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The one had an email address for a name. tanniyn, b@hemowth :)

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does that have a grown up version

"Out of his mouth go burning lights; sparks of fire shoot out. Smoke goes out of his nostrils"


utter childish bull pucky :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Yes, it's called The Bible. Try the Book of Job.

As for growing up, I refer you to this comment:

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There's all different answers to whether dinosaurs were extinct before man was created, or whether they were both around at the same time.

The thing that gets me is everything has to be true and is the correct course of events because it has been interpreted to be so from the Bible.

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The thing that gets me is when people pretend to have an interest in biblical matter and ask questions purely to mock and score more ammunition to support their pointless agendas. What makes it even more pathetic is when they accuse Christians of dodging questions when they do exactly the same and put words in our mouth to suit their arguments when it's clear it's not what we've said.

When people have to make up answers in order to prove their point, that's a sure sign of a weakening argument and an ignorant disposition.

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How many times do you have to keep turning it into an attack and accusing people that they have no interest in it? do I keep accusing you that you are doing this and doing that all the time?

I am not putting words in anyones mouths. that is your excuse all the time.
We have moved on and now we're on dinosuars. and there's questions, opinions, and thoughts being discussed about dinosaurs.
If you don't want to take part in the discussion then don't. you choose to. nobody is forcing you to.

Your selective snipping and quoting has thrown my post out of the context it was made in. as it is now from the selective quoting you have made, it is in your favour.

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If I was talking directly about you, I'd have named you specifically.

Someone wanted proof that dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible, I provided a link. The response to that was a childish come-back. What more can I do.

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"Out of his mouth go burning lights; sparks of fire shoot out. Smoke goes out of his nostrils"
is that what you call proof -it sounds like jk Rowling or a similar book of children's stories oh you do bring a smile to my face .

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Now you see, you've getting cynical. I was asked for proof that dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible. That link proves they are mentioned. I did what I was asked.

Now back to you. In post #790 I asked how much of it you'd ignore. All of it, so it seems.

Just in case it's you being forgetful, every time you ignore something I put to you, I'll point it out, just for your convenience so you can go back and answer it. OK with you?

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Gentlemen, none of you are behaving very well any more on this thread.

Can no one think of a new thread to start up?:)

I am all threaded out, as mine keep getting moved!:)

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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/22...d-page-53.html

i wasn't in post #790 your confusing me with drz400 -

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I apologise, it's kind of confusing when a few people have an almost identical posting style.

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Well say the person who you are talking to instead of tagging it at the end of my post. it's not as if you haven't said it about me before anyway.

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Painful as it was, I did actually read that drivel.... it's rubbish like this that so infuriates scientists.:rolleyes:

Can we do Noah next ...... PLEEEEEEAAASSSSEEEE.:D

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:tu:

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You speak for all scientists? Impressive but I find it doubtful....

In any case I was asked to show that dinosaurs were mentioned in the bible, I proved it.

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Answer some of what I've put to you first?

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News for you, humans almost became extinct 70 000 years ago, there were less than 2000 of us left on the entire planet, incest almost certainly played a part in our survival.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352461,00.html

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Only the clever ones.:D

Come on .... you can't honestly believe dinosaurs and man lived side by side. It just didn't happen.... it's just daft and deep down you must know it.

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Don't pressume to know me. Perhaps I should say you ignore my points because you can't answer them and you know it?

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erm, how can a programmer speak for the clever scientists? ;)

Do they know you speak on their behalf? I assumed you would be speaking on behalf of all Suzie owners. :D

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I speak for all who don't believe this bilge.


And 'flame thrower' they talk of is a jet of gas nearer 100 degrees celsius.

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Err no you dont, no more than Russ speaks for all who do believe it

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Big of you to speak on behalf of people who have never heard of you, or know that you are speaking on their behalf - I checked with my bro-in-law (proper scientist, B.Sc, Ph.D, Associate Professor before he moved into research in industry), and he said you don't speak for him.

It appears you may be a little delusional on that matter - did you hear voices telling you to go forth and speak on scientists behalf, or were you expected to speak in code, being a programmer? ;)

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Perhaps he was speaking in tongues? ;)

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To be fair, programmers tend not to be too communicative to "normal" people. :D

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B.Sc in psychology and you do not speak for me. Ever, in any subject.

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its amazing what they put in cornflake boxes these days ;)

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That "special" frosting.

Oh so tasty, and gives you that extra "zing" to help you get through the day with a sparkle in your eye, a spring in your step, and a perforation in your septum.

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And THAT'S your reply to the following.

Genius .... well done.:rofl:

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excuse me, but whom are you quoting and how does it relate to the thread topic?

In my opinion using either the Bible or 'science' to try to prove the existence of God aren't necessarily relevant ?

- the Bible is based on man's interpretation of the experience of God, science is based on man's interpretation of the experience of man.

- there will be instances where these interpretations coincide, but neither 'proves' or 'disproves' the other.

Science doesn't deal in 'facts' any more than religion does, especially as was previously pointed out when quantum theory is factored in - the uncertainty principle & theory of entanglement prevents such thinking, in my opinion.

One 'fact' is immutable - we are here - we think, we breathe, we fornicate - getting too bogged down in explaining 'how' that happened could spoil the fun of it - whatever anyone believes, that won't change as far as I'm concerned. :shrug:

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I'm quoting Russ B's PROOF that dinosaurs existed. Apparently one day before man.:dunce:

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I think Russ and some of us are also waiting to see the maker of straw men provide an answer to Russ.

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Now you see, again you're putting words in my mouth and changing what I said to suit your increasingly weakening argument.

Just so you don't miss it for a 4th time, I'll post this in bold.

What I was asked for, and what I posted was proof that dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible.

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In fairness, the 'evidence' on that page is pretty ropey though :) :angel:

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There's not much to go on seeing as the word 'dinosaur' wasn't invented until the 1800s but reading the description of the creatures, it's nothing like any animal that's around today.

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True, but elephants, and mythical animals like dragons fit the bill equally well. That's not to say it's not possible it refers to dinosaurs, but it's a bit of a stretch (imo) to claim it must be dinosaurs.

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Elephants don't have tails that hang 'like a cedar'....

edit....unless they evolved! Evolution IS mentioned in the bible!! See?? ;) :D

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Perhaps the 'tail' was meant metaphorically. Have you ever seen an aroused elephant? :Yikes:

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I've actually never thought of putting that in Google. is it worse than an horse?

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The bible does mention great beasts . The 7 days are not literal 7 days in time as we know it its time in reference to God who is immortal.

Hypothetically speaking though. If there is a God and therefore Satan and Satan is trying to turn mankind away from God then what better trick than to plant the remains of animals in the earth to be descovered.

As I said before in different threads. The greatest trick Satan has performed is making us believe he does not exist

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Or maybe it was meant literally?

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Probably didn't even have one.

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See, that's the problem (imo). There probably are as many interpretations of the Bible as there are Christians. Some take the Bilble literally, some say it should be read in the context of the time. Some say the the earth is just a few thousand years old (and could claim those Dinosaur bones are the work of Satan), others may say that the Earth is far older, and humans evolved (according to God's plan/wishes). In fact, there's very little that is inconsistent with some reading of the Bible, which to some may be a great strength, but which also is a great weakness from a scientific point of view.

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I think 'probably' depends on which side of the fence you're on.

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That is my belief. a good way to test it is to do a sheet of say 20 extracts from the bible (ones that are not commonly known) and ask people to write what they think it means. the results would be varied interpretations. and would go some way to showing that some of it could have been interpreted/deciphered/translated wrong through the ages.

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Yes, that's fair enough. But on the subject of Evolution, I think it's fair enough to sat that interpretations differ? I know (well, that's my understanding anyway) that the Vatican endorses Evolution (I'm not sure how they reconcile this with Adam, Eve et al.), while many Protestants prefer a more literal interpretation?

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No you didn't .... you quoted an ambiguous website which contained laughable so called evidence. Comparing a beetle to a fire breathing leviathan is a tad sad and scraping the bottom of the barrel. :rolleyes:

There's a HUGE difference from a beetle squirting a chemical out its bum to A FIRE BREATHING LEVIATHAN!:LOL:

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Tomorrows discussion will be 'Noah and the ark'.

Begin.

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Was the boat big enough to store all the food. as well as being big enough to carry all the animals?

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Ah ... no .... but Russ B and his pedalow will beg to differ.

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For the alleged voice of reason, you don't seem very reasonable. ;)

It would appear you are much more dogmatic and aggressive than most others posting on this thread, which is surprising, because most atheists/agnostics I know pride themselves on their "live and let live" attitude (neither side tries to "convert" people of different views).

Have a nice day. :)

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Really? Let me point it out for you seeing as you have such a bad memory....

From this post...

I replied 'yes it does'.

The response to that was this. ("link please")

I then linked to a site (http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml) which I thought would be better than quoting directly from the bible.

So, just prove to you (yet again) that dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible, these are the direct passages..... Job 40:15-18 if you can be bothered to look for yourself..

So yes, I have proven to you that going on that description, dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible.

"But Russ, the words 'dinosaur' itself isn't actually mentioned LOL so the Bible must be fake LOL"

Well that's because the word 'dinosaur' wasn't invented until the 1800 but going on that description it matches many dinosaurs and no known creature of today.

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If anything I'd say it's the other way around. Catholics tend to be more traditionalist. I don't know what the Vatican's stance is on evolution (it only speaks for Catholicism, it has nothing to do with the rest of us) but none of the Christians I know have much of a problem with evolution.

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I suppose we all have our own definition of what's reasonable.

I have found (for some reason) on this forum that the atheists can be as bad as the religious people in dealing with people who's beliefs differ from theirs. Not saying that all the members are like this, or that any particular member is.

There are people on both sides like that. Take, for instance, the recent ads. The Atheist add said there *probably* isn't a God, so we should all enjoy our lives. A nice message that leaves open the possibility that they are wrong. One church's response? To say that God does exist (which I would expect) and everyone who believes otherwise is a fool, thus insulting anyone who believes different from them.

I personally don't believe God exists, but am willing to be proved wrong. I also respect people's right to believe otherwise.

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The vatican's view

Am I right in thinking that Protestants tend to take the Bible more literally than Catholics though?

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That's being a bit simplistic but generally yes. It's not like we campaign for gays to be stoned to death or anything though. The general reason for the split between Catholics and Protestants was due to how Catholicism tends to change "the rules" (for lack of a better word) to suit itself. It has a lot of doctrine that is simply not compatible with scripture regardless of interpretation.

So in that respect we tend to follow what is written in the Bible a bit more.

Time is short for me this morning so what I've written in the post are broad generalisations but it gives you a basic idea.

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:clap::clap::clap:

Absolutely agree with you - live and let live, believe or not believe, have faith or don't have faith, up to the individual; those on either side of the debate who don't think that way are equally wrong-headed (imho).

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Yes, but...

I can think of many wars fought in the name of religion, but none in the name of "atheism". That really is the problem with organised religion - it can become an exclusive "club", and those in charge can lead the members to commit evil acts against those in another "club". A bit like gang warfare, I suppose.

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As has been stated many, many times in the thread before, were they religious wars, or were they territorial/economic wars dressed up with religion as the driver?

btw, WW1 16 million dead; WW2 60 million dead, Vietnam War 6 million, - don't remember religion having much to do with those?

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The latter I expect - but can you quote an example where "atheism" was the driver?

I don't remember two of those at all. ;)

However. I do recall reading about the padres "blessing" the troops before they went out to kill the enemy. Hardly a "live and let live" attitude, is it?

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Little bit of a straw man there, imho ;) since the term of Atheism originated in France in the mid 1500's.

To be fair, it was padres on both sides praying for their own soldiers well-being, they weren't saying "go out and kill the non-believers".

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The live and let live attitude should really apply to all the posters on this thread really!!

(Well most of them!)

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Modern wars are not the result of religion, but religion plays a major part. All you need to do is turn on the telly and see the carnage going on in Iraq and Afghanistan.

As for religion not starting ANY wars. What about the Crusades? They were bloody, barbaric battles in the name of Christianity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

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Actually they started because the Seljuk Turks were expanding and threatening Byzantine Constantinople, who incidentally had been excommunicated by Rome, had it been about Religion they wouldn't have bothered helping them. Just because people happen to be of different religions it doesn't automatically follow that any wars that occur are religion based, sure the crusades went on longer and were bloodier that they should have been but as usual there cause was land and greed.

Why don't you bring up the Spanish Inquisition next?

I have just read your article and it basically says what I did, don't you bother reading the links you provide?

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Even when presented with the facts, the godbots continue to mock and deny them.:rolleyes:

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Hey ... I booked today for discussing the Ark.

Dismissing the fact that there isn't enough water in the world for the flood to have happened, lets have a look at the feasibility of the ark.

Using the current figures of alive species, which will be roughly the same.

Mammals 5,416
Birds 9,956
Reptiles 8,240

Roughly 23612 x 2 as 2 of each = 47224 Vertebrates

Insects 950,000 times 2 of each = 1'900'000.

In total 1947224 animals allegedly on the arc.

The logistics of collecting all the animals is impossible let along building a wooden boat that could house them all.:doh:

Nice story for children though ... I remember being read told it in Sunday School.

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The animals went in two by two, Hurrah! Hurrah!

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:rofl:

For your viewing pleasure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_I-ZDv9IMA

18 days later "The animals went in 9244 by 9244 hurrah hurrah". :rofl:

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Tell me, what is your sole purpose of taking part in this thread?

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For fairly putting across the views of the atheist that God doesn't exist, using common sense, facts, science, and logic.

Yourself?

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But why?

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Firstly, I am not a believer in one almighty deity, but neither would I call myself an atheist. As I view mouth foaming atheists with the same distain as I do religious zealots.

The sentence above however does make me laugh though.

Neither you, I or anyone else can disprove the existence of an almighty superbeing in the same way that it can't be proven that one exists.

To try to do so is a complete waste of time, as this thread is testament to.

I'll keep my options open for now, you see I am a believer of evolution. Arguing ID and creationism "at this level" are IMO just plain silly and to say otherwise exposes you as not being rational.

However, can I say that some superbeing did not create the universe and the rules therein? no I can't.

It is a perfectly arguable point of view that a superbeing created the universe and the laws within that universe thereby creating the very science, facts and logic you are using to disprove the beings very existence.

Therefore for a happy and healthy life, don't worry about it.

Now there are many other discussion points in regards to the pro's and con's of "religion" but that is not what the title of the thread is about.

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Strange, you seem to be doing it by vituperation, denigration, and mocking......... ;)

And you always seem to avoid the point that lots of posts (both atheist and non-atheist) have put - you are insisting on measuring something metaphysical by physical means.

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For classification..

God intructed Noah to take seven of each clean animal, and two of each unclean animal on to the ark (Genisis 7, verses 2 3 8 9)

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Nice word! :)

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Because for days you've been quoting implausible passages from the Bible at us and we were responding with fact, logic, and science.

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You've just ruined my song. :(

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Ive learnt a new word today now, had to google it.

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drz, were you frightened by a vicar/priest/mullah/rabbi as a small child?

You seem to be very confrontational and agressive on this matter.

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No. Firstly I don't know who this "we" is, secondly I haven't been quoting passages from the bible - I did it once in direct answer to a question put to me by an atheist. You see when I was asked where something in particular was mentioned in the Bible, I wouldn't have been able to answer had I not quoted from it.

So again. 'why'. What's your motivation?

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How do I sing it now then? :)

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Perhaps its a bad personality trait?

Personally I have to work on The fruits of the spirit daily!
Galations 5 verse 22-23. The fruitage of the spirit is, love, joy, peace, long suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self control.

Mildness is where I miss the mark often!

Long suffering is what this thread now is!;)

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Refuting bible passages with "science, fact and logic" is hardly difficult. You might as well refute passages from Harry Potter with the same.

However, as a matter of historical record there are items in the bible that could be linked to actual events.

The ark for example. I note that you refute it by saying that there could not be enough water in the world or a wooden boat big enough.

But you have to remember that back when the old testament was written the size of the world wasn't known and the great flood was probably a local event. It's pretty much accepted that the flood centered around the black sea and the Bosporus

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/bl.../ax/frame.html

Also how the parting of the Red Sea could be attributed to the massive volcanic eruption on Santorini

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/786902/posts

Santorini also being the accepted home of the Atlantis legend.

If you want to use science and logic then don't dismiss or belittle, but believe that many of the events in the bible probably happened, inexplicable in their day they have been attributed to a higher power and embelished over the millienia.

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You try explaining that to the brainwashed godbots! You put facts and figures based on the impossibility of it all and they just mock you as an idiot and question your education and they have the audacity to mock Scientology as a CULT and go on believing in their mythical hocus-pocus.

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Rather than insult me how about you answer my question?

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Shame on you DRZ.

Not been called a Godbot before, lots of other things mind, I will put that on my list of mildly offensive terms to call people who have a faith in God!
(My favourite is Godbotherer, my kids call me that at times!)

No one brainwashed me, I was a mature and so called educated lady when I got my faith and personal belief in God.

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Mandatum novum do vobis :hugs:

I hope you find peace and tranquility in your search for your truth.

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Because he's getting out on you what he wanted to with his parents but wasn't brave enough.
Phone mummy & daddy, get it all off your chest and then have a nice big cry ;)

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Religion is meant to be bread for daily life, not cake for special occassions.

Just found that quote, I liked it.

Goodnight and God bless folks ;):)

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Which reminds me of this church I used to go past, which had a big sign saying 'I am the bread of life'. The 'I' was somewhat ornate, and I kept reading 'Jam the bread of life'. It seemed an interesting philosophical concept...

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St. Peter has totally put a red X next to your name now! Oh, to see your face if you're wrong and Russ is right....

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I have chosen to ignore many previous insulting posts from you and your minions questioning my education and mental ability as the thread descending into a personal argument will do no one any good.

In reality you have answered valid questions, with myths and childrens stories. Not ONE plausible answer. My most memorable, that'll live with me to my grave is 'Man and Dinosaurs' living one day apart. Genius.

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There is no God. Just gullible humans.

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Do I smell a double handle? :erm:

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So what is your motivation for posting in this thread?

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A double handle?

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If I am wrong I'll apologise and say sorry as God is all forgiving, but if Russ is wrong, he'll look very silly indeed.

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To answer the unfounded preaching by yourself and 3 others.:rolleyes:

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But why?

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I'd be interested to see the if there's any overlap in the IP addresses that you and a certain other Forum member are posting from.

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why would he look silly? what has he lost by believing on God?

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Same here, who is this other member you're thinking of?

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The thing is it doesn't really matter if Russ is wrong, in so much as he'll be dead and with no afterlife neither he or you will exist to question it anymore,:) so if your waiting for the final gloat, and your right, sadly you'll be robbed of your prize.:)

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someones after some greenies for that!! ;) a very well put notion.

oooooh - broke the 900 mark there! nice!