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The GB can claim expenses for a second home close to Westminster

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/liveevent/

Gordon Brown says he will step down as Labour leader.

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:woot:

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Smart move Gordo, all of a sudden the Lib Dems have another option now...

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Exactly what I thought.

I see Lib Dems now doing a deal with the party that the majority of the country didn't want any longer.

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the problem i have is -Browns lips are moving and that usually means he's lying :td:

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I commend Gordon Brown on doing the right thing for his party and I would have repped him but he's not a member here so.....

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its great that he's taking orders from nick clegg -pity he couldn't listen to the voters .

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any one watching sky news at the moment ...boulton and darling having a right old ding dong

fantastic telly i thought boulton was going to belt him :D


correction it wasn't alistair darling that he was arguing with they were just talking about him (i was cooking my tea so only heard it )so if someone could enlighten me as to who Adam boulton was going to deck i would be greatfull ;)

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Hate sky news but are they still having a ding dong because I could force myself to watch that :D

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gordon brown the uk's answer to robert mugabe.maybe he should change his name to worf after all he is a klingon.

oh well it looks like its going to be another 5 years with another UNELECTED labour prime minister god help us.

The labour party should hang its head in shame,it as no dignity at all.

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Your lack of understanding of the constitutional processes in the UK is astounding.

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It was adam boulton and labour's alastair campbell,not darling.

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The Prime Minister's speech was dignified and heartfelt. I sincerely believe he had nothing more than the best interests of the country in everything he did.

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I know about the constitutional processes in the UK and all i can say is that they stink.

Most people know that gb is a control freak who can't abide the thought of giving up the power he has as prime minister.

I wouldn't trust the slimy so and so as far as i could kick him.
after all here is a prat who said that a little old lady is a bigot just because she dared to raise the subject of immigration with him.

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Care in the community anybody.
the men in white coats will be along for you in a minute.

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Can you not respond without personal attacks and insults?

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your not wrong

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Does this not leave Cameron with the option of going it alone as a minority government since GB has stepped down, or did I miss understand something that was posted many pages ago?

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Since any lib/lab pact will only work with the help of crazed nationalists from wales and scotland, the majority of the UK will be run by the minor countries.

Civil war anyone?

Where's that Hadrian guy when you need him?
I can repel a few Welsh from where I am....

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Brown leaving. Sorry but i cannot believe him. He has lied before and is and will lie again.

So the lib Dem's will now allow a failed party like labour to continue to destroy this country. How can they do that and still hold there heads up. Its makes me so happy i did not vote for the libs.

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thanks for that i heard Alistair mentioned and jumped to a conclusion re darling.. good though wasn't it :D

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Nick clegg is two faced as well,He says he wants to do whats best for the country.what he forgot to say was that he wants to do whats best for himself,the lib dems and then the country.

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It sure was i thought adam boulton was going to explode he was that annoyed.
did you hear him say to campbell that he cared about his country and not gordon brown.

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I could if i wanted to.

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well i think they all falling over each other to gain power of any sort

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So do all politicans. I said this before, it was up the the Tories to make a deal because they had not won the election. I personally wished for a Tory/Lib-Dem deal but I am not sure what was on the table and it seems from the leaks made that little was conceded on electoral reform. The Tories should reveal the deal and let us see what was offered, if it was good then the pressure will be on the Liberal Democrats to decide.

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the partys that came 2nd 3rd right down to last -forming a government :td:

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Most Lib dem supporters were against a Conlib deal anyway.

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The role of Prime Minister is not dependent on who leads a party. Gordon Brown is still the Prime Minister, he has offered his resigned, but that is not immediate. As I understand it, he will step down when the issue of a coalition has been settled.

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Ah, OK. Thanks for clearing that up.

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No. If they made a deal with the Lib Dems, SNP and Plaid Cymru then Brown will go to the Palace and inform the queen that he can form a Government. Brown then becomes PM again until September when someone takes over. I imagine next May we will have another election (if this indeed goes down to a deal between the minority parties).

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Then why don't you engage in the debate, instead of behaving so poorly.

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I don't agree with it but you were already happy with not voting for the Lib dems when Clegg did his so-called 'Nazi-Insult' and then again with the trident issue. You don't like them, fair enough, you don't need to take every new revelation as a sudden indication your support for them is gone, we know it wasn't there in the first place. ;)

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I am still hoping that this is a bargaining ploy to get the Tories to give something with regards to PR and tomorrow a government will be formed. I don't want this is carry on all week.

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Labour ruined the country before than, and before that the Tories and then Hitler did his best as well ;)

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*sigh*

Yep Labour inherited a country in a complete mess, with a huge deficit, economy in the toilet, mired in unpopular wars etc. etc.

:rolleyes:

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as i heard it he said he will step down at the next labour party conference in sept or october.

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Thanks again, however, just a thought...

Should it not be up to the people to decide a clear winner rather than the politicians, should they not just say, stuff it if we can't make our minds up then lets put it to the people until they can?

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By the way it seems the disagreement with the Tories was held amongst Liberal Democrat MPs rather than the leadership.

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I heard the following phrase mentioned several times on the way home today:

Really? I never voted for electoral reform. I didn't realise it was a refurendum last Thursday, I thought it was an election. I voted to kick that stupid arse out of number 10 and put Cameron in it. I never voted for electoral reform and I doubt 99% of the people voting last week voted for it. They voted for their party and tbh the mucking around that has been going on with Clegg desperately trying to get into the government and holding others to ransom is the biggest advert to never go PR that anyone could have.

The pound is going south and the rest of the economy will follow it while he tries desperately to get the best deal for HIM, not the country, HIMSELF. I don't look forward to this every couple of years with a stupid PR system, so that the LibDems can always finish 3rd, yet hold the winners to ransom. The only reason the LibDems are pushing it is because it's the only way they will ever have any power and they'll use it to always water down the actual winners.

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England's gonna be stitched up by the scots the irish and the welsh.they vote in the english parliament then go home and live by there laws.
Only the english are daft enough to let this happen,gordon brown must be laughing his nadgers off.

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Then we might have rerun after rerun. At the moment there is no clear winner and, while I think the majority party should have the choice to form a government first, they will have to respect the result and form a collation. Morally the collection of 'losers' as they will be dubbed will still represent in some way over 50% of those who voted.

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Just a minute..
To be fair to the bloke, your semi-inflammatory post to him (#817) was hardly what you'd call behaving nicely to another user was it? You certainly couldn't expect him to back down from that I mean.
For someone such as myself who doesn't post much but reads an awful lot, I'd be taking a leaf out of my own book there, Flyboy.

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LibDem supporters are 43% left of centre, which leaves 57% to be centre and right of centre, hardly a resounding no to Conservative policies.

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Well said :clap:

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There is the problem, you voted for Cameron but a bunch of people did not. There was no clear winner and the only reason people think there was is because they are confusing democracy with a game where the first person to cross the line wins. The Tories have no right to form a government on there own, they need to compromise, and we're not sure what they offered yet. Besides they are asking for a referendum on reform, polls seem to agree it's popular, not to change it right away.

The reason they are doing it is because the system is geared towards a two-party system whereas we are not a two party country. So a lot of the electorate gets shafted.

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I agree with what you are saying and i profess to know little about the matter* :dunce: but it just 'seems' wrong that one party get a shed load of votes but still lose.


* - Just like football really, I only ever pay any real attention when England are playing for example.

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It won't happen that quick. As far as I am aware, Nick Clegg has to put to conference, before any agreement can be made.

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If the leadership recommend that the deal offered by The Tories should be accepted, they still have to get agreement from the rest of the party. Their constitution requires that they hold an extra-ordinary conference in order to vote on it.

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I really hope the Tories give ground on PR, I don't think the Conservatives should be out of government completely but I don't see any other way a deal between the two can be done when Labour are offering AV+.

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Do you honestly think he has to wait for them to organise a conference and get that going, then vote. I doubt it. Maybe he has to put it to the party executive, but I doubt everyone in the party has to have a vote. They've voted him as their leader. He makes the decisions, otherwise, why bother with a leader, we'll all vote on every tiny thing.

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Personally, I hope for a LabLib pact that royally screws up and dies a huge death after a few months, thereby ensuring a good Conservative victory at the General Election shortly afterwards and the final death of the LibDem party. ;)

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In The Guardian they analysed the results under different 'voting reforms'. Whilst Lib Dems gained seats it didn't affect the actual result.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...neral-election

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I wouldn't trust a word that left wing rag has to say. The guardian is a job centre for pointless council jobs.

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Chris posted this link earlier.

http://www.channel4.com/news/article...policy/3640887



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I'm not sure if AV is going to be good enough.

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Nearly a punch up live on Sky News :)
Campbell and Boulton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XHuZqyuIS8

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Clegg should accept the offer.

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It did make wrong assumptions, the biggest one being that presuming people would vote the same way if they knew their vote was more likely to be taken into account if they vote for someone other than the top 2. That said AV is not PR but I think it will have to do for now.

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But AV would hardly change the results.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...neral-election

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Are the Tories offering AV or AV+

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Yeah but we may not get STV. Also I think more people would vote for the smaller parties under AV, the problem on election day is people still see it as a choice between the main two.

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I think it's AV rather than AV+. Also, it's an offer of a referendum. They may retain the option to campaign against it.

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I bet Labour will be telling him they will also campaign against it if he doesn't team with them, might make it harder since they asked for it in their manifesto.

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Would someone like to tell me what "AV" is ?

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And they screwed than up and put a cherry on the top. The Lib Dems have seen through the Tory lies of Rape and Pillage like the 80's and early 90's.

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yawn!!!

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Gordon Brown To Resign As Labour Leader

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol...Talks_Continue

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...10/8672859.stm

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Is it true that Gordon can call another 'AV' election?

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Don't forget the last Liberal Government 1906-14 - barstewards......

And as for those bloddy Whigs - I'll never forgive them!

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No - a bill would have to be passed by Parliament to change the voting system (imho).

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I know one thing if the person me and my family voted for at the election (David Cameron) doesn't become prime minister.
when it comes around to election time again be it a local or general election we will definately be voting BNP.
Because i have come to the opinion that if the scots can look after there own ie gordon brown,then its about time the english started to do the same.

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audio video.

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Shouldn't that be the ENP you vote for then?;)

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Trouble with the Tories is they hate it when yo go back to old British Industry which they cocked up.

It was nice to see Willaim Hague (the worse leader the Tories ever had) having some squeaky bum time on SKY when the Lib Dems pulled out of talks.

I have to confess, I love seeing the Tories squirm because I hate everyone of them with a passion.

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Nobody put the numbered ranks on the ballot paper but the X [cross] so in real world terms that is pointless.

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Strangely, you haven't mentioned the economic problems in the very recent past....

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Yeah its all the fault of the Scots in electing some labour MP's. :rolleyes:

Even if you add the 41 Scottish Labour MP's to the the English and Welsh ones the tories have more seats.

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We love you, though, and just want to give you a big hug. xxxx :)

You should come round to our house for champagne and fox sandwiches.

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The WORLDWIDE problems not just a UK problem?

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Did the Lib Dems pull out of the talks? I must have missed that...

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No the BNP will do nicely,because people's votes mean s*d all to this undemocratic bunch of horse dung that we have in power at the moment.

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Aye if it wasn't for those greeks, italians and yanks everything would be just rosy in the UK. :rolleyes:

Try extracting your head from the sand and you'll see that the economy is in the toilet and regardless of who eventually gets into power things will be painful for a long time to repair the damage caused by the mismanagment of the last government.

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Hmm, a vote for them would be a vote for the nazis and be very careful of your family history or they will be wanting you to leave the country if you have any foreign blood in you, this will probably account for many of their rather stupid membership.:D

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I think it's a fair point that most Western economies are in the toilet due to a global financial crisis. There are many countries will have to make massive cuts over the coming years, and I'm not talking about Greece.

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Typical Tory media machine that is SKY. Boulton a div of the highest order.

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So the 15 years of Tory ruin we had in the 80's and early 90's when we had record interest rates, reposessions at a record high, industry closing on a record scale, Tories filling their pockets with cash from the "BIG UK SELL OFF" from Steel, Coal, Gas, Railways and many many more UK owned industries.

15 years of Tory ruin will take 20+ years to put right. A slow and painful death for a Tory can't come soon enough IMO.

You need to get your head out of the sand quick sharp.

I'll go next door and ask my neighbour who's a nurese if she's better of under Labour or Tory? Her reply will be I'm better off by £5000 a year under Labour.

Can you remember when the nurses were the lowest paid nurses in the world under the Tories? When Labour came to power they increased their wages by 20% to bring them into line.

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Adam Boulton got it right when he said,all this stirring with gb and the libdems was cooked up by that greasy slimeball mandleson and campbell

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Excellent. By my calculations Labour have been/were in power for 13 years or so. 7 more years and we are in the land of milk and honey.

Yep she is. My job is better paid than it was under the tories as well. The thing is thats all labour know how to do. Throw money at a problem without thinking of the effects of it or how to pay for it.

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surely you mean throw other peoples money at a problem .trouble is they have run out of other peoples money to spend .

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Nothing wrong with my family history pal.i'm english through and through just like my father,grandfather,great grandfather,great great grandfather etc etc.

And i don't buy into all that bull about them being Nazi's,i know a few elderly people who vote BNP and they fought against the nazi's during ww2 they just hate to see how there country is being given away to any foreigner that wants to live here and take a british job.

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Many think that about their family history but go back a hundred years or so and they get a surprise, plus do not forget your mothers side as well.;)

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I'll tell you what it's not: in the context of a parliamentary election, it isn't proportional representation.

If you have a single post to fill, it works just fine, because it ensures that amongst the group of people who elect that single person, there is effectively a broad agreement on who is the best for the job, even if that person was the second preference for some of the voters. So it would be fine for, say, electing the president of a Student Union.

The problem is, it doesn't address the big problem we have in our system, which is that minor parties have a solid level of support spread thinly round the country. AV elections for the UK Parliament would be held exactly as FPTP ones are now, that is, 650 individual elections, one per constituency. A party could come second in every constituency under FPTP and end up with nothing. It could very easily achieve exactly the same result under AV.

To achieve proportional representation you need to take account of a party's support over a wider area, such as a region perhaps 4-5 times the size of one of our current constituencies, and then allocate multiple seats within that area based on proportions of votes gained rather than a simple majority.

Hague is on BBC News now suggesting that the Lib Dems have been asking for AV as a bare minimum in negotiations. If that's true, it's a pretty generous concession from Clegg given it is very far from what they actually want. Nevertheless, when Brown offered AV during the election campaign, Clegg acknowledged it as a 'baby step' in the right direction.

Interesting times.

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I came to England and took a job that 14 English people went for, do you think the BNP would be against me?

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Someone has to take the British jobs, copious amounts of welfare addicted British who won't :D

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Falconer's on now, spinning like mad. I still think Labour rates its own chances somewhat higher than they actually are right now.

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I've gone back more than a hundred years and guess what,my ancestors are still english.both on my mother and my fathers side.so i'm still ok with the BNP.

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Yep. :tu:

Plenty of bosses are fed up with useless british workers who think wandering in late or not at all is good enough and find eastern european workers who actually work hard a breath of fresh air.

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They are still a bunch of nazis and a leopard can never change its spots, you vote for a nazi then you get a nazi.

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You still haven't answered my question.

In any case what would the BNP do to salvage the NHS once they've got rid of all the "non indigenous British" doctors and nurses?

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Bullcrap.
There are lots of british people who will work,but don't get the chance because the bosses want cheap foreign labour that they can work like dogs.

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Maybe so but at least they'll be british nazi's.who put the british people first.

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I hope so,does that answer your question.

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Why do you hope so?

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So all the deadbeats that have not worked since they left school cannot get jobs because of cheap foreign labour, I do not think so it because of the welfare culture we have now.

I know people that have not worked for 25 years plus and this was before the influx of cheap labour, at least the foreign labour wants to work where many of our own people refuse to ever work.

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a) Labour took over a budget surplus in 97, or did you forget that?
b) I think it is good that nurses are paid reasonably, but where do you think the money comes from to pay the public sector - the money fairy? Or is your reply to that similar to other Labour voters - "that's someone else's problem" :(

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Don't you mean work hard with long hours for a pittance.And half the time the british people wouldn't put up with the way the bosses treat the eastern european workers ie 12 hour shifts with half hour for dinner having to ask to go to the toilet.

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Just seen the John Reid (ex Labour Home Secretary) interview on the BBC - he said the public shouldn't support a Coalition of Losers (Lab and LibDem), and that the future of the country seems to being predicated by something that 73% of the country didn't vote on (Proportional Representation), which can't be right.

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If the the Lib-Dems don't concede on some major issues, regardless of who they join up with, they will in effect be the one deciding all major issues whilst being the third party. Whichever voting system you use, that would not be democratic by any stretch of the imagination.

The Lib-Dems campaigned in many areas saying that they are the alternative to the party of the sitting MP. That means that many of the current votes are likely to be in 'protest' to the party of their sitting MP. Could that mean that under PR the Lib-Dems would get less votes?

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Really? You've got no idea of the conditions of some of the factories I worked in when I was younger.

Anyway, why do you hope the BNP would be against me?