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You know him so well :)

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Sounds like something Scrooge would say. ;)

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Really? What did he do wrong exactly?

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Sorry ... did you have a point to make or do you normally prefer to call people names in lieu of a convincing argument?

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your assuming one has to do something wrong to be one the receiving end of police hospitality .

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Well Chris, I wasn't going to reply to your earlier rant as I didn't see much point as I assumed you were just letting off steam. But since you ask, here goes..

Who said right or wrong should be judged based on sincerity? It wasn't long ago you were implying I was deluded for thinking Jody was at the demo against his will, when I never said any such thing. I'm noticing a trend here, and we can hardly have a fair discussion when only one side is sticking to the facts.

Maybe he does, but repeatedly referring to his writings as "drivel" is a little OTT - don't you think? Whether his work is "drivel" or not, that isn't for YOU to decide. I think it best that you should make your case, and let others decide for themselves.

So you are saying the BBC isn't state television? You could be right, but I'm leaning towards believing the BBC is more loyal to the government than to the public.

You clearly have decided that noone is interested in what he has to say, but actually people ARE interested in what he has to say, whether you like it or not. You may disagree on whether or not his views are revolutionary in nature, but why not give the guy his 15 minutes of fame and let him move on. At least he's worked for it, unlike these pop idol nobodies who've decided they have the right to fame but nothing to offer in return for it.

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Some examples of police "hospitality" at the recent student demos:

McIntyre "special treatment"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQV9P61FUwg

"Police" at work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS0eQA1XAIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVgmxCcxZcg&NR=1 (another view)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-etV57xZ4_I&NR=1 (yet another view)

More of the same
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pNYYno66sE

Alfie Meadows incident
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsnt2A_m2TU

I'd hate to imagine what the riot police would be doing if the cameras weren't there...

On a more humourous note:
Riot policeman trampled by own horse (even the animals are rebelling ! )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhqgm...eature=related

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Ok i am out of here because this thread has said all the interesting stuff it's going too and is now in the process of defending and promoting a complete idiot time for my attention to go elsewhere.

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Surprised it took you this long. :D ;)

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Oh I dunno, maybe dodging the lumps of concrete and snooker balls chucked at them.

http://inspectorgadget.files.wordpre...scious_415.jpg

This was taken BEFORE any of the containment was put on so any of the excuses that the police caused it are void.

Oh BTW given the hundreds of cameras about how come none captured Alfie Meadows being injured? Maybe the rumours of it being a protestor 'own goal' are true after all.

Oh someone gets injured, how hilarious :dozey:

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Sorry, but I fail to see how an Animal panicking and trampling it's own rider is in any way humourous.

You sir, are a sick man. Based upon the tone of your posts, you also seem to have decided that the Police are automatically in the wrong, if not downright evil yet oddly, seem happy to defend the actions of those who caused the trouble. This, in itself, makes me wonder about your agenda and whether you truly care about the student's plight or are happy to use any excuse to give the authorities a good kicking.

Let me ask you this. Bearing in mind that the Press (in particular) are quite happy to attack the police when they feel the police deserve it (see the G20 coverage, the coverage of that Brazillian guy being shot and even the coverage of the attack on Price Charles), why has there not been much coverage of how the police brutally attacked the students?

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What an awful thing to say. Now you have lost any high ground you had in this thread :td:

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How come none of you are criticising what the police had to say about the protestors in the inspectorgadget blog? They talked/joked about blowing peoples heads off...
Suspiciously silent on that I've noticed.

And here, I mention "on a more humourous note" in reference to animals rebelling too (its a joke, get over it) and suddenly I'm an evil person. That says far more about some of you than it does me.

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Thats your opinion,and if its so easily swayed then perhaps it was never worth anything in the first place.

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What a charmer.....

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Sorry, but I didn't find anything remotely funny in that last one.

But it seems as though some officers have not learned anything from the G20 riots. Or seeing as the officers who hid their IDs from that little outing got away with it, they feel untouchable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWICu...eature=related

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:LOL:

Obviously your true colours showing through.

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Nail and head :)

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Of course they are in the wrong ! Hitting children and women is never justified unless they attack first.

No, the authorities haven't had a good kicking. Did you notice the street gangs that turned up to the demos? You think they don't have access to firearms? They all do, and if the police continue with their current strategy then someone's going to get killed. They need to stop instigating the violence before the situation escalates.
Also, there's no need to wonder about my agenda - I'm entirely open with my views on this subject. I may joke about the police horse rebelling against the establishment, but I'd never take any delight in seeing a fellow human being getting hurt, whether they be police or other.

Interesting point, I have noticed this too. The press are in the business of selling the news rather than reporting it, and the story right now is how the students have unleashed their rage against the establishment.

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My true colours as you put it, were quite clear in my first post in this thread :



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Good find. There have been anecdotal reports of officers wearing false numbers so as not to arouse too much suspicion. It worries me that they would wish to hide their ID at all.

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More violence at the 9/12 protest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u6wP...layer_embedded

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Here's an interesting read:
http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.a...ntid=155592399

1 in 5 back violent protests, but 2 in 3 support use of water cannon.

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:rolleyes:

Yep the cop lying injured in the road was instigating loads of violence.

The Police have gone out their way to avoid confrontation in previous incidents, resisting putting on full public order gear until the hail of misiles gets ridiculous.

Yes street gangs have access to firearms. If you think they would use the demo as an excuse to shoot at cops then you really are as stupid as you are coming across in this thread.

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One officer out of several thousand and it's already been explained away. Her epaulettes were on her hi-viz which officers had to change out of due to the petrol bombs being thrown their way.

Flammable Hi-Viz jackets + petrol bombs = a very bad mixture. Thats why they reverted to the flame retardant overalls later in the day.

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Why do you have to be so ignorant? I've no intention of stooping to your level so please for once say something sensible or I'll ignore you.

Everything you've said is biased in favour of the police, everyone can see it but you. The police can hide their name tags, drag someone from a wheelchair, attack without provocation, joke about shooting people, and you will just gloss over those details like nothing happened - and still defend the riot thugs in uniform.
I say anyone who is so biased on an issue that they have made up their minds whilst blatantly ignoring the hard facts is a fool, and there's no fool like an old fool. ;)

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Noone believes that rubbish, she was hiding her ID as were quite a few others - it was not an isolated case.

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99% of the cops I've seen on video have their shoulder numbers clearly visible.

I've already covered the 'treatment' of the professional protestor who seems to play on his disability when it suits him. I don't see any problem with the way he was dealt with under the circumstances. Being in a wheelchair doesn't automatically exempt you from being removed from an area.

Joke about shooting people? Oh I'm sorry that JOKES made by off-duty officers clearly in jest need to be justified.

Attack without provocation? Where?

Funnily enough I do. The Met commissioner does as well. If there were so many cops doing it how come they all managed to avoid being caught on video?

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That the same Rambo that killed over 200 police and national guardsman, destroyed a town and got himself killed? Bit ott no matter what the victimisation imo... :D

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Bit like Sparkles joke earlier then, except that needed to be justified :shrug:

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so sparkles found the clip amusing -but no one has mentioned that the police on horse back deliberately charged at students which could have resulted in death or terrible injury .

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I'm sure the horses are taught and trained not to panic and step on anyone ;)

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1) Who on earth would take children to a protest? Even assuming the protest was meant to be peaceful, there is always the chance it will turn violent.

2) Why assume the Police hit first.
I know they do have access to firearms. I know they would also be perfectly willing to use these firearms in a protest without giving a rats about the actual purpose of the protest. This is why I condemn them. I don't actually condemn the students as a whole, nor do I condemn the Police.
The thing is, you did post a video of a Police officer (presumably) being injured, under a heading that described it as humorous, with no indication that you were being anything other than serious.
You appear to be saying that the Police are the the root cause of the trouble. I have cited examples where actions taken by the Police were found to have caused injury or death to others (well, the attack on the Prince's car didn't cause injury or death, but it is serious). In all those instances, we've had several days with most of the press (and other media ) reporting the story. So far, we've had that in none of the student protests. Why? The Sun and The Mail in particular are not known to be fans of the Police.

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You can train any animal as well as possible, but there will come a point where it believes it's life to be in danger and it will panic. Regardless of the training it receives.

I don't know the training they give their horses, but the Met so use them regularly in riots, so I am fairly certain they are trained to deal with riot situations as well.

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well that one's clearly not up to the job -its probably on the supermarket shelf now as[dog food] as its no good in a crowd situation , or do they get to retire in a field full of fluffy bunnies .

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Sorry, but I hold that with as much credibility as there being a Father Christmas. She could have easily changed her epaulettes when she changed her jacket. Are you really expecting us to believe she was the only one?

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Well, I heard there was least five thousand police officers there, that would mean at least fifty of them hid their identification. I can't see why that doesn't worry anyone.

So, he is considered to be a bit of an irritant and that makes it okay to treat him like that. It may not make him exempt, but it does mean he should be treated in a way according to training. Is that how the police are trained to move someone along, who is in a wheelchair? What is the correct and authorised way to move someone in wheelchair?

What makes it okay because they were "off-duty?"


But you have already conceded that at least fifty of them did hide their identification.

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How can he concede a number you made up...... (he said 99% of the cops he saw, not 99% of the cops there).

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Didn't you know; apparently it was all meant as a joke and hey, that it makes it okay. ;)

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:rofl:

Yes I was wondering that... Flyboy's 'hearing' is obviously better than Derek's vison... :D

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I would say, much the same way that he assumes that more of them didn't do it.

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You appear to be confusing his assumptions with your assumptions about an imaginary concession you assume he made.......;)

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I found this particular "Kettling" image quite disturbing :(

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I'll bow to your greater knowledge of how people react in public order situations. :rolleyes:
If the commons select committee accepted that reason then I'll accept it as well. During that evidence it stated she was the only example, surely with the professional protestors itching to show that all cops are thugs then there would be more than one example.

It all depends on the circumstances. As I mentioned previously if it was me having to move a hostile, apparently disabled person, who wasn't being compliant then I'd separate them from their chair as well.

Is it official Police guidelines? Nope, it's some people with a very stressful job letting off steam. They deal with stuff professionally on-duty but off duty as long as it's not illegal have a life as well.
I've been to some outrageous comedy gigs with jokes that make you wince in horror, making fun of some things you really should not laugh at. It doesn't mean I take that flippantness into work with me.

Nope. I gave a hypothetical percentage and you leaped on it. As I've said only one video or photo has come to light, surely if there were more it would be out in public with the five second video clips that are enough for some people to make their minds up.

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looks like the situation is about to boil over ;)

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I'm speechless .

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Now you're for it.... :dozey:

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Very funny, though I find this "Kettling" image to be a little more humourous.

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What select committee, I wasn't aware of any evidence given to a select committee yet, regarding this, or any other police officer, hiding their identity. Did I miss something?

What are the guidelines?

So, when it comes to someone writing a blog about his political activities, it is incitement to violent resistance. But when "off-duty" police officers (you have no idea if they were off-duty or not, when they were writing their posts) suggesting they should be allowed to blow the brains out of protesters, that's is just "blowing off steam." Can't you see the absurdity in that? Would it ever be seen as bringing the name of the force into disrepute?

So, you didn't see any officers hiding their identity?

I don't think it matters how long the video clips are for, this officer still hid their shoulder number. Using the, "I left it on my other jacket" excuse, is not an acceptable reason, especially in light of what happened at the G20 protests.

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I think you've missed a great deal. There was evidence given to a Parliament committee a few days after the riot where the ONE officer missing shoulder numbers was explained and accepted.

I think there is a huge difference between an obvious joke and urging violent resistance. Still you have previous for being able to understand jokes so I'll let it slip for now.

I saw a video clip of ONE officer out of several thousand not wearing shoulder epaulettes. I'll let you into a secret, not every item of clothing issued to police officers has numbers attached to it. Officers typically have two or three sets to be moved between jackets.

If the order was given to change quickly from hi-viz to flame retardant than I think it's entirely possible an officer might not switch their numbers over if they are distracted by petrol bombs being chucked in their general direction by some jolly students.

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That is exactly what I was thinking.

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Come on now, that's really stretching the limits of probability! It's all in a days work for the police and why on earth would they need flame retardent gear when protesters were so considerately spraying around all that urine around?? :rolleyes:

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Not that I disbelieve you, but could you tell me when and which select committee it was (or, if possible, could you post a link, it might save some time), so that I can have a look at the conclusions, it might give further insight.

Don't you think it is unprofessional to behave in this way?

Then the officer had plenty of opportunity to dress properly.

Is that what happened? I suppose a look at the select committee's report will confirm this. But then, apparently every other single officer who was there, was able to comply with their obligations, all except this one single lone, perhaps, dare I say, "rogue" officer.

A quick question for you; does a police officer have an obligation to identify themselves, if asked by a member of the public?

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Helluva paradigm shift there, FB - from not wearing epaulettes to being a "rogue officer".

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I am just trying figure out why apparently this one solitary officer was the only one to have not worn their shoulder number, when seemingly all the others were able to do it. If it is so easy to forget to change the epaulettes when changing clothes, I am struggling to undertsand why more didn't manage it.

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It was on the Flyboy and Sparkle show so it must be right ;).

Just adding a bit of humour as some seem to have a problem distinguishing what humour is .

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Do you know, I am staggered. I have not seen one of the members who have criticised the police actually criticise those rioters who committed violence. This makes me think that they aren't (despite Sparkle's protestations to the contrary earlier) really that interested in the plight of any current or future students, more in using it the students plight as an excuse to criticise the Police.

I am no massive fan of the Police (I believe that when the Police do wrong they should be punished), but I am sickened by this hijaking of a legitimate reason for protest by various people to further their own ends.

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To quote one of the student leaders.

It was a good natured sometimes radical protest but good natured. Yea right and I'm the queen of Sheba

In fact let them give us the qoute again shall we

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InjVp...layer_embedded

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No idea, it was being covered on Sky News a day or so after the riots and heard from Sir Paul Stephenson and some others including IIRC the NUS president.

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I am pretty sure that is not the case. However, why should it be that any criticism of the police has to be accompanied by criticism of the protesters? I have not supported any violence. All I have done is question the behavior of some, not all, officers. But going by the post of some you'd think that anyone who highlights their failings must be in support of violent protest. For me, I prefer non-violent resistance, it has more of an impact. But it is often turned into rioting, by those who are being resisted and those who accept all rubbish they get told to believe.

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I have had a good search of google and can find nothing, you would have that something like this would have been reported.

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Looks like the unions are coming on board :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...upport-protest

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I have even read the Sky News report on that meeting and they haven't even mention it. I do know that Keith Vaz, the committee chairperson, said he intended to ask the Home Secretary to explain what had happened, but I can't seem to find any detailed reports on the meeting.

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Who's "they"?
Are you genuinely implying that my only involvment with this movement (despite the many years I've already been involved in peaceful protest on this issue, and only this issue) is to attack the police ?
Is that honestly the conclusion you've come to, despite everything that's been said? :erm:
Please tell me I've misunderstood.

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Actually, on second thought - it doesn't really matter. Its clear where I stand on this issue, and my interests do not lie with the police. They are a non-entity as far as I'm conderned. The politicians make the rules, the police just enforce them. No philosophy and no thinking required from them. They're just uniformed henchmen of the aristocracy, paid to follow orders.
So naturally, I'm more interested in seeing some common sense in parliament (for once) - which would do this country wonders.

Regardless of which side of the fence any of you find yourselves, the fact remains that there WILL be more protests.
There WILL be more violence, and it looks like this is indeed turning into a winter of discontent. If the trade unions get involved (as it looks they might) this is really going to kick off to a magnitude not seen in this country for at least a generation.

So assuming the above, what next? If this is the reality, how do we best adjust to it? Moan about it?
I suggest lets make some good of it. Teach these lying politicians a lesson they won't forget for a long time. For instance, we could implement a revolutionary change to the government system that will ensure ministers are accountable (to the public) for their actions even AFTER election time.
Its clear our system of government is dated, and need of change.
Change that will not come from within the government itself, they cannot be trusted to "self regulate". Perhaps the power is almost in reach to finally turn this country into the democracy is was always destined to become.

I don't wish to see anyone get hurt, but I think it's pertinent to remember that people's lives are being ruined under the current system, and that's what must stop. So, to achieve that goal - what is the price worth paying?

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Ah, the old "the ends justifies the means" proposition.....

btw Excuse me whilst I pmsl - nice to see Class Warfare alive and kicking; I thought the dinosaurs were extinct? :D

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You're darned right. But we're not talking about killing 7 million Jews to create a master race, so lets keep some perpective ;)
I'm talking about giving the government a scare, let them know enough is enough.

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Loved the pre-emptive extreme example.......

I was thinking more of widespread rioting, damage, and people injured - mind you, for a class warrior, I suppose anarchy is the end-game in itself...

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I'm hoping the unions come on board, then its possible that there won't necessarily be any rioting. Just protests in every major city - which should get the message across nicely.
Then the big question will be whether or not the politicians take any notice. If not, then yes I agree anarchy (ine one form or another) will be in the pipeline unfortunately.

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My mistake, it was an assistant commissioner. It was the Joint Committee on Human Rights.

http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Pl...meetingId=7310

At 14:04 minutes the numbers issue is covered.

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1 out of 8000 not wearing numbers. I can accept those numbers.

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Also, the HMIC report states (Chapter 6)

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as evidence goes that was pretty lacklustre .

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As opposed to the circumstantial and anecdotal evidence supporting the proposition....

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what if i assure you that there where more unidentified officers -will that suffice,because that's all that happened on that vid

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Almost as lacklustre as "he got a head injury, there were lumps of concrete being thrown about, snooker balls and metal poles flying about but I reckon it must have been a police baton that caused it"

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i had no idea that the students were attacking each other -this definitely should be admitted as evidence :rolleyes:

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Well I know Citizen Smith has been repeated recently...... :D

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None of us know exactly what happened yet but I'd have thought stuff being chucked about in a melee such as we saw could easily hit unintended targets.

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As posted above in #856, from Her Majesty's Inspector of Constabulary report Seems more seems more substantial than lacklustre

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Wow - you mean that the snooker balls and concrete lumps had student-avoiding radar capacity?

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Well students are no longer rioting in London..Can we leave the issue now?

Especially as this thread now about scoring points rather than having either a debate or a discussion about the issues.:rolleyes:

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How about a new thread called

"There is going to be more riots in London by Students and there new mates from the Unions"


That way we can debate the up and coming riots in January by both possible attendees :)

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nope they had deodorant/ soap/shampoo seeking technology therefore avoiding students .;)

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Sounds like a plan, after all it does seem inevitable...

:)

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Thanks for providing that, but it does go one for about an hour and a half, you don't know roughly where they specifically discuss the officer with a number do you?

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At 14:04 minutes the numbers issue is covered.

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am i watching the right video ? 14.04 is talking about kettling with the student union leader ,nothing at all mentioned about officers not wearing numbers

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its at the very end of the vid -as the session closes

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I don't think this is the end, it looks more like the beginning :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...-movement.html

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aaah gotcha ,cheers papa :) that would be 01:08:15 then if watched in wmp

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Not at all .What makes the unions think that there working membership have the willing to go on strike losing hundreds if not thousands of pounds in wages ,losing their houses or getting in areas with the mortgage ,not having the annual getaway all for students who arguably don't have a case anyway

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Ah yes 14:04 going by the time code on the video, not 14 minutes in. It's right at the very end of the session.

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History will tell. ;)


More "appalling" police behavior being reported in the news :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/de...olice-watchdog

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The winners write the history books......;)

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its all fiction then ;)

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We won't be needing biased history books to explain what happened because we'll be living it during our lifetime, kapish?

By your smug tone, you sound like you're hoping the politicians win this one, is that right?

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At 14:04 they are discussing kettling, not shoulder numbers.

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Hardly concrete evidence really. He doesn't seem to know for sure, then changes his mind.

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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...n-page-58.html

that was my conclusion

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Whats appalling about that ? all i see is a heavily edited poor quality video of rioters in a kettle .What the students need to realise i sthat measures such as these would not be needed if they could be trusted to act like mature adults and not smash the place up

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Assumption is the mother of all frakk-ups.....;)

"Biased history books" - those that don't agree with your viewpoint (and it's actually "capisce").:D

I actually work in the Higher Education sector, have two offspring undertaking HE (one 1st year and one post-grad) and I think what the Government is doing is detrimental, but I also think that the ongoing expansion is unaffordable, so it is a bit of a quandary:confused:

But what I do hope is that the rioters don't win this one - there we do differ.

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I am not sure if there is a "win" - just less losing.....

Sometimes, in life, we don't all get what we want (or feel we deserve) - we get what we can afford.

As I said, I am in a quandary, as I don't think it is simple as either "side" make out - the present expansion is unaffordable (imho), but I think the raising of fees will discourage some students who before would have taken part in the widening participation of HE.

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i feel sad for the younger generation and frustrated that i am powerless to help them ,this situation that we find ourselves in is not of their doing but they will have to suffer for the mistakes of their elders ,the very people who are supposed to protect and care for them - your right when you say
" in life, we don't all get what we want (or feel we deserve)"
we live in interesting times .

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When was the riot? I didn't see a riot. I think you are believing far too much of what you are being told. If that was the riot, things weren't as bad as has been made out.

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Irony, thy name is FB.......:D

I see - you can interpret something from a shaky fuzzy cameraphone recording, but that option is not available to others.....

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There was no riot, I don't think that the video needed to be any clearer.

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Well. What an emotive 'collection of clips' of video.

Heavily edited and biassed. The only people i heard being aggressive and swearing in that were the students, sorry rioters.

I mean, come on! These people should be used to 'kettling' have the not been to Glasto ffs?

Why is it that some people cannot just accept the fact that some, probably most people went down there expecting trouble, it kicked off and they got what they deserved?

They will live, life goes on and they learn that politicians change thier minds. That's life.

Move on.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

There was no riot....right. So all that violence came from ballet dancing?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Again I ask, where was the riot in that video? If that is an example of the riots that went on in London, I can't see what all the fuss is all about.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Do you think that video is indicative of what happened that day? Hang on why am i asking that? Of course you do.

But reality check - no it isn't.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Who were the people swearing?

The Police asking them to move back or the rioters replying with F words etc

:rolleyes:

Get a grip and step in to the real world my friend.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

So you haven't seen any of the other videos? The ones where fencing is pulled down, windows are smashed, fireworks, flares and petrol bombs thrown at police lines, fires set on parliament square.

You've seen none of them and decide to base your opinion of what happened on one heavily edited shaky-cam video from later on in the night.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/12/30.jpg

I have to go to bed soon....

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

where the hell have you been the last few weeks ,when fire extinguishers were getting thrown,fences thrown,snooker balls,fireworks,flares were being thrown ,police hit with iron bars ,graffiti daubed all over the place ,national monuments defaced, windows smashed police vans turned over ,members of the royal family attacked ..have i missed anything ? bloody hell FB you realy know how to be selective in what you see .These are facts ,they cannot be denied ,they are on video for all of time ,go on utube and type "student riots" and see how many hits you get ,alternatively you could go and join the holocaust denial society:rolleyes:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

So students lifting steel fence panels to use as weapons along with anything else they can lay their hands and destroying public property or daubing paint on everything in sight does not constitute a riot, then please explain what the students were doing as that does not come under their right to protest under any law in any country on this planet.

Maybe you are using these.

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To see these.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/12/26.jpg

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

That doesn't make any sense, you said before that the history books are written by the "winners". That implies the history books are written based on merit of victory, rather than right or wrong. That has nothing to do with my viewpoint, per se.

Yea I know da spellin Dr Pedantic, but I did check for an English equivalent and came across this:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Kapish
(they may have it wrong however)

The rioters are a minority. You'd rather the politicians win so the minority of rioters "don't win" as you put it ?
Geez Hugh, talk about cutting your nose to spite your face.

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Very true. The naysayers should look to the Greeks to see what a real riot looks like.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Are you for real.:erm::confused: