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1andrew1 21-03-2025 21:22
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36193154)
Not so sure he's got a grip on things now.
We know who's got a grip on Trump, though!

Pierre 21-03-2025 21:47
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36193138)
It seems quite odd to not do something you wanted to do because of who a country elected. The majority of people either stayed on the couch or voted for Kamala. Life is short.
The TDS is very strong with some on here.

Making decisions, as is if they matter in any way?

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36193139)
Life is about choices - I choose not to visit somewhere where I may get ICEd or sent back to the U.K. because I have made social media posts which are less than complimentary to the current incumbent.

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2025/03/7.gif

We visited the USA four times during Trump’s previous Presidency (mixture of road trips (California, Massachusetts/Cape Cod, & Florida) and visiting bro-in-law in New England) - the risk/reward ratio was different then.

Like you matter …….at all……….that’s an ego!

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36193141)
Smart money is on him getting his third term if not directly then by proxy. The start of a dynasty :confused:
He’s not getting a 3rd term……….that’s it.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36193154)
Not so sure he's got a grip on things now.
It’s not the U.K., they have rules over there.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36193155)
We know who's got a grip on Trump, though!
Who?

Hugh 21-03-2025 22:53
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
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Like you matter …….at all……….that’s an ego!
Not an ego, just learning from what’s happened to others, and mitigating risk…

And you’re right, it’s just all about me…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1742609029

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ntist-detained

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A French scientist was denied entry to the US this month after immigration officers at an airport searched his phone and found messages in which he had expressed criticism of the Trump administration, said a French minister.
As Chris said

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It is because there is a small, but non-zero chance of being messed about with at immigration, for reasons directly connected with Trump and his policies. And the number of stories like this is mounting up on a weekly basis at the moment. I choose not to deal with that possibility.
DHS was bad enough before being given carte blanche by the current Administration…

Gavin78 22-03-2025 00:13
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I see it that Trump only wanted to be president to shave off the crimes he's committed.

Nobody thought for one minute he would get the job again so they all bad mouthed him. Lots of countries did and the only ones that didn't were the likes of Russia. Now Trump seems to be on a rampage to get all these countries back.

The one country he hasn't bothered with is Russia so there we have it

Damien 22-03-2025 08:47
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36193138)
It seems quite odd to not do something you wanted to do because of who a country elected. The majority of people either stayed on the couch or voted for Kamala. Life is short.
I along with others were planning to go to the World Cup as well but am reconsidering because there are now several examples of immigration messing people around. European citizens were detained for small technicalities or even critical social media posts from Trump. I can hardly say I've not been critical of him, can I?

ianch99 22-03-2025 10:42
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Some more examples on tourists getting locked up at the border:

Weekslong lockups of tourists at U.S. borders spark fears of travelling to America

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SAN DIEGO — Lennon Tyler and her German fiancé often took road trips to Mexico when he vacationed in the United States since it was only a day’s drive from her home in Las Vegas, one of the perks of their long-distance relationship.

But things went terribly wrong when they drove back from Tijuana last month.

U.S. border agents handcuffed Tyler, a U.S. citizen, and chained her to a bench, while her fiancé, Lucas Sielaff, was accused of violating the rules of his 90-day U.S. tourist permit, the couple said. Authorities later handcuffed and shackled Sielaff and sent him to a crowded U.S. immigration detention centre. He spent 16 days locked up before being allowed to fly home to Germany.

Since U.S. President Donald Trump took office, there have been other incidents of tourists like Sielaff being stopped at U.S. border crossings and held for weeks at U.S. immigration detention facilities before being allowed to fly home at their own expense.

They include another German tourist who was stopped at the Tijuana crossing on Jan. 25. Jessica Brösche spent over six weeks locked up, including over a week in solitary confinement, a friend said.

On the Canadian border, a backpacker from Wales spent nearly three weeks at a detention centre before flying home this week. And a Canadian woman on a work visa detained at the Tijuana border spent 12 days in detention before returning home last weekend.

Sielaff, 25, and the others say it was never made clear why they were taken into custody even after they offered to go home voluntarily.

jfman 22-03-2025 10:57
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He (Sielaff) literally told them he was a US resident when he wasn't and is stunned immigration officials on the Mexican border got suspicious. :rofl:

Hugh 22-03-2025 11:05
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36193184)
He (Sielaff) literally told them he was a US resident when he wasn't and is stunned immigration officials on the Mexican border got suspicious. :rofl:
Not in the article quoted above…

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They returned Feb. 18, just 22 days into Sielaff’s 90-day tourist permit.

When they pulled up to the crossing, the U.S. border agent asked Sielaff aggressively, “Where are you going? Where do you live?” Tyler said.

“English is not Lucas' first language and so he said, ‘We’re going to Las Vegas,' and the agent says, ’Oh, we caught you. You live in Las Vegas. You can’t do that,‘” Tyler said.

Sielaff was taken away for more questioning. Tyler said she asked to go with him or if he could get a translator and was told to be quiet, then taken out of her car and handcuffed and chained to a bench. Her dog, recovering from surgery, was left in the car.

After four hours, Tyler was allowed to leave but said she was given no information about her fiancé’s whereabouts.

During questioning, Sielaff said he told authorities he never lived in the U.S. and had no criminal history. He said he was given a full-body search and ordered to hand over his cellphone and belongings. He was put in a holding cell where he slept on a bench for two days before being transferred to the Otay Mesa Detention Center in San Diego.

jfman 22-03-2025 11:11
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It is how the Guardian have reported it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...m-us-detention

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He was arrested at the border point at San Ysidro on 18 February. He had entered the US on a tourist visa and with his girlfriend, Lennon Tyler, had subsequently visited Mexico where they had taken her dog to the vet. According to Tyler, on their return to the US, Sielaff had incorrectly answered a question as to where he lived, due to his poor grasp of English. He had said Las Vegas, where he was staying with Tyler, his fiancee, when he should have said Germany, where he permanently resides, she said.
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Sielaff returned to Germany last week after spending two weeks in detention, after his entry permit was cancelled at the Mexican border, amid suspicions by the US authorities that he had remained in the US longer than he was allowed.
The nature of their relationship will no doubt have aroused suspicion. Similarly the other sob stories the Guardian report are tourists carrying tattoo equipment creating suspicion they are working.

If there's a lesson it's probably to stay away from Mexico, and don't use the land border. Especially if there's reasonable suspicion you are not, in fact, a tourist.

Hugh 22-03-2025 11:52
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2d4kex0w2ro

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President Donald Trump has rescinded an executive order targeting a prestigious international law firm after it promised to abandon diversity policies and provide $40m (£31m) worth of free legal work to support White House initiatives.

Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP is a multinational law firm headquartered in New York that has many high-profile clients.

Trump's 14 March order had terminated federal contracts with the firm and suspended security clearances for its lawyers, saying it was undermining the US judicial system.
The firm is now facing blowback from many in the legal community, including a top lawyer for Democrats, even as some lawyers said it had few other options.

Trump has issued similar executive orders against the law firms Perkins Coie and Covington & Burling.

The White House rescinded the order on Thursday after a meeting between Trump and Brad Karp, the chairman of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Garrison & Wharton.

In a post on Truth Social, the president said the firm had agreed to a series of concessions, including the promise to provide "the equivalent of $40 million in pro bono legal services over the course of President Trump's term to support the Administration's initiatives".

Itshim 22-03-2025 16:31
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
He’s not getting a 3rd term……….that’s it.

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Hope you are right , however local politicians , are not so sure. Yes we know the laws but that won't stop he having a go

1andrew1 22-03-2025 16:48
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36193159)
Who?
Putin. Probably more admiration than being an agent, but the outcomes are not dissimilar.
What this ex-MI6 head of its Russia Desk on Times Radio from I.49 has to say on the matter is interesting. He cites a property bought by a Russian from Trump in Florida at twice the market rate in 2008 when Trump was facing bankruptcy. Trump's son also stated that Russians made up a high proportion of investors in Trump's properties. There was also Trump's construction project in Moscow carried out secretly during the 2016 US elections.
https://youtu.be/f5NWwcgyNZk?si=fwhtfUGDxloJl1PO

Chris 22-03-2025 16:51
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36193199)
He’s not getting a 3rd term……….that’s it.

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Hope you are right , however local politicians , are not so sure. Yes we know the laws but that won't stop he having a go
But it’s not ‘the laws’ it’s the constitution. We’re not used to thinking in those terms because we don’t have a written constitution. Even if he stands for re-election, and even if he wins, and congress certifies the result, the supreme court justice who is responsible for administering the oath of office cannot, and will not, administer it to him in January 2029 because it is expressly forbidden. It isn’t even something that could be done and then challenged in the court later. It is a representative of the Supreme Court who does the actual swearing in.

And as the constitution automatically ends his second term exactly 4 years after it began, he can’t claim to still be the president in the absence of anyone else being sworn in. He just *stops* being president, and that’s it. For anyone to treat him as such afterwards would be a naked political coup which would require military backing. So unless you’re suggesting that’s where the US is heading … well, just accept it, he has 4 years to go and then that’s it.

papa smurf 22-03-2025 16:59
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36193201)
But it’s not ‘the laws’ it’s the constitution. We’re not used to thinking in those terms because we don’t have a written constitution. Even if he stands for re-election, and even if he wins, and congress certifies the result, the supreme court justice who is responsible for administering the oath of office cannot, and will not, administer it to him in January 2029 because it is expressly forbidden. It isn’t even something that could be done and then challenged in the court later. It is a representative of the Supreme Court who does the actual swearing in.

And as the constitution automatically ends his second term exactly 4 years after it began, he can’t claim to still be the president in the absence of anyone else being sworn in. He just *stops* being president, and that’s it. For anyone to treat him as such afterwards would be a naked political coup which would require military backing. So unless you’re suggesting that’s where the US is heading … well, just accept it, he has 4 years to go and then that’s it.

And then becomes Emperor ,I've seen this movie ;)

jfman 22-03-2025 17:30
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Is Trump beyond inventing, or creating, some crisis or other to prevent elections?
Someone has to hold executive power in that eventuality. Trump’s view would be that should be him.

Other countries have suspended their constitutions to extend the rule of a President beyond their initial term. Is there protection against this in the United States? What if that mechanism can’t meet safely?
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