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It was a comment on the hearing, not directed at you, it's just my post got automatically attached to my previous reply to you. Sorry about that.

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Any news on Dave resigning yet?

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i bet a custard pie is the least of his worries i bet every resturaunt he will now go into will have all sorts of bodily fluids put into it.

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This programme would have had a field day over this scandel, and thus needs to come back:D

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Yes and l second that.:D

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Just had a reply to my email sent to my MP, Caroline Dineage about the BSkyb bid.

Sent it over a week ago..and of course the bid is now withdrawn.

The really interesting thing is what she has to say about an amendment to the Ministerial Code that future meetings between Ministers(and Permanent Secretaries and Special Advisers) and editorial press representatives at all levels in future having to be specifically recorded.

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Yes and thats a good idea Maggy.

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Glad to see your input is deep and significant as always :rolleyes:

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Gary has yet to appear before the Commons Culture Committee where he will be questioned on a variety of issues.;):D;)

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I think it's a fair numnber. Fedorcio's explanation was a reasonable expectation of the need for such people. I would much rather that civillian communications experts liaised with the press and others, to allow police officers do their jobs. I would imagine that if a police officer is taken away from investigating or preventing crime, to deal with reporters and the like, it could mean that they don't get their jobs done.

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What did you think of yesterday's theatre at the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee and here are the latest links this morning especially for that lovely gentleman called Russ.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...-investigation

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...ive-transcript

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...protester.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-2317214.html

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So what do YOU think about it all?

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Well lets start with the Police and the corruption and collusion with News International because when the officers are charged which they will be in due time and found guilty of taking money then obviously the only option is prison because as a policeman in whatever force you are in you are there to uphold the law and serve the public but in this very sorry episode these corrupt policeman have been serving themselves and serving News International and bringing disgrace to their profession and the Met Police.
Secondly we move on to News International and the pantomine we saw yesterday and first of all where was the security to stop this intruder from attacking Rupert Murdoch as even though l despise this man there is no excuse for the type of behavior yesterday that we saw from this man and on to the main people in this company the two Murdoch's and Brooks do we really believe what they tried to tell us yesterday well the answer to that is a unequivocal no and in my mind they all knew what was going on but turned a blind eye to it all in the hope that nothing would be made of it but then we had the shocking Milly Dowler hacking in which their walls came tumbling down and l believe there will have to charges laid at them because as the people in the company the buck stop at the top as much as it does with any other company.
The final person involved in all this who seems to have scarpered off to Africa for several days and also seems to think that he is untouchable is the Prime Minister and his terrible judgement in appointing Andy Coulson as his Director of Communication when he was told by people within his own party and told by others as well that he should not take him on but ultimately in the end the electorate will decide on his fate at the next election but his reputation has been damaged beyond repair in this very sorry episode.

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http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/20...phone-hacking/

Louse Mensch made a pretty big 'gaff' in the committee yesterday. Claiming The Mirror had used phone hacking and drastically misquoting Piers Morgan's book to prove it. Now I don't like Piers Morgan, really, at all, but that's a pretty stupid thing to do on Mensch's part.

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http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/20...phone-hacking/

Louse Mensch made a pretty big 'gaff' in the committee yesterday. Claiming The Mirror had used phone hacking and drastically misquoting Piers Morgan's book to prove it. Now I don't like Piers Morgan, really, at all, but that's a pretty stupid thing to do on Mensch's part.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14214702

Another very lively PM's questions session..

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He keeps refusing to answer with whom at NI he had discussions with about the BSkyB bid, instead mentioning that he had no part in the decision.

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Thank you.

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There was talk of a new Spitting Image Show on ITV a few years ago but ITV Bosses apparently annoyed the Creators of the show by using the Ant and Dec puppets on something the creators refused permission for and the deal fell through.

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He seems to be confused about what a question is, ;)

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Can you teach him how to answer one :LOL:

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Why has it taken over two weeks for him to attend a debate about the issues?

He hasn't displayed any leadership in this crisis at all. Everything that has been put in place has been at the behest of everybody else. He was asked countless times about his meetings with the executives of News International and prevaricated each time. He was asked about what conversations he had with them, relating to the BSkyB bid, but seemed to have the amnesia he accuses everyone else of having. Why didn't he answer them? What has he got to hide?

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l suspect he has got quite a lot to hide.

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Ahem....

From the BBC How could he answer about conversations he never had?

Did Ed M have any conversations about it, when he met with them at the News International Summer Party, or when he spoke at the Times CEO Summit last month? BBC

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That is not what he was asked though, was it. He was asked about conversations he had at anytime with News International's executives, not whether he was part of the decison making process.

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Which is a total no-win and a complete honeypot question. Of course someone at News International at some point would have mentioned it to him, however as soon as he gives an inch and admits that the Labour party will take a mile in their obsession with trying to score points.

Still it means they can continue to avoid having any policies for a while longer so long as they can continue to get mileage out of this.

I'll repeat my previous comments on this issue, there are a number of extremely major issues ongoing in the country and the world, a judicial enquiry has been initiated, there is really nothing more to do with this other than political points scoring and mud slinging. Our law makers have far better things to do than the things Labour are trying to keep at the forefront. Truly a party with absolutely no policies right now, just a line up of attack dogs waiting for a new angle of attack. The country deserves far better from the opposition than the turgid pile of excrement that is the current Labour party. If they weren't so crap it may encourage the pretty lacklustre government to up their game.

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Would not the Conservatives do exactly the same thing if they were in opposition.:rolleyes:

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That was the issue. He initially said that he had spoken with people at BSkyB and when challenged with who he had these conversations he kept saying he wasn't involved with the decision process.

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Perhaps Mr Cameron should take a lie detector.;)

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The Inquires are running but the question over Cameron hiring Coulson remains. Did he know about the phone hacking, did he hear the warnings from what now appears to be many sources, did he hire him on someones recommendation. Etc.

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Very typical of you to ignore people's points yet again.

I don't see you discussing the issue that Gordon Brown was having Murdoch Senior round the back door of number 10 on quite a few occasions, when Labour was in power. Conveniently slipped your attention that hasn't it. :rolleyes:

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Cameron has said he asked coulson if he had any involvement in the phone hacking and was assured by andy coulson he had played no part in it add to that the checks made on coulson clearly came up ok and cameron employed him. Of all the issues in this whole affair i cannot help thinking gettiing bogged down in andy coulson is letting a lot of other people off a very big hook.

Now cameron has come out and said he regrets hiring the guy and in hindsight wouldn't do it again what more do people want from him. I think we need to get back on point here and not keep getting distracted on this one issue that only exists because people want cameron's head on a plate whether it belongs there or not.

We have at least ten years of politicians relations with NI to cast an eye over and that period includes the tories and labour i personally want the investigation to get going fully get to the facts and whoever may have acted badly be shown and punished.

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:clap:

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I always thought the Millipede would turn out to be a one-trick insect, and it seems as if we may just have seen it.

He landed a few good punches on Cameron over the past few days as regards Andy Coulson. The problem now is, he seems mesmerised by his own success and unable to do anything more than keep repeating it over and over again.

Unless any completely new information comes out that compromises Cameron to the point of resignation, Millipede needs to just get on with the job of opposition, reminding himself that the general election is still almost 4 years away and that no matter how much he might like to keep banging on about the News of the Screws, that election will be decided on the economy as it stands in 2015, not a political scandal from 2011.

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Quite simply they don't believe him. The background check coming up with nothing seems odd given the degree to which we now know he was involved, some of this is new evidence, but some were listed in 2009 when this story first broke. Then, before the last election, more concrete warnings were given by some members of the Lib Dems and by some people in Fleet Street. Cameron says they never got to him, instead going to aides who negated to pass it on. That seems odd to people.

That said I think that it's not a big deal. However Labour have sensed a weakness they can exploit and that is politics. There was no great annoyance when the same tactics were employed against Brown.

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Better to be a one trick insect rather then a elephant who has conviently suddenly got memory loss.;)

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That's is because Brown is not a conservative,

I seem to remember one of the admins or mods asking him not to drag party politics in to this thread and he seems to have ignored that as well.

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Obviously it's ok to discuss matters relevant to the topic. For the last week or so politics has entered the thread.

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I agree but considering this happened on both sides watch some seem to think it did not and it all happened in the last year.

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Labour's previous/current relationship with News International and the press is obviously also on topic, as is what they did or didn't do on this matter before.

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Agreed!:tu:

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I suggested it was pointless to drag Party politics into the thread as both parties do not have a clean slate on this issue and that Milleband was on a hiding to nothing if he persists..as Labour won't get into power over this issue precisely because Labour was just as guilty if not MORE guilty as most of this happened on their watch.
Though of course he may regard himself as not being as tainted as the rest of the party.

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So what exactly is the suggestion here then, don't bring party politics into this thread, unless it's evenly distributed between New Labour, the Liberals and the Conservatives?

Seems a little defensive to me, given that Labour are no longer in power, where as the Liberals and Conservatives are..

The fact is, that Cameron's right to be in the highest office in the land, has been brought into question recently, and the only argument anyone defending him can seem to come up with is that they're all at it, so quit picking on him.

For the record.. I'm definitely not a Labour man, nor liberal and I'm certainly not a Conservative.. What I am is a realist, and as such am aware that it's probably always going to be these parties running / ruining our country.

What I want is an honest person in the top job, not someone who probably has to consult legal eagles and word-smiths before he dare answer questions about his well established association with people currently under investigation (I'm not singling anyone out here, Blair Brown and Cameron are all guilty of riding the Murdoch wave) even if the realist in me doubts it'll ever happen.

Flame away..

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In which case he is being deceitful.

In terms of point scoring, what was all that nonsense about Tom Baldwin then? That really was the cheapest points of all. As far as I am aware, neither Mr Baldwin, nor The Times, have been implicated in any of this. If that is the best defence they have then they need to be very worried indeed.

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The problem is though, he keeps changing his story. First he didn't have that conversation, then he did, then it is Coulson might have lied.....what will be next?

The point of the concentration of the relationship Cameron has had with News International, goes beyond just he and Coulson. His constant refusal to answer questions, relating to conversations he might have had with these people, over the BSkyB bid, throws a very dark cloud over his integrity and judgement. Then there are all the warnings he was given, but he ignored them and employed the man anyway. There was sufficient evidence available to cast reasonable suspicion over his involvement, but this was ignored.

Cameron's provarication over what checks were carried out, is another question that remains unanswered. His refusal to provide details of those checks and the constant referral to, "basic checks carried out." Why only "basic checks?" Why not a thorough in-depth investigation of someone who would be within the "inner circle" of Downing Street? Especially after all the warnings that had been given. Basic checks are not afforded to the cleaner at Number Ten, let alone the communications director.

Surely you must see that they are very important points that need addressing. The Prime Minister of this country has been implicated as being complicit in the behaviour of those who have been alleged to have carried out criminal acts and refuses to give straightforward answers to questions about the depth of that involvement or complicity, that is most certainly something to be concerned about.

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Oddly enough, during the General Election campaign, I remember you admonishing others for making silly names out another party leader's name, I wonder what happened to that little bit of advice.

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And yet again, I have to point out at the only ones who are citing party politics, are those who are defending Cameron. From what I can remember, the only reference I have ever made on this thread, regarding the Tory Party, was raising a question about to what extent the elction campaign might have benefited from the hacking. But that would have been a few hundred posts ago. Whereas, there have been a multitude of posts criticising the Labour party.

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"relating to conversations he might have had" Yes thats exactly it we do not know he had any real conversation about the bskyb bid we have plenty of people that want him to have had some so they can carry on screaming for his head right now but absolutely zero proof. Just to make it clear i am not interested in what cameron or any other politician says about their relations with the media i want facts, i want proof of their relstionships.

When those facts or proof come about trust me no matter who it is in whatever political party it might be i will call for their heads but not until then. Loathe as i am to remind some, this isn't just about politics\politicians normal people at the worst times of their lives were hit by this i couldn't really give a toss right now about politics i want the truth out and those responsible dealt with to the full force of the law.

Any political wrongdoing in all this will come out in due course and the necessary justice will come with it.

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Yes l agree with that but remember David Cameron is prime minister which is the highest position in high office and as such the buck stops with him but he seems to be squirming around trying to avoid the truth.

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And it seems the newspapers do not believe him either.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...t-2317653.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...d-2317655.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...udgement-thing

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...earance-checks

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ve-claims.html

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Not really, he's neither confirming nor denying. Labour politicians know very well what the truth is, and how utterly pointless the whole affair is.

This is about the behaviour of all the media now, that's why the investigation covers more than just NI. Sadly you can't just look at the behaviour of one small segment of the cohort to the exclusion of all else. That rather becomes a witch hunt.

Much as I dislike Cameron I'll repeat something that he said repeatedly yesterday - is there any evidence of improper behaviour by the ******* Coulson while he worked at #10?

If there isn't why are people banging on about him. If that's the best line of attack the opposition have we should all be very worried indeed. Hell we already have the one Labour guy pontificating about how he wrote to the PM to, err, recycle an anonymous allegation and then forget that he received a written reply to try and score a few points.

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Ok to Flyboy.I'm traditionally labour inclined.

However in this case..Labour do not have any cleaner hands.If anything they are dirtier because MOST of the abuse by NOTW was done during their running of the government.
Dave has only been in office for a couple of years..So if there is going to be finger wagging from the public it's going to be pointing at Labour.This Labourite is certainly doing so anyway.

Party politics must be put aside on this issue.We need as a country to be united in getting to the bottom where ever it leads us and to set in place measures that do not allow the situation that led to it happening happen again.We need an ombudsmen/quango/committee with teeth and the ability to chuck offenders out of the profession who do not adhere to certain ethical practices.We need for corrupt police to be identified and prosecuted.But above all we need all politicians from ALL parties, involved in dealings with NI,NOTW and the Murdochs to be honest about their activities.

Cameron is just one of MANY who in hindsight behaved stupidly.

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Why is it, that those who are supporting Cameron in this, continue to harp on about Labour? I am being constantly accused of raising partisan issues in this thread, when I have merely asked one very relevant question, hundreds of posts ago, about the election. But here we are again, with yet another poster accusing the Labour governemnt of something that they are not being implicated in, other than not taking action when they supposedly could have. This is nothing to do with party politics, but you and others seem intent on making it so and then have the audacity to blame it on others.

The very reason why people are "banging" on about Coulson, is directly related to his being hired by Cameron, when he should have know full well what his history was. The fact that he was warned by several people (his refusal to neither confirm nor deny that serves only strengthens people's opinion of his complicity) of very real risks of being associated with Coulson, but decided to hire him anyway, raises even more questions: Why did he ignore the warnings? Who recommended the appointment? What was news International's involvement in Copulson's appointment and did Rupert Murdoch personally support it.

Then there is the involvement of Brooks, to consider: How close was her relationship with Cameron in respect of the BSkyB bidding process. What conversations took place relating to the bid and what other conversations occurred between Cameron and the rest of the News Corp executive?

There are many many more unanswered questions here, the very fact that the remain unanswered, is enough to raise suspicion that Cameron is hiding something.

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But it is not me who is raising the issue of party politics. I have one single solitary post on this thread, where I have mentioned the Tory party, asking a very relevant question about the election, over four hundred posts ago. Yet we constantly see Cameron's supporters bringing this back to the Labour Party.

Cameron is at the very centre of this controversy. His involvement is pivotal to this whole saga. He is the one who hired Coulson, someone who he knew to have allegedly been involved in criminal behaviour, possibly on the recommendation, or orders, of Rupert Murdoch. His complicity can not be ignored.

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After 13 years wining and dining with them, New Labour were so concerned about Murdoch's undue influence, phone hacking etc. etc. that they waited until they'd been booted out of office to try to do something about it. Odd that.... :rolleyes:

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Not really.I'm sure the Tories would have done exactly the same.In fact as we aren't totally sure how far back the practice of phone hacking actually goes we can't be sure whom can say they are innocent.

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The :rolleyes: at the end of my post is there to indicate a hint of sarcasm. We all know that they've probably all been at it to an extent but Milliband's 'holier than thou' crusade is cynical in the extreme. He's spent far more time in government dealing with the likes of Murdoch than those he's now pointing the finger at. When's he going to give us all a full and sincere apology for his party's role in all this and over a decade of govt. lies and spin?

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What exactly would that role be? The demands for an apology from Cameron regarded his employment of Coulson, not a relationship with News International which Milliband has already conceded was a problem on their part.

I get what your saying, kind of agree. Both parties are to blame for the state we find ourselves in but presently only the current government can act on it.

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What Cameron's been asked to apologise for is irrelevent to my point. Cameron's made an error the scale of which depends on what, if anything, Coulson is eventually proved to be guilty of.

Milliband's persual of brownie points with respect to Murdoch and the NOTW, however, would have a lot more kudos if it came from someone who wasn't a key figure in the govt. which spent years cultivating their own self serving relationship with those organisations and 'mysteriously' failed to follow up many of the issues which have now started to come to a head. That'd be his/their role in this and I for one would like it fully examined.

If Cameron's main mistake was taking a friend's word at face value that's one thing but IMHO it represents a very minor aspect of a very serious affair which stinks from top to bottom and implicates many other people far more than it does Cameron.

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This is very about party politics. One party is insisting on dragging this to the forefront and scoring party political points. Where are all the quite pertinent questions regarding New Labour's ties to Murdoch and any undue influence back then? Exactly.

Did he do anything untowards while at #10. No? Indeed.

There are no questions here, Cameron has already said he wasn't involved in the BSkyB decisions and had no inappropriate discussions. Of course at some point someone at News International would have mentioned it to him, naive to think not. He's stuck in a difficult position as to acknowledge this would have people, like yourself, trying to score points off of it.

Politicians on all sides of the spectrum are hiding something, I'm perfectly happy to say it, why don't you give it a try? If we're talking about Murdoch's approval it's noted he said the closest he has been to a politician recently was Gordon Brown as chancellor. There are multiple lines of attack on both sides.

There is nothing party political about acknowledging that all side of the spectrum come out of this dirty, concentrating on one side of the spectrum exclusively and ignoring the transgressions of the other veers towards political.

There's a financial crisis in Europe, and many other issues that require parliament time, and one side of the spectrum was busy trying to make hay and add more flames to a scandal that most people were getting rather tired of.

Relevant enquiries are underway, a begrudging apology from Cameron, an admisison he got it wrong, see what the investigations on both sides of the Atlantic discover and in the interim there's plenty enough to keep the politicians busy. 2 of the major parties have running the country to do, the other one can try coming up with alternatives to government policy.

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So Cameron should apologise for hiring somebody who has not been found guilty of anything, only charged? And he has stated that if Coulson is found guilty, he will come back and apologise.

What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?

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l am all for being ''innocent until proven guilty'' but if Andy Coulson is charged which l believe he will be in due time and found guilty then David Cameron will have to do more then apologise he will have to resign as the buck stops at the the top of the chain and not to some poor person further down the chain.

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You want the Prime Minister to resign because someone he hired lied to him and to a Select Committee, and who had not been charged with any crime at the time - talk about passing on the sins of the fathers to the sons.....

I have 127 staff working for me - am I responsible for all the things all of them had been accused of doing in the past (but never charged or put on trial), if it is found out that they lied about them to me?

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Its called a very poor lack of judgement and sorry Hugh as much as you maybe would like to be in high office sadly David Cameron is there and you tell me if it was the leader of another party don't tell me that the Media and public would not be calling for his or hers head.:)

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His resignation would be nice :)

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If poor judgement on such an issue* were a reason for resignation Bliar, Brown, Milliband, Balls and numerous others shouldn't have lasted 5 minutes.

* trivial when compared to say??.... ermm..... lying about WMDs to drag us into a war, selling vast amounts of gold at the bottom of the market, cash for questions, cash for honours etc., etc., etc., etc.

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But the issue is now and not then and involves David Cameron, Andy Coulson and News Corp players and is not trivial in the vast majority of the publics minds as they still believe he is not telling the full truth but is giving some very vague answers when he is questioned.

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Ah, that's not "poor judgement" - that's "acting on the information available at the time"....

Oh.......

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Well l suppose that depends on your political point of view.;)

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But you are doing an Ed Milliband - "the past is not important (cos we were involved), only the present"; but at the same time Cameron was hiring Coulson, the Labour Government was being very cosy with News International - so do alleged inappropriate actions in the recent past only apply to the Conservatives?

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You said it!

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Hiring Coulson not trivial when compared to WMDs, £billions wasted and countless thousands of lives lost. Do me a favour!

On what basis do you conclude and apparently speak for the 'vast majority of the public' when considering what's more or less trivial?

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If inappropriate actions are found to be done by Labour politicians then they should face the same consequences just like David Cameron should.:)

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But the issue is now and those issues have nothing to do with it.:)

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That's a "convenient" position to take - things that happened in the past concerning the Conservatives are relevant (because the Coulson hiring happened in 2007, not now, but is being raised now due to the NI scandal), but things that Labour did in the past aren't relevant.....

As this is all about alleged influence, how come no one is raising this, which was reported in The Independent in 2007 (the same time Coulson was hired)

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Only if they are found to have done some wrongdoing in this whole News Corp scandal and if they have then they should be brought to book as well.:)

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Actually our resident newsfeed has a good point. I mean it's not as though we're still dealing with the legacy of New Labour's 'trivial' errors of judgement is it. Not as though our children, their children and their children's children are going to be paying for all their lies and mistakes is it? I mean that's all done and dusted now, all in the past, nothing to worry about at all...... :rolleyes:

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You are trying to bring other political issues into it Osem when they have nothing to do with the present scandal.:)

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So what wrongdoing has Cameron (and even Coulson) been proved to have engaged in at this point to justify his resignation or is he just guilty because you and the 'vast majority of the public' for whom you clearly speak think so?

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Depends on Flyboys definition of it and who he blames

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Yes well given their appalling record I can see why you'd rather apply your very own statute of limitations to the discussion. ;)

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Firstly l do not speak for the public as they are intelligent enough to form their own opinions and they do not believe David Cameron one jot, secondly it was on Andy Coulson's watch where a lot of the hacking took place and for him to say that he did not know about it is frankly a laugh and it also comes back to that David Cameron did not check this person out thoroughly before appointing him as director of communications shows a terrible lack of judgement and poor common sense and for one to be in this high position of office that is frankly not good enough.

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:rofl: Unless I'm very much mistaken, you've just spoken for the public. Again!

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A moveable feast then? :D

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Congratulations, you are the winner of this month's Oxymoron award.....:D

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Well you see coming from a common background l am not as intellectual as you.;)

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Sorry if this has been posted else were

"In the wake of News International scrapping its longstanding News of the World tabloid after revelations of egregious phone-hacking methods, a rampaging public and political torrent ensued, and Rupert Murdoch put his £7.8 billion BSkyB takeover deal on ice. The broadcaster automatically gets a £38.5 million break fee," :erm: FDE newsletter July 2011

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Lack of knowledge is nothing to be ashamed of - ignorance nothing to be proud of, though....:erm:

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Well thank you Hugh and l am honoured to accept this reward and l say a great thank you to all forum members who voted for me.:)

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It wasn't voted on - you won it all by your own efforts.

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Yes well I have a very privileged 'Tory' background - my father was a manual worker and unable to read/write until well into his adulthood.

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Sticks and stones will break my bones but insults will never hurt me.:);):)

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BSkyB gets the money from News International - NI only own 39% of BSkyB.

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Not an insult - a statement; only you can judge if you can apply it to yourself (or post something attempting to be self-effacing).

My father was a labourer, I was brought up in Govan and lived in tenements, so coming from a "common" background is not a reason to profess ignorance (and seeming to be proud of it).

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correct -still a nice little amount in to there pot:)

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Luxury! We yearned for tenements! We lived in a septic tank at bottom o' lake...... :D

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Monty Python fan eh.;):D

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We seem to have wandered away from the topic again...so.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/21/wo...html?ref=world

Hmm! Another crumb thrown to the police and any inquiry.

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Also http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...-live-coverage

Why doesn't that suprise me in any way

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Yes it does not surprise me either as l still think there is a lot more to come out in this scandal and some of the main players are not telling the full truth.

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That would be quite significant! Not only because it meant he would have lied to the committee but because that e-mail would be the smoking gun in this whole thing as far as James Murdoch is concerned. The e-mail was a list of transcribed voicemail messages sent to the senior reporter at the News of the World, it is the proof that voicemail interception was common place at the paper and not the work of one lone reporter.

Murdock and the executives at News International have maintained they never saw this e-mail until after the New York Times article at which point they handed it over the police.

This is pretty critical because if he had seen the e-mail at the time, then he was aware of criminal activity at the paper and didn't call in the police. Rather they paid Gordon Taylor quite a large amount. An amount which suggests it was hush money.

It's the cover up that gets you.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/21/wo...html?ref=world

So I wonder what is/has been going on in other unspecified newsrooms this last fortnight? :erm:

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...-live-coverage

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Again, this has little to do with his time at Downing Street (I am sure if there was any nefarious activity we will be informed as time goes by), but more to do with the reasons why Cameron ignored the warnings and advice he was given not to hire him. Any responsible CEO of a large corporation would have heeded such misgivings and steered well clear of him, but not Cameron and we as a nation deserves an answer as to why he did it. We are also entitled to know about the conversations he had with the executives at News International. Conversations we now know happened, because Jeremy Hunt has confirmed these conversations took place; despite the Prime Minister continually prevaricating about them.

Why allow your stooge to "let slip" about them, instead of coming clean yourself.

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Well the old ones are always the best aren't they? That's what I tell my wife anyway... :D

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So - don't hire someone because he has not been charged or found guilty of anything, just base your hiring decisions on hearsay and rumour.......

Instead of spreading rumour and innuendo ("I am sure if there was any nefarious activity we will be informed as time goes by"), why not wait to see what the police enquiry and the inquiry panel find - or is it easier to ignore "innocent until proven guilty" if the person involved is a Conservative?

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If you had employed them, knowing that they probably did those things and it is likely to put the health of your business at risk, then I would hope the shareholders of your company would have the foresight to demand your resignation, because they would have every right to do so.

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I think we have all agreed it was a stupid mistake..but so was Labour at fault for not making sure there was a full inquiry back in 2007..Why aren't they apologising?

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And yet again, another one, although is happy to accuse others of bringing party politics into this, who harps on about total irrelevances. What have any those issues got to do with the subject of this thread?

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Strange, I thought this thread was about the trustworthiness of politicians, and how they were influenced by outside interests - a few of Osem's points are very relevant in that case....