in the north will keep many off the streets

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It's spitting! :D

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There's more than a little truth in that statement.

However to be fair, I've heard plenty of young people - black, white and Asian - heartily condemning these actions for what they are and disassociating themselves from the mindset (if you can call it that) and excuses of the rioters, looters and serial parasites on society.

In fact, as is often the case, good can come out of this tragedy - whether it be different communities getting together to see off the mobs and clear up the mess, laws/rules being changed to better deal with civil disorder or just recognition of all those young indviduals who have so effectively made the point that they're 'not all the same' and don't deserved to be treated as if they were.

Just as I was after 7/7 when I heard so many Muslim voices condemning the outrage committed by maniacs in their religion's name, I'm greatly heartened by the number of young people I've heard who want no part of this sort of behaviour and have worked very hard to get out of the very same conditions that the **** blame for all their ills.

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Yes, that'll focus the minds of the budding arsonists too.... :D

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Just heard on the news that the risk of a severe punishment for those under 18 years of age is very slim.

that'll be a vast majority of them then.

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Why the hell are they reporting things like this? really are they trying to promoting it?

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If its sky news reporting it what do you expect from a televised version of the sun :)

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Errr............yes

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Indeed.

I think he might get it now

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Maybe we need to alter the thread title to:

"Scottish police assist with English riots which haven't spread to anywhere else in the UK and have nothing to do with the minor disturbances in some parts of Wales" :D

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Indeed. It's amazing how those rioting over civil injustice can be put of by some rain' might ruin their trainers and their blackberrys.

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This is the best evidence we can have that watercannon are the answer... :D

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BB HYPE!!!!!

sorry oops:

That chav on bbc has bugged me all day. I want to throw her into a volcano!!!!!

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Can i help you so we can get her further in :)

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:confused:

Do you mean Harriet Harman? :)

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this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

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Oh yes, there'd be seas of brown, sticky, smelly stuff amongst the 'tough guys'...... :D

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Look like it's calming down. Some minor trouble with EDL groups - probably evidence that mob justice is dangerous - but otherwise all is well with the world.

Wonder what parliament will do tomorrow...

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Aha. Mind you it still sounds a bit like Harriet Harman to me when it comes to attacking the rich :D

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Why are you lot dishing out the justice:erm::D:D:D:D

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yeah they have been annoying me all day since i saw the vid last night :mad:

Apparently when asked why they are targeting their own community "it's because they are rich" was the answer .So someone with a poky little shop barely making any money is rich? ,they are still paying taxes which pay their dole money and their rent and feeds their children ,the stupidity and lack of any inteligence whatsoever is astounding

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back to the Maldives no doubt:rolleyes:

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Well a night in London must rack up the old expesnes eh? ;)

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Well, it's starting to rain here in MK so if it spreads south that will dampen the enthusiasm of the crims.

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No it is just a case that the fires that they start will go out before the brigade gets there:erm:

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nope ,they will just loot the umbrella factory

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Nah blud, dem crims don like da rain. Make da new sneakers look crap innit brah.

;)

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WTFhttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/08/25.gif

What are you saying :confused::confused::confused:

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Those criminals do not like the rain, it would make thier newly looted sneakers a terrible state. Quite in tollerable.

Do you not watch EastEnders?

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No I do not watch Eastenders? I do like to watch things where they speak the Queen's English:erm: But I'am from Yorkshire so tha old twang slips in from time to time:erm::D:D:D:D

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Same here, or have you had a sence of humour bypass? :p:

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The guardian have a interactive map showing verified incidents. http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...s-incident-map

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No bypass here:erm: My sense of humour is way different to most people. Just ask a few members of this forum (better not as I may get in trouble):D

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So nothing's happening at all tonight?

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Depends where you live? As it is getting nice and hot around here (whoops another forum for this)

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Fair do's you are from Yorkshire after all ;)

What I was trying to say in a roundabout way, was that the youth of today are so influenced by TV that they emulate it. They speak like they are in the Bronx rather than speak like the rest of us in, as you say, the Queens English.

This, in my opinion, is wrong. It's not cool, it makes them sound like a twit, as you quite rightly pointed out.

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Thank you, And I understand what you mean blood:D Yes they sound like complete twits (change a letter for what I mean)

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I meant: there doesn't appear to be any sign of rioting/looting in the UK/England tonight? That is, it appears the rioting has finished?

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It's raining, Electrical goods does not like the rain.

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Yes. I've heard it say that rain is the best policeman ever. Still, I think this is the end of it. Whatever 'momentum' there was will be over now, and it actually seemed over in London last night.

Time to round up the suspects...

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Oh yes, let's hope that people recognise the people in the cctv and have the cojones to ring crimestoppers.

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The 11 year old who got done needs to learn from this, he probably has the advantage of turning his life around compared to an adult., i hate seeing kids that young being arrested even though its necessary.

Also im not blaming the parents but why would you let your 11 year old out in the city at 10:15 at night?!.

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Oh dear Osem:rolleyes::rolleyes: you just cannot seem to help it yourself.:naughty::naughty::naughty:

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You'd be right though - it's still England-only :)

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:) As far as i am concerned that is a good thing

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The sad lesson from all this is that the Government has still not learned that prevention is better than cure.

Their lack of a hard-line policy on crime from the time they took power has meant that increasingly criminals feel they can commit a crime and get away with it.

Some of the penalties given out e.g 10 weeks in prison are derisory, very similar to the light sentences given to the corrupt MPs.The Welsh have the right idea. They fine you £400 for dropping litter not the pathetic £50 charged in England.

The government is totally out of touch with the feelings of the public and the feelings of anger experienced by retailers whose businesses have been destroyed by the rioters.

We now have policing and punishment to a price not to a standard. Despite the government's view, prison does work because it keeps yobs like that away from law-abiding people who want to get on with their lives and prevents them from doing expensive damage.

The government say the police have all the tools they need but it's evident that they are not using them and seem to have no effective tactical plan for dealing with large mobs.

It's time to bring back National Service in a phased way and to pay the unemployment benefit of unemployed youths directly to the armed forces who will given them food and meals, a roof over their head, a job and training not to mention foreign travel. The armed forces may not like it but they will get the additional funds they need to maintain their services. It might also show our errant youth how lucky they are to live in a relatively democratic society like ours.

The idea could be extended with unemployment benefit could be paid directly to other businesses willing to take on workers.Just merely expecting the private sector to do it all is pathetic. Direct government action is needed and those on benefit need to earn it by being in a job or training.

Many of our society's ills can be designed away by good strategic planning and creativity and it's about time the government started listening to the public because if they don't the people will be electing a government that does.

This government is displaying too many lapses in judgement and that does not bode well for them or us.That needs to change and we need a government that is more pro-active and ahead of the game.

Only time will tell if that happens.

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I'm not into conspiracies much, but.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/08/33.jpg

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Parts of England, just as England's part of the UK. ;)

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Problem is, there could be full scale carnage and destruction in Wales.................and no one would notice.

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Yes of course, so it's confined to England only at the moment. Glad we can agree on that and happily move on.

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A night out in Swansea isn't a night out in Swansea without some wanton destruction of public property :)

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:tu:

I'm not sure HMG is totally out of touch although there is certainly an element of that. Some of these people have now seen the riots very close to them/theirs so I dare say they're a bit less out of touch now than they might have been. I think the main problem is HMG has taken it's eye off the ball when it comes to the gradual process through which rights have replaced responsibilities. Certain groups have become accustomed to getting what they want without having to earn or even deserve it. Then there's the creeping paralysis of the police and the legal system which has been going on for some time and which has got us to the point where they're so uncertain about what to do they do nothing for long periods. Yes, the laws are there but the interpretation of those laws and sentencing so often now seems to favour the guilty over the innocent.

I heard Sir Hugh Orde this morning and I must say I wasn't left feeling very confident about what he was saying about the new 'robust' approach we're supposed to be implementing and the use of other means by which to handle these disturbances. It seemed to me that he was pretty much saying the tried and tested UK policing model had worked and didn't need to be reformed. Well excuse me but it hasn't seemed to be working very well for much of the past week and if people like him can't accept that then I fear we're in real trouble. If that's 'working' I'd hate to see policing which isn't working.

I also heard another police officer commenting on vigilantism during a TV news programme last night. He was warning people not to do it and asking them leave it all to the police but couldn't really answer they other interviewee (who'd been out with his neighbours to defend their property) when he pointed out the police just weren't there! The officer made a rather silly point IMHO when he suggested that a group of 'vigilantes' like his would be just as frightening to members of the public as groups of rioters. I really don't think that's very likely. For one thing they obviously weren't hooded/masked teenagers carrying weapons of all descriptions and they weren't clearly engaging in wanton destruction or seeking out trouble.



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:rofl: but those who did notice would blame it all on the English... :D

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That's only because the normal folk are out on the fields with the sheep :)

I wonder what's going to be said today?

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No doubt causing thousands of pounds worth of improvements ;)

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Yes, having been there you'd know exactly what the place is like :)