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NATO allies to facilitate transfer of Soviet T-72 tanks to Ukraine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/u...s-ukraine.html

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36118035)

NATO allies to facilitate transfer of Soviet T-72 tanks to Ukraine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/u...s-ukraine.html

Added to the ones reclaimed by their farmers, Ukraine is going to have more serviceable tanks than the Russians …

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36117964)

Except, that would not be an excuse.

Sooner or later, Putin will have to give in and the longer he persists with this warped idea of taking over Ukraine, the more embarrassing that climb down will become.

I dare say that after the attack by Ukraine (if it was, in fact, by them) and with Putin’s overactive imagination, he may be thinking that Ukraine wants to take over Russia. Now there’s a thought.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36117952)

Reports that Ukraine may have made its first strike into Russian territory. Could be Russian propaganda though.

See 07.55 at https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-l...nobyl-12541713

And Russia is moaning that they have been attacked , priceless:shocked:

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36118038)

Added to the ones reclaimed by their farmers, Ukraine is going to have more serviceable tanks than the Russians …

They've captured more than tanks. Here's a list of documented equipment either destroyed, abandonded by Russinh troops or captured ny Ukrainian forces. It is updated daily although today they announced a backlog they are still working through (on twitter) since yesterday. This could be due to the evidence of more since the Russian retreat.

They also list Ukrainian losses in the same way.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...equipment.html

An interesting report from Forbes in Dec 2019 Re Ukrainian T64'a and Russian T64's and later models, T72's, T80's, etc.
Don't worry it's short.

Obviously from before the current situation.

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Ukraine’s Tanks Could Be Better Than Russia’s. It Might Not Matter.

The Russian army has massed around 1,200 tanks for a possible invasion of Ukraine. The tanks include the latest T-90s plus upgraded T-72s.

Across the border, the Ukrainian army has mobilized its own armor for a possible defensive campaign. Ukraine possesses some of the same tank models that Russia does, but Kiev’s best tank—an updated T-64—is uniquely Ukrainian.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...ht-not-matter/

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In Soviet doctrine, which the Russian and Ukrainian armies both follow, tanks rarely fight tanks. But if and when Russia overtly invades Ukraine and sharply escalates the seven-year, frozen conflict in eastern Ukraine, tanks on both sides will play key roles in offense and defense, helping to shape the battlefield so that the decisive force—artillery—can do its terrible work.

Russia ,sort of, admits genocide via official news agency. Here's a snippet but if you really care it is a long one but lays it all out.

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RIA NOVOSTI has clarified Russia’s plans vis-à-vis Ukraine and the rest of the free world in a program like article: What Russia should do with Ukraine?

Back in April last year, we wrote about the inevitability of the denazification of Ukraine. We do not need Nazi (read Ukrainian), Bandera type of Ukraine (read Ukrainian), as the enemy of Russia and the West’s tool for the destruction of Russia. Today, the issue of denazification has moved into a practical landscape.

Denazification is necessary when a significant part of the people – most likely the majority – has been mastered and drawn into the Nazi policy in its politics. That is, when the hypothesis “the people are good – the government is bad” does not work. Recognition of this fact is the basis of the policy of denazification, of all its measures, and the fact itself is its subject matter.

Ukraine is in just such a situation. The fact that the Ukrainian voter voted for the “peace of Poroshenko” and “peace of Zelensky” should not be misleading – the Ukrainians were quite satisfied with the shortest path to peace through the blitzkrieg, which the last two Ukrainian presidents transparently hinted at when they were elected. It was this method of “appeasement” of internal anti-fascists – through total terror – that was used in Odessa, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Mariupol, and other Russian cities. And this quite suited the common Ukrainian. Denazification is a set of measures in relation to the nazified population mass, which technically cannot be subjected to direct punishment as war criminals.

https://ccl.org.ua/en/news/ria-novos...ith-ukraine-2/

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The war crimes by Russian troops reported on todays news made me feel physically sick.

Calling them animals was an insult to the animal kingdom though.

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Came across this video on an assessment of Russian Military in Ukraine, very interesting. Remember he did this only 7 days in to the conflict ..

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Irish fuel companies refuse to sell Russian embassy in Dublin fuel.

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Russian Embassy urges Irish government to intervene as it faces fuel shortage with companies refusing to deliver supplies

In a letter seen by the Irish Mirror, the Russians – ironically one of the world’s biggest oil exporters before the Ukraine invasion – have requested Foreign Affairs “intervenes into this clearly discriminatory case”.

A source said: “The embassy is struggling because no one wants to do business with them as a result of what’s happening in Ukraine. It’s not only some oil companies they’re having issues with, it’s banks too and many more businesses.”

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/iris...nment-26635546

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BREAKING: US Secretary of State Antony Blinken slams 'deliberate campaign to kill, to torture, to rape' in Bucha, Ukraine joins allies demands in removing Russia from United Nations Human Rights Council. - AFP News Agency.

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NATO Chief: Jen Stoltenberg - Russia is refocusing efforts on taking Donbas

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Kremlin calls U.S President Joe Biden's "War criminal" comment against Vladimir Putin totally unacceptable and unworthy.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36118180)

Why is anyone surprised, they've always been an army of rapists, 2 million German women and girls were raped by them, some really unfortunates up to 60 or 70 times, they're **** and always have been and be in no doubt this wouldn't have happened if they'd had a quick victory or else did they have kill lists?

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...-loss-of-su-35

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Russia has lost its first Sukhoi Su-35 ‘Flanker-E' multirole fighter on combat operations over Ukraine, imagery posted online on 3 April reveal.

The premier operational combat aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) reportedly came down in the Kharkiv region of eastern Ukraine, near the town of Izyum.

At $65 million a pop, that’s got to smart…

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The US Senate has unanimously passed a law designed to make it easier for Biden to send military aid to Ukraine. The symbolism of calling it the “Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act” shouldn’t go unnoticed.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...lease-00023668

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The Senate unanimously passed major legislation late Wednesday to revive a World War II-era program allowing President Joe Biden to more efficiently send weapons and other supplies to Ukraine amid Russia’s bloody invasion.

Senators quickly rallied behind the proposal, known as Lend-Lease, as Ukraine’s military proved it could fend off Russian troops who have been shelling Ukrainian cities and towns since late February. The Lend-Lease program created during World War II was seen as a game-changer in the conflict, as it allowed the U.S. to quickly resupply the Allies without time-consuming procedural hurdles.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36118378)

Yes, I wonder what elese they will be supplying bestsides what they have up to now?

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Blinken: for every Russian tank Ukraine has 10 anti-tank systems.

During an interview with NBC, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said the U.S. and its allies have provided or will soon provide Ukraine with “10 anti-tank systems for every single Russian tank.”

Blinken also said that while it may take time, there is “no scenario” in which Ukraine does not win.

Kyiv Independent

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Washington:

Ukrainian soldiers are being trained in the United States to operate the deadly Switchblade drones that Washington is supplying to Kyiv, a Pentagon official said Wednesday.

Defense Department spokesman John Kirby said it was a "very small" number of Ukrainian troops who were already present in the US before Russia invaded their country.

"We took the opportunity, having them still in the country, to give them a couple of days' worth of training on the Switchblades, so they can go back... to train others in the Ukrainian military," according to Kirby.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pent...-in-us-2867567

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One wonders if China will start supplying Russia in part of a deal concerning cheaper Gas ;)

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Well I'm shocked, I've just watched his speach and actually agree with Guy Verhofstadt.

https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/s...67812137377804

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36118389)

Well I'm shocked, I've just watched his speach and actually agree with Guy Verhofstadt.

https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/s...67812137377804

It must be contagious … I found myself agreeing with Mario Draghi this morning (talking about potential energy shortages, he gave a speech in which he asked whether people wanted air con or peace in Europe).