Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

On professional horse racing/eventing and showjumping events it is required in the rules and regulations to wear the protective gear and also there has to be a ambulance and doctor present at each event or else the events will not start.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Not what staggie said though, he said horse riding ;)

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

more folk are killed every year horse riding wether showjumping horse racing or trapsing around the country side

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

No, no, no the fatalaties on people riding on their horses around the countryside are much more considerable compared to Showjumping/Horse Racing and Eventing as in these sports they are required by the rules to wear the safety gear and also there is a ambulance and doctor that has to be at every event and so any injuries are treated much faster.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

so should we ban horse riding then

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Well, the horses don't have a choice, do they?

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Staggie, you don't seem to realise the difference between choosing to accept the possibility of death (which anyone taking part in a risky activity takes into account) and the choice less options of a fox being hunted..

:rolleyes:

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

yes if they dont want you on they will chuck you if they dunna want to jump they waint

---------- Post added at 16:42 ---------- Previous post was at 16:40 ----------

i dont believe in any blood sports but if they bring back fox hunting they may as wel bring em all back fairs fair dealsa deal

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

You keep repeating that for some weird reason??

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

No as l like to bet on the horses and it is also a wonderful sport to watch.

---------- Post added at 16:50 ---------- Previous post was at 16:48 ----------

Horses love to race and take part in these sporting events.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

hmmm

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

While not disputing the unfortunate events at the Grand National this is a event that does not happen that often and remember the media especially will hype up such events to make it look like there is a huge problem which it is not.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Erm. That event is held every year, and there were 33 fatalities in the last 11 years. An average of three per year. As much as I like to watch the Grand National, I'd say that's quite a problem.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Sorry but this thread is about hunting and purposely killing an animal and I don't see the relevance in participating in a sport where although deaths may happen it's not the end goal of the event.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Yeah. Fair enough. I suppose we got sidetracked by the argument for banning horse racing.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Again both sides have strong views and the thread meanders on..

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

if they need culling geta proffesional to shut em
not some half cut toff ona nag witha load of hounds in tow

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

When you're right, you're right.....

Except of course, when you're wrong...;)

Banwen Miners Hunt

Working Class Fox Hunt

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

I wonder what the hunting lobby would say about having to make sure a vet is in attendance. ;)

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

they wunt allow that or some one from the rspca either

---------- Post added at 06:50 ---------- Previous post was at 06:49 ----------

that is the exeption rather than the rule they should either allow all blood sports or non

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Start chasing him down the road.;):D;):D

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Rewind, repeat ad nauseam.....

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

yup cos you know im right lol

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Mindless repetition does not necessarily equate with veracity.....;)

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

nope it shows that folk have opinions and stand by them

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

No matter how ill-informed they are......:D

Ignorance is nothing to be ashamed of, but it's not something to be proud of, either....;)

btw, and this may come as a shock to you, all the way through this thread I have stated that I am against fox hunting (but also that I am against the double standards that some people seem to apply, and the stereotypes applied to fox hunters, by yourself amongst others...).

Have a nice day.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

never sed you dint mate
and and having a superiority complex aint good virtues either lol

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

dont bring it back everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

You're arguing that it shouldn't be brought back.. yet have you actually looked what's happening today in the fox hunting world or are you just arguing for the sake of it?

Many papers have been drafted on the subject and all agree the following statement

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

no i think its barbaric and of the past just like bull baiting dog fighting cock grappling badger getting
so i think it was about time it was banned but if they bring one back they may as well bring em all back
if they need culling thena proffesional could do it not some hoorayyy prancing about on some nag

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

It's almost as if Tony Banks is still alive, bringing some ones class into it says more about you than all your animal rights platitudes

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

well the reason that fox hunting wasnt banned yearsssssssssss ago was because of class when all other bloodsports were
class apart when it was banned it was the right thing and the right thing to keep it banned

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Bit of a Freudian slip there, staggie.........;)

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

erm erm erm shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
back on topic lol

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

I wonder how Staggie could explain the simple fact that the upper classes are still hunting yet the lower classes that provide legal services to legal hunts have suffered more through loss of income??

All the bans done is force a lot of it underground and it's done nothing to protect the foxes. Perhaps a better system would have been quotas, regulation or finding alternatives than a simple ban.

I'll though wait for my unarmed opponent to yet again repeat that if they remove the ban then they should allow all blood sports :rolleyes:

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

It wasn't the right thing to do as the laws a mess, the police have so much trouble trying to interpret it they just don't bother, buffons like Banks were so keen to to jump up and down and shout "that showed the toffs" they never bothered making a workable law.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

well it eithera blood sport or its not why should it be repealed its been banned move on do summat else
its not the laws fault that the fox hunters are breaking the law
they shpould be charfged and where nessercery jailed for animal cruelty

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

What if they were immigrant Tory toff strike-breaking scab foxes - would you support fox hunting then? ;)

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Legal hunts currently are not breaking the law and foxes are still being killed by dogs.. The hunt though is not a fox hunt..

:rofl:

As stated by a lot of members in this thread is that the ban simply is not working..

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

What's the difference between a dog killing a fox and a eagle owl and it is the people that brought the law ins fault if the laws an ass.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

nope fox hunting wrong which ever way you slice it

---------- Post added at 14:52 ---------- Previous post was at 14:50 ----------

so impound the horses and hounds and jail any one who breaks the law

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

But they are not breaking the law..

That is the thing you seem so desperate to ignore..

May I suggest that you do some googling in relation to the subject before you bother posting anything else regarding this subject. Then you will see that the ban simply is not working as there are many legal ways round the ban and revoking said ban would probably mean very little to the foxes.

No-one is suggesting that we don't protect the foxes in some way.. but the debate should be how to implement a correct way of doing so.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

soooooooooo ban the hunting and killing of foxes altogether make ita 6 month mandantory sentance if they do so
then only killed by a qualified person who knows who to humanly cull foxes rather than some half cut toff bounding about dressed like julian clarey blowing his horn
then draw it in crayon so the thickeads can understand

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

I've not heard that one before - what is the punch line? ;)

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

I've never seen a dog kill an eagle owl?

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

ive never seen an elephant fly

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

And pigs might fly.:D;):D

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Yes I didn't type that as well as I should've, seems I have been dragged down by recent abysmal posting trends ;)

You ever seen a fox killed by an eagle owl, seems quite popular these days, dogs flush foxy out and in swoops Mr owl, think Golden Eagles are used as well on some hunts.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

ban that too

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

How - by shooting the eagle owl?

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Why, it's more humane than snares and shotgun pellets

---------- Post added at 18:20 ---------- Previous post was at 18:18 ----------

That'd be the kindest way according to Alan Partridge :D

Alan: [On the owl sanctuary bird cages] It looks a little like death row, doesn’t it? I’m sorry, Mr. Hawk your pardon has been turned down. You have been found guilty of the premeditated homicide of a mouse, and you’ll be
hanged by the neck until dead. And don’t try to hover up so that the rope goes slack. Because they could do that, couldn’t they? If you tried to hang a hawk, they could always hover so the
rope went slack. So, I suppose if you were going to execute a bird of prey the most human way would be death by firing squad.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Little bit harsh but then I do love a Tunnocks :scratch: :)

Queen guitarist Brian May has launched an attack on a golf club after one of its members clubbed a tame fox and left it for dead.

Forbes, an oil boss, attacked the animal after it stole his Tunnock's caramel wafer biscuit. Another golfer was then forced to put it out of its misery

http://www.nme.com/news/queen/58108

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

The local bloggers seem to have measure of the cowardly despicable Forbes:

http://aberdeenvoice.com/tag/donald-forbes/

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

I know which one i would have dealt with

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

One moment she was fast asleep, the next she was awake with the realisation that an animal was sitting on her chest and clawing at her face.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...b-bedroom.html

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Christ how terrifying to wake up and feel something clawing at your face.:shocked::shocked::shocked::.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Her face doesn't look very "clawed"......

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

But would you like to wake up and see that on top of you.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Startled, perhaps - but back to my point re "clawing at her face" and lack of "claw" marks in the photos.......;)

It was so frightening that her hubby took a picture, rather than scare it out of the house.....

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Indeed how terrifying to be chased until you drop by a pack of dogs, Then ripped to shreds while the so called humans watch and scream like neanderthals and then spread the blood on children :mad:

Fox hunting is a sport used to serve and satisfy the blood lust and enjoyment of a group of mindless morons, It has to be honest nothing to do with controlling foxes and has everything to do with killing for FUN.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

and go running to the press for their 10mins of fame and a small remuneration

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Yes l agree it is a despicable sport run by the Tally ho and Hooray Henry brigade who can afford to subsidise their sickening taste for blood lust.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/09/70.jpg

Danger, Will Robinson - we are about to be attacked by uninformed stereotyping....:D

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

You must have had 3 shredded Wheat for breakfast again.:)

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Thank you for that irrelevant non-sequitur.

Never let facts spoil a good bias, eh?

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Come on Marty she only changed once during that photo shoot. Interestingly since listening to this ont he radio it seems the bloody thing came back not long after trying to get in again. Won't be long before another childs mauled badly.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Well French shepherds have got a completely different animal to be concerned about.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14637701
mind it's not too bad.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

French farmers playing the system to enhance their agricultural subsidies? Mais non!

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Sacre bleu - quelle surprise!

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

ces Francais sanglante.:(:(

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

so do Filipino farmers and fishermen...

It weighs one ton and is believed responsible for eating at least one fisherman, but this monster crocodile has finally been caught by 100 very cautious men.

Measuring 21ft from snout to tail, the massive creature is the largest crocodile captured alive in recent years.

However, when a village fisherman went missing and the crocodile became the chief suspect, plans were hatched to catch it

It was placed under observation and when it was witnessed by several villagers killing a water buffalo they knew their suspicions were right.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti....html?ITO=1490

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

TheDaddy, you do know I was talking about the French situation because they still have wolves but we don't because we hunted our wolves to extinction..a sort of pointing out what the consequences are of over hunting rather than controlling a predator populations.

I'm still in the position of not liking fox hunting but realising that there is a need for controlling a predator for it's own and humans sake and that we should be looking for a rather more humane methods of controlling numbers.

You wouldn't expect anyone to allow any animal numbers to get out of balance when it can lead to unhealthy specimens and a lack of a decent healthy food chain.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

A pro-hunting group played down ministerial calls for a free vote on repealing the foxhunting ban to be held soon as record numbers turned out across Britain for Boxing Day meets.

The Countryside Alliance – which claims support for hunting is stronger since the ban took effect – said it was "sensible" and "grown up" for the government to prioritise the economy over the controversial legislation.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/de...?newsfeed=true

Quite right, far to much parliamentary time's already been wasted on this.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

and maybe they have finally realised that support for hunting has grown because people have joined hunts knowing they won't be deliberately hunting down a fox ,just scent trails and dummies and still having just as much fun

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Err they are still killing them, twice as many foxes as before the ban in fact.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Linky?

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

I know ,i made that point earlier in the thread and that's why i don't see why they want the ban withdrawn .The difference now is they cannot go out with the intention of killing a fox ,which would attract people who otherwise wouldn't join a hunt and figures support that because hunt membership has increased quite a lot since the ban ,as i pointed out earlier also

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

At the end of the day foxhunting has always been cruel and barbaric and the vast majority of people see it as that but it still won't stop the tally ho brigade from enjoying their sadistic fun even though it is scent trails and dummies they are having fun with.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

"tally ho brigade"?

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tally-ho

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

I was being amused at your emotive stereotyping....

(especially the image of fox hunters enjoying their sadistic fun even though it is scent trails and dummies - giving the dummies a good thrashing, were they?)

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Then please enlighten me to what would be your description of them Hugh.:)

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

T o be honest Den quite a lot of hunt members are just everyday people ,they are not all landed gentry by any means

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Well said that man. Those that hunt foxes are as far as i am concerned a bunch of barbarians only out to fill there blood lust.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Hmm not sure you have grasped the concept of the legislation, they do still go out with the sole intention of killing foxes and the use of guns has made that intention some what easier and should the gun only wound the animal more foxes are being savaged, mauled, ripped to pieces etc than ever before.

Duke of Buccleuch’s huntsman Trevor Adams told H&H that Lord Watson’s comments were misguided.



“Certainly there are more foxes being killed than before because we have added guns to the equation,� he said.

“Hounds are killing foxes that have been wounded by the guns — probably twice as many as previously.�

“But as a piece of legislation, it does nothing for animal welfare; in fact, more foxes are being killed by methods that are less humane.�

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/397/310840.html

---------- Post added at 16:56 ---------- Previous post was at 16:55 ----------


Uk


More foxes are being killed and more people are hunting with hounds than before the hunting ban


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4724028.stm


Scotland


The number of foxes being killed in Scotland has almost doubled following the ban on traditional hunting.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ntroduced.html

---------- Post added at 17:00 ---------- Previous post was at 16:56 ----------

Lets hope it's a some what better description than yours which reminded me of that arch buffoon Tony Banks jumping up and down shouting "that showed the toffs" the night hunting was banned, obviously some one more interested in some sort of class warfare than animal welfare.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Well first thing first Tony Banks was a idiot so to make comparisions between him and me is frankly laughable and at the end of the day my main concern first and foremost is animal welfare and nothing more then that.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

When you use phrases like tally ho brigade expect comparisons to be made and also expect any genuine concernes for animal welfare you have to be tainted by such drivel imo.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

I do understand it thank you and yes that does happen and it is a very dubious application of the act ,they are allowed to kill the fox if it is injured (or they believe it to be injured) the fact that they injured it (possibly deliberately) could land them in court .Also the pro hunting lobby will use any evidence to show the act is not working ,which is shooting themselves in the foot(excuse the pun;))because the more evidence they give showing it is not working the more they prove it has been most beneficial to the farmers/chicken owners ect because they are killing more foxes ,hunts have increased providing more jobs and no income has been lost .

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Well thats what it is all about in that you have your opinion and l have mine and lets just leave it at that.:)

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Exactly the point I was trying to make...:)

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Sounds like one of the parties that I have been to:erm::D:D:D:D

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Thats why i stick to barberian's with a blood lust, Its far more fitting.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

It's the act itself that's dubious, how can it be legal to use 2 hounds to flush a fox out and shoot it but not 3 and yet use as many dogs as you like to flush it out for your eagle owl and interestingly enough the High Court decided that flushing out didn't consitute hunting anyway.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Still basically *******s with a warped bloodlust.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Don't get me wrong i do agree with you .It is a half assed piece of legislation that has more loopholes than a crocheted dioly.
The pro hunt lobby cannot complain though if the aim of foxhunting was to control foxes as they have always claimed then it is a success as more foxes are being killed .
As i evidenced earlier in the thread hunt membership has gone up with none of the mass hound slaughter ,job losses,or hunt closures predicted ,so if i was a pro hunt lobbyist i would perhaps just keep quiet .
And as you quite correctly said in your earlier post the government have far more important things to use the available parliamentary time on

---------- Post added at 09:26 ---------- Previous post was at 09:25 ----------

most definately

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Indeed :tu:

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

Can one have an unwarped bloodlust?

(just asking....)

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

No idea. Depends what they do i suppose.

Spreading the blood of a kill on children's faces

In fact taking kids to a kill and making them watch a bunch of animals rip another animal to pieces is just down right barbaric.

Screaming at the dogs and laughing at the poor animal they are killing for enjoyment

In fact there not only barbaric they are neanderthal in nature as well.

Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 

I'd argue it's a tad more honest than bringing them up to believe that cuddly-wuddly Brer Fox and his woodland chums live a civilised existence in which they enjoy nothing more than a tea party under the great oak tree.

Your point of view on this issue is borne out of the unique time and place in which you live. Most of the rest of the world simply doesn't see the natural world through such rose-tinted lenses.