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My area must be switched over i have all the new channels, i have e4hd, scifiHD etc:confused: But no new card yet. I did say to him you'll need a new card. He has an samsung box, non v+ with a card and then the box plugged into it i think?

I did look for the dodgy box thread but couldn't find it after 3 pages.

I told him straight that he should pay for it like everyone else, he just thought it's very funny. Is it just coincidence that Wolverhampton switched over and his box went down temporarily?

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we,re on the new cards and got the new channnels but the chipped boxes in our area are still working. Is there something else still to happen which will scupper them.

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I hope it aint been hacked already!!:mad:

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I suppose until your area has become NGTV, no new cards are sent out. In my case there was a good month gap between my area Luton became NGTV and me receiving my new card.

Going on this logic, unfortunately same of the pirates still have a few months left to watch, as there is still 50% of the network not on NGTV :(

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Remember this N3 system has been in us on the Euro sats for a couple of years and it's withheld upto any hacking attempt.. The new channels are not an indication of them going totally to the new system, if they had then anyone without a new card would NOT get any service

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1. Area Switches to NGTV

2. New cards are sent out to area

3. Once satisfied that everyone in that area has a new card for their legit boxes old encryption is switched off

4. Dodgy boxes in that area become door stops

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Yes.

After the new cards are sent out they'll turn off the old encryption which will stop the boxes.

There's a period where both the old and new encryption run side by side, and during this time both the new cards, old cards, and dodgy boxes will all work. Once they start turning the old encryption off though (and they do it in phases taking out sets of channels at a time) then both the old cards and the dodgy boxes will cease to work.

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May i just say again that N3 is unhacked anywhere in the world at this time. Using a card to circumnavigate the encryption is not a viable option with N3. :D

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Yes VM will ensure All Customers are on new cards then turn off the N1 encryption and then its door stop time for the dodgy boxes in that area.

And finaly a quote from a well known hacking site by one of there mods

So i take it the mods on that forum are ****ed with all the How can i get my box working posts :LOL:

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That is quite impressive to have an encryption that hasn't been hacked after a few years, didn'ty the studios spend millions on Blu ray security and that was defeated in just days?

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The spotty guy at the car boot sale that sells boxes with software on a disk will hack it in no time, hopefully spotty guy wont and we all get better service :D

Please tell me this includes knocking modems off, theres loads around here and they must be downloading NASA database :mad:

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One would hope so as they are a bigger threat to the network than a dodgy box ever was or will be.

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If it doesnt then I think a few phone calls are in order, the leeches are stealing mine and others bandwidth in the area, I dont mind being a grass when its me they are stealing from.

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:tu:

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Guys, what the number to call? Was looking for it the other day but couldn't find it and it's always handy to have..

Will probably update the very first post with it as well

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http://www.virginmedia.com/customers/tv-fraud.php

Who do I speak to if I have information about somebody selling fraudulent set-top boxes?
Call the Virgin Media fraud confidential hotline on 0800 096 7800

Should apply to any situation though including reporting people using them

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ThanX Ben

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Looking for an answer on this. Is the roll-out complete yet because Ive been seeing numerous dody boxes in Norwich still working. Is this the first signs of a crack or have they not been hit by Nagra 3 yet?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

No its not complete and no its not been cracked. Also you post on the forums where the hackers post with the same name as you use here so why not ask them.

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The answer will be in the smart card thread for the rollout details

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Wife tells me that somone she works with - normal quote "why whould i pay for something i can get for free?", has had thier box cease to work :D he is very miffed that all can see now are channels 1-5. Shame that :P

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There will be a lot of this going on...........

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What gets me is when I overhear them cursing Richard Branson for having had the nerve to have deprived them of their premium TV channels and how they are paying him back by going to Sky. I wish I had the nerve to discuss the issue with them but I'm a coward and they can run faster than me so there's no safe escape route. :D

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The good news Jo, is that new higher tier subs from previous "basic" accounts have been very good from what I hear.

We may have lost a few, but over-all it's going well.... VM have drawn a line in the sand with previous free-loaders, but they are very serious about any future theft.

:)

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So are you telling me that Virgin Media will be going after those that are now buying card sharing equipment? I hope so but not until they have all bought their new kit.

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:tu:

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Yes :)

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;)

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That is excellent news. Can't wait to see the faces of those on the other fora where such things are discussed.

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me too :)

I'd expect the first cases to be made high profile and made an example of ;)

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I still say...castration...never seen anyone not stop and think..when that is the punishment

:D

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Good idea :p: ;) :D

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No all the idiots just say balls to that i'm going to carry on.:D

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They are soooo idiots; I hope they all get jailed; they deserve it...But I still don't get why cable and modem frauders can get up to 5 years in jail and some murderers only get like 4 years? (no offence)

And virgin need to do better; detect everyone...

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The irony is all the more delicious for the fact that it has gone right over your head.

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What the hell do you mean?..And who are the irony anyway?

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Do you think I want one man? Cuz I'm not an idiot...Only you think I am one...

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The people who do the ironing of course!

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lol dude do you mean the people might tracing me and thinking I want one? Cuz I don't..

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No... I'm just joking :jk:

:)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony

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I take stuff literally...and remember my age...lol...I'm not a chav... :P

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And why do people say that people who download illegally are idiots? It's a hell lot easier than going over other sites...lol

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And loads of people do it so you wouldn't be caught...

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The problem is if nobody pays, then there is no programme/band or artist/channel etc.

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irony..along with steely and goldy...your basic metals :D

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Why would anyone if prices r so high? lol

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Prices are higher because of theft. Theres no difference in that and shoplifting and I'm sure you don't do that now? :shocked:

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Guys and Girls i just had to post this i have just found this on another forum.

This has to be the most stupid person i have seen post on there forum in months :LOL:

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how about the person that brought his old card :D

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I'll neeevvvveeerrrr change my mind until I get warned properly :P

It's sooo occasional anyway lol and not criminal

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No course I dont

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OK you do realise that the money paid to the people who produce music,films,books and artwork are selling on behalf of the musicians,actors,film workers,writers and artists? That the money they makes is divided up into different pots and one of those pots are the Musicians,writers,actors etc?

Now why should any musician carry on and produce music if someone like you isn't prepared to pay him for his talent.They can't work for nothing,no one can.If you don't buy but just download for nothing you are literally stealing from that musician.

Now is that fair?Is it right?

Put yourself in their place and think how you would feel.

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NO but WON'T AFFECT ME DUH

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Come on now... I know you are about 13, but you must see if everyone stops paying, then there will be no product?

And some manners please :nono:

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one person don't make big difference 1,250 pounds? lol that's all!

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Know someone who saved £20,000 doing that lol

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I thought you said everyone was doing it, so that means millions on these £1,250's :dozey:

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duhhh

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but me...do you think id get in troubel dude?

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just advice please ...no insults..?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

They will soon have a way of watching anyone who is file sharing, It's what they intend to do with that information that worries some.

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Companies yeah arrrrgghhhh ill rush this year

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Ok...gettin off topic now...

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which shows how little you know about the subject of this thread in relation to illegal downloading - look up deep packet inspection on google to get some idea of what is possible ...

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Why do Virgin allow it to happen though? Surely this all comes from cable runs to properties that still send a signal down the line? Can they not just terminate it at their end so to speak?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

This is getting rather :notopic:

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Sadly you have now disappointed me..I thought you were smarter than that.

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That would be fine if it was just the TV that ran on the cable. However it's shared with the broadband

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Yeah well the sooner they crack down on illegal p2p the better..just like the free tv people the p2p downloaders are what way would you describe it "****"

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it has actually been shown that those that download illegally actually en masse spend more on actual product then those that don't.

presumably because the vast majority use it like browsing - hear something they like and then want to own the actual release.

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... which was a great self-righteous excuse for their thievery until the advent of services like Spotify. ;)

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:blush:

:D

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You can not be seriousssssss !

Sorry..had to get that out :D

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Well according to another site those in Bristol stealing service have now had there screens go dark :)

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Now that is good to hear.;)

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Just had a friend of a friend on the phone crying about his box going down in liverpool, I said thats your own fault you should have paid like everyone else. I said to him you now have 2 choices pay Nothing and get nothing or Pay like the rest of us and get your channels. :)

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lol that makes me laugh :)))))) thats his fault...yh totally agree :P

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Now that is even better to hear as it means that the local thieves have lost their free television.https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/11/13.gifhttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/04/8.gif

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now why would a friend of a friend who had a dodgy box call you???that doesnt make scense if you are so against dodgy boxes :rolleyes: how would this Scenario happen?why would your 1st friend give HIS friend your number if your against thieves?and what is his fault?that his encrypted channels went off?it is Kudelskis fault not his :rolleyes:,if i was recieving pay channels for 7 or 8 years for nothing and they went off and i had to pay and if i asked someone like yourself why did they go off and you said its my fault i would say noooo its my dodgy boxes fault as it doesnt work no more lol.what a strange statement

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its a simple statement of fact.

there is a tiny minority who download this stuff to sell at markets etc. but the overwhelming majority who are net savvy want the releases as early as possible i.e. leaked and to watch TV premieres as soon as possible rather than wait 6 months for them to cross the Atlantic who will then go out and actually buy the box sets etc.

As always companies drag their heels when they should be embracing new technology.

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One person sharing files does not make a difference directly.

However, what happens is that one person shares it. Ten people download it, then share it. Ten people download from each of them (so we have 110 people sharing it now), and Ten people download from each of them. Now we have over 1,000 people sharing the original file. A couple of steps down the line, we will have 100,000. A couple of further steps and we could be up to 1 million.

1 person sharing a file will not directly make a difference. A few steps down the line, when thousands of people are sharing the file (and this is how Bit torrent works by default: You share everything you download), companies start going bankrupt and all of a sudden all those singers, songwriters, actors etc are losing money. A lot of money.


That's £20,000 thats not going to bands and singers who may need it..

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

That's an argument for another thread...

In the end though if you use your internet connection for copyright infringement they can find out and they can take action based on their own Terms and conditions in your contract.

Now lets get back on topic please which is Dodgy Boxes (i.e.. using modified or non-standard equipment to get services that has not been paid for)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I've had two colleagues (and my mum i'm ashamed to say!) complaining their boxes are no longer working. I wonder how long it will be before VM and Sky are reporting record profits :D

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A question people could ask themselves is why Virgin/Ntl etc left the network unsecured for so long?

Could it be that they were getting subs to phone and internet and the illegal boxes were actually costing sky money?

Another advantage was these boxes had was they were actually better quality and were updated more often than the official set top boxes.

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Or could it be it is because Virgin (and NTL before them) are a conglomeration of smaller Cable companies, which came together due to the industry consolidation of the 90's and 00's, and it takes time to standardise everything?

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Plus it's very expensive to change encryption systems / card swaps etc.

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He did it to wind his friend up. He never told him who i work for or what it is i do.

He told him i might have an answer for his problem.:LOL:

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So now all these dodgy boxes are going down would you think there will be an uptake of proper VM TV, if so would that mean VM would reduce their price.
Or do you think they would now go to Sky or BT as the dodgy boxes was just used on the line while they used phone line and broadband.
So if more leave VM would price's go up.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Without going in to too much detail... subscriber growth is healthy in areas where dodgy boxes are getting bricked ;)

Prices aren't going to come down, but more subscribers means more revenue, more revenue means they can invest more in the network, channels, VOD and customer experience, plus better hardware.

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That's good to hear. As a result of the 'amnesty' on dodgy box owners, results have been good.

I hope, however, that there will be no further amnesty for those that are now choosing card sharing to defraud Virgin Media and that Virgin Media will pursue these people ruthlessly.

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Fully agree with you other wise they have wasted a hell of a lot of money in doing this last card swap

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I've just read through this thread, well about 20 pages of it, this might be a stupid question but why are you all (the vast majority of you, sorry to generalise this thread is a bit to long to read in its entirety) so against people having hacked boxes?

I pay full price for my 50MBps (well halfsies with my girlfriend) package but if someone can get it for free and can get away with it I dont really care, id never call Virgin to report them, no one likes a snitch :td:

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Then your attitude says it all. You are condoning illegal activity. Stealing is stealing.

Those that have a conscience don't steal or break the law and hence are unhappy at those that do so without any remorse.

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Im not condoning anything im just playing devils advocate to see whats got you guys all riled up. It seems to me its more a question of, "If I have to pay for it why shouldn't then" rather than some moral high ground.

This is a company with a revenue of $16.5 billion in (2008) im sure they can handle a little loss.

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But why should they handle a little loss because some thieving git decided he is not willing to pay for something he should pay for. ????

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If you have read this thread then surely you will have seen numerous mentions of the illegal boxes causing noise and interference on the network plus they are obtaining their services illegally and that is reason enough for anyone to be happy that these *******s are now losing their freebies.

Also why shouldan y company have to suffer a loss to enable *******s a free ride.

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Hasn't it been said before that if one steals then they make a loss of say £30... if 10,000 steals then its £300,000.... etc etc... i hate thieves. if it gives me a better service then i like it... get rid of the thieves.

from a loyal XL customer since 1998... (yes i had analogue back then!)

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:clap: totally agree there, it though is normal for those with an inclination to steal to have the "Why should I pay for it when I can get it for nothing" attitude..

The bottom line is that it is illegal and is counted as theft to bypass subscription protection without payment

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agree...too many think it is victimless crime..no such thing..someone always pays

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I know I'm stating the obvious here but some people seem to overlook it.

The cost for VM to have to secure against the thieving **** is paid for by you and I through our subscriptions. Nagra 3 doesn't come free or even cheap.;)

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Personally, I'm sick of the "The world owes me" attitude. And stealing is stealing, you aren't honourable just because you don't get caught

Those who are happy to steal cable, probably also think that lifting something out of my wallet is ok..as long as they are not caught

If a company used questionable tactics doing business, I wouldn't like that either..it is the attitude of some who I dislike

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Plus the fact that the smug gits often like to rub our noses in it because we're "fools who pay for services that they're getting for free". It's always nice to see them taken down a peg or two. :)

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Agreed :)

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It is quite funny tho that Virgin is now more secure than Sky.Its all about cs Sky now,now that this cat is out of the bag people who were into cable boxes are getting into cs sky.loads of bars in the uk are now showing sat 3pm through buying (grey/legit) yearly itilian/german subscriptions and others are obviously cs those.

How do members on here who are 100% bonafida legit feel about not being able to watch sat footy at 3pm?
would you think about going semi legit by purchasing a sky itilia card and box?

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nope..never considered it

My 3pm..is watching sky sports panel

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I too have been a customer since about 1998 back in the analogue days on Cable & Wireless. Happy days!

As we were pretty much all capable of having TV service without paying for it but chose not to, the situation could be that VM would have only been making revenue from about 80% of those taking the service (allowing for those who take a basic package but steal the rest) and so by now there would be no service at all. I, for one, would have a problem with that. If VM were to have a write-off policy for 10% of service being illegally obtained then soon enough it would be 80% or more and the business would become untenable.

As Masque pointed out, some of these unscrupulous installations cause interference on the network and, hence, potential loss of service to genuine customers. I've seen a real humdinger of a DIY cabling job here in Aylesbury and I reported it.

The fact that VM have to invest in protecting themselves and their customers from this kind of theft is a crime in itself.

I remember when a baggage handler was caught on CCTV stealing from passengers' luggage at Gatwick the union threatened industrial action for him being fired stating that it was a perk of the job. In my view, any union member supporting that stance should also be liable to termination. They are in a position of trust and if they can't be trusted they should have that position taken away. Sadly, if you do a search for this kind of thing, you'll see it is still going on at UK airports as well as in other countries. Cleaners in Luton have been caught doing the same.

My point is that the crime is bad enough but trying to defend it or just turn a blind eye to it is as bad.

From Morality on Wikipedia: Immorality is the active opposition to morality, while amorality is variously defined as an unawareness of, indifference toward, or disbelief in any set of moral standards or principles