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Considering how much France is involved in the EU i think " Do as we say not as we do " springs to mind

Personaly i would have given him a choice, Back to your own country or be given NOTHING in support here.

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Choudary is British born which is why i think he is a much bigger threat than say Abu Hamza ,we can kick Hamza out not so with Choudary

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It should be totally banned, When l see them in shops in send shivers down my spine, If they live in this country they should live by our rules.

Its a sercuity risk, and this country is always being hit, In this country we always appear to be ruled by other people.

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you're allowed to wear what you want Arthur so why shouldn't they .The only exceptions for the burkha is high security areas ,the same rules should apply as with helmets in banks and airports

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So because you don't like it, it should be banned? How very tolerant of you Arthur.

They already do Arthur. Our 'rules' say nothing against wearing the burkha in public.

Yes, 'always being hit', for example 6 years ago.

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I didn't realise the recent bombers in Omagh wore burqas......

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If you go to another country, you have to abide to that countries rules, why shouldn't they.

Other countries have brought this ban in, so why not the UK, but there again this country is too soft.

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just because other countries do it ,it doesn't make it right .Yes other countries are concidering it or have already introduced a ban for face covering clothing in security sensitive areas ,not specifically the burkha.

This country already has legislation in place to deal with the burkha in security sensitive places and that should be enough

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Probably because there's no real reason to ban it?

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They do. We are allowed to wear clothes the signify any religious belief. So are they. While I don't like the fact that certain muslim sects (not all do, by any means) require that their womenfolk wear burkhas, they are entitled to wear them in low security areas.

OK, so say we introduce a ban on burkhas in public areas. What next? A ban on crosses and other religious symbols? A ban on colours used by known gangs? A ban on any sort of headgear?

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You nicking images?

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No, they just changed the image on purpose to make me look bad :mad:

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Nope, they didn't change the image. If you put the URL into your browser the image you wanted comes up (although you may have to clear your browser cache first). They just did what a lot of sites do when you hotlink to their image and substitute a different one. If you want to post an image either host it yourself or upload it as an attachment.

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I am not sure where I stand on public areas, probably leaning to not banning it. However what I dont like is in the workplace people with certian religious requirements can get round business policies of acceptable clothing. Thats wrong in my view.

In regards to places like banks where helmets are banned then yes they should also be banned.

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Blimey.... been away for months and seems like I'm stuck in time!

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Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité (unless your a Muslim).

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What haven't been banned in public places.

Motorcycle helmets
Face-masks for health reasons
Face-covering for sporting or professional activities
Sunglasses, hats etc which do not completely hide the face
Masks used in "traditional activities", such as carnivals or religious processions.

The above could all be regarded as security risks.

So if you are Muslim only you are not allowed the freedom that France regards as her prerogative.

I guess a few Muslim women may decide that wearing a motorcycling helmet will be a substitute. ;)

Also if such a ban finds it's way here I hope we all go out and buy a burkha and wear it as a mass protest.

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No chance i prefer to scare people with my looks :)

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You go ahead, I'll be at the pub having a pint and a bacon sandwich.

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this face was made for sharing :smokin:

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I can understand how you'd drink a pint but how would you get the sandwich through the mesh bit?? ;)

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well it went down without too much bother

Just two arrests as France brings in burka ban (and the only real demo is in LONDON)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1JENmtoJp

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wonder how many of those protesters outside the french embassy in london where actually Muslim women

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The good old French. Their "This is our country, so live by our rules" attitude is great. It's a shame the UK can't act like the French people do.
1.... French fuel prices rise, so they blockade the ports and motorways until it is put right.

2....The English fuel prices rise, and all we do is write a letter to MP or start a facebook campaign LMAO.

At least the French are not scared to stand up and be counted, unlike the good old spineless UK

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:clap:

I agree it should be banned, if they want to wear them in there home thats fine but places like schools, shops, banks, airports etc it should be banned.

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I guess that means you want hoodies, sunglasses, beards, hats and helmets banned from those places too?

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I think you'll find they are very restricted were they can wear them
which has already been covered in the thread so your post is pointless and very ignorant .Do some googling and find out why the women wear veils and then try to work out why wearing them in the house is a ridiculous remark to make

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Its my view and is prob different from your hence your view my post is ridculous, I feel differently than what you do so my views are my views and I have my reasons, I am not going to sit here and just agree with you because its correct in your eyes.

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Hoodies no because you can still see there faces
Hats no again same as hoodies
Helmets why would someone wear if they are off there motorbike etc
sunglasses again you can still see the face more clearly than you ca if they wear a burkha.

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Nobody would expect you to - it's just your post makes little sense unless viewed as being racially/religiously biased.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the burkha. I think it looks daft and can look intimidating sometimes. The other day a women in the car next to me in traffic had the full-faced veil and was eating what looked like were sweets, at one point she forgot was she was wearing and tried to put one in her mouth while the veil was covering her, I couldn't stop laughing for ages :D

But...this is MY problem, not hers. If people are happy to wear things like that in public who the hell are we to tell them not to just because we don't like it or the way it makes us feel?

For security purposes at banks, airports etc I have no problem with them being banned but out in the street just because we don't like what we see? How hypocritical is that.

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Halloween/fancy dress masks?

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I don't mind if you agree or not ,but suggesting that the women should only be allowed to wear them in the house is ridiculous .Just to help you out ..they wear them to stop other men they do not know from looking at their faces,so a bit pointless wearing them in the house don't you think

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My daughter's college tutor asked his class what they thought about banning the burkha in the UK...

One chubby lass suddenly sat bolt upright, looking shocked

"OMG! I couldn't live without MacDonalds or Burger King!!!!"

:dozey:

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I know why they wear them and I understand but it was just a saying as such, I don't agree with it because of the secuirty of it, even in the street its a issue because that could be anyone under that burkha

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When was the last time someone robbed a bank while wearing one?

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French people can be Muslims too. It's 'their' country as well....:dozey:

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18 months ago eh....(although to be fair, that's not a bank...)

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I don't agree with them because of the security issue either a good point and one i have made myself ,but i draw the line at a ban as the french have done because it would also mean that half the clothes teenagers wear would be banned as well because under that hoody it could be anyone ,or behind that scarf on cold day it could be anyone ,or ...i could go on but i'm sure you get the point .You can't just ban clothing because Muslims wear them ,and like it or not,correct or incorrect that is how you appear

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I did post some links earlier in the thread to highlight the security issue ,banks ,post offices ,airports ect but in my opinion that threat should be dealt the same as helmets ect, as although there is an issue with potential robbers using burkas to hide their appearance the threat is no greater from someone using a helmet to commit a crime

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It was him 3rd from right. behind the one in front of him.
and if they don't catch him now. he'll keep on doing it.
but try not to offend anyone by asking the wrong one to show his face or we'll have hell to pay.

I hate this man. he knows we'll never catch him :)

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Gary L - never knowingly sensible.......:D

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Just always sensible without realising :D

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:confused:

Wear them in their home, that's the one place they aren't "required" to wear them...

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Perhaps a more pertinent point would be that the growing use of cctv in fighting crime becomes quite a bit trickier if the person trying to be identified is wearing a burqa.

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Or scarves or masks at protest marches....

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Exactly. I think France are probably thinking along the lines of nip it in the bud before they all start wearing them as a means of disguise.

the only problem is that as a way of protest/rebellion, they might start wearing them all the more in other countries that haven't banned the 'who is that person' disguise. such as the UK.

and the streets would look like this.
(that's me at the back. standing next to the rapist. just left of the paedo) :)

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2984/burqawomen1.jpg

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In appropriate company, then......

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I'm sure you're just joking.

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I was referring to the fact that everyone in the group would be anonymous, which allows you to make stuff up about them based on no evidence whatsoever.

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Of course you was, Hugh ;)

and I suppose you agree with the reasons for the ban and the consequences too.

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Bit of a no brainer really, anyone attending a protest should be forced to remove any face covering or be arrested, especially that man holding hands with V, that is the best horror mask I have ever seen.

I find it interesting that the French ban doesn't extend to those Grace Kelly type headscarfs and sun glasses, so this is acceptable but a nice burqa- niqab combo isn't.

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Once again, your supposition is in error.:)

(btw, the correct usage is "were", not "was" - your dialect is showing....:D).

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He always gets petty when he's flustered :)

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Pedantic rather than petty, and you couldn't fluster a feather :D (although, you could probably be a fluffer, rather than a flusterer...;)).

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Anyone attending a protest etc and covering their face, can be forced to remove it or be arrested. Section 60 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994, gives the police the power to remove such face coverings;)
However, the police can come unstuck at the moment, because the race/religion card can be played, which could prevent them from unmasking someone in a burqa:td:

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But on the bright side, they might have a bit of difficulty doing a runner in a burqa.

Swings/roundabouts....:D

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Thats one flick I wouldn't want to be involved in :disturbd::D

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I'm very much anti-racism etc, but I do also feel the laws and beliefs of the country you are in, should be respected. Where my grandmother lived (near Dewsbury, West Yorkshire), was slap bang in the middle of the Muslim community (I'm going back 20+years now). Killing of a goat over the street drain was not uncommon, and neither was traditional Muslim dress etc. But there were not many women wearing the burqa back then, and there always seemed to be that mutual respect for others cultures etc etc. The same area now has a ban on the killing/draining of blood in to the street drains, most of the women are wearing burqas, and there really is a VERY clear divide between Muslim and none-Muslim people. The older generation didn't always understand the killing of the animals, and draining of the blood etc etc. But they respected it as part of the Muslim culture. If it happened out in the street today, people would go absolutely nuts. But we "British" people have been killing livestock in open view for thousands of years, so I see no need to object to such things.
We also need to remember that the burqa is not something a woman chooses to wear as such. It was forced upon the women by the man in their life, or their father/family. The Hijab is the traditional head dress of the Islamic faiths, and is worn voluntarily as a show of respect and faith. The burqa comes from an extreme group of believers, thought to have originated in Afghanistan areas.

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Persian women were wearing burqa's long before there even was an Islam...

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Are you serious ?I realy don't know where you get that idea from ,and yes "us British" would go nuts if we saw someone killing a goat in the street and letting the blood drain down the street ,and rightly so ,that may be acceptible and even nescesary in the African plains or even the highlands of Scotland but most definately not in a street in yorkshire

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correct ..and so were men,to keep sand out of the mouth and eyes ,an example of something whose use has evolved from a practical purpose into something with religious symbolism .

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Sunglasses have a practical use in France. Beyond protecting the wearer from the Sun or rain, Niqabs have no such practical use in France. They have a religious significance.

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I'm sorry, but where I come from, meat comes from an animal, not a supermarket. I have respect for the animal I'm eating, and have no issues with seeing an animal being killed for food, either by traditional methods, or religious ones. It's not that long since dead birds and game would be hanging outside a butchers shop, and would be plucked and gutted on a block in full public view.
Do you believe a goat killed in private suffers any more or less?
I'd rather my kids grow up with a realistic view on the world, than one sugar coated by modern day squeamish views on meat and where it comes from.

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I have no issues either with killing or seeing an animal killed ,yes i grew up with traditional butchers ,abattoirs and even killed small game myself ,my grandmother used to neck a chicken for dinner on a regular basis ,just not in the street ,there is a time and a place:rolleyes: .
There are some elements of foreign culture that we used to have but have grown out of thankfully and trying to drag us back into the dark ages for the sake of multiculturalism is just plain idiotic

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I don't know. slaughtering pigs on the streets isn't a good idea really.

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Multiculturalism has nawt to do with it, and people killing an animal for meat in public view, isn't anywhere near the dark ages. It's just that today people don't "like" to see where their food comes from. They want it in a plastic wrapper, "fresh" from the supermarket. LOL I'd rather go to someone's house and see them kill and drain the animal themselves in the street, than eat some packaged off cuts dressed up as meat, after being pumped full of crap and water.
But we are drifting off topic a bit here. As said, I agree with the ban of the burqa, as it is a form of dress forced upon Islamic women, and has its routes within an extremist take of the Islamic faith.

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And that with the views of some that Sharia law should be introduced into a country, is probably one of the main reasons for the ban.

we have to remember that some people believe that some Muslims intentions are to take over. and this could be in answer to that.

a way of saying not on your nelly.

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so why exactly do you think that people should be able to kill their supper in the street because it is in their culture but not to wear a burkha as part of their culture .Don't forget that some muslim women choose to wear it because they are deeply religious not all women are forced to wear it .As long as it is not worn in banks ,post offices ect i have no problem

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Killing an animal is for food, no matter where it is killed, or by what method. That is not culture, it is a simple fact of life that we eat meat that we have to kill.
As explained, the burqa stems from extremism. And although a minority may wear it voluntarily, the majority have it forced upon them.

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"French beekeepers to protest against ‘no veils in workplace’ law"

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Someone needs to show them the rulebook. it clearly states 'Muslim' not bee keepers :D

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Someone needs to read that site although I'm sure he "knew all along".

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I don't think Matt does, Russ :)

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So are all bee keepers Muslim then? Or are the bees from an Islamic background, and they cover their faces as a mark of respect? LOL

Either way, I say ban bee keeping too!!!

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That would be unfair to all those that want to keep bees. I like bees. I would defend the rights of those people that wanted to keep bees if it came to it.

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Do that and all your fruit and veg will cost 10 times as much as everyone will have to pollinate everything by hand.:rolleyes:

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[analmodeON]

Grasses are pollinated by the wind. So a beefburger on a wheat bun shouldn't cost any more. Although the tomato sauce might. ;)

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Man cannot live by bread alone..;)

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... but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. (Gospel according to Matthew, Chapter 4, verse 4).

A Damascene conversion, Maggy?

:D

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No just a nutritional observation.;) Sometimes there is a germ of truth in that there bible.:D