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papa smurf 23-08-2019 17:45
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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36007181)
I agree with the highlighted bit. Fruit picking and care home recruitment for example is already massively affected by the looming Brexit threat. Brits just don't want these jobs. And likewise UK back packers won't be able to supplement their travels abroad with seasonal work.
That's down to the government ie if people won't work then they should not get benefits, no one said work was supposed to be fun or enjoyable it's just a means of providing for you and your's ,as for backpackers -tough.

1andrew1 23-08-2019 19:20
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If you have the skills they need then i don't see a problem,the same way i don't see a problem with EU citizens with skills working here,it's the no skill required jobs that will present a problem , all countries have an abundance of none skilled people of their own that need employing.
What's Germany's current policy to non-EU economic migrants? I assume this would come into effect if we leave with no deal.

papa smurf 23-08-2019 19:54
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What's Germany's current policy to non-EU economic migrants? I assume this would come into effect if we leave with no deal.
Well if they don't want you look elswhere.;)

Chris 23-08-2019 20:26
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36007190)
That's down to the government ie if people won't work then they should not get benefits, no one said work was supposed to be fun or enjoyable it's just a means of providing for you and your's ,as for backpackers -tough.
Yeah, I’ve been trying really hard to give a smeg about how easy or hard it is for Tarquin and Fenella to gig their way round Europe during their gap-yah. I mean reeeeeealy hard. No luck so far.

daveeb 23-08-2019 20:52
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Yeah, I’ve been trying really hard to give a smeg about how easy or hard it is for Tarquin and Fenella to gig their way round Europe during their gap-yah. I mean reeeeeealy hard. No luck so far.
It's not just Hugo and Cressida who like to go abroad. Daz, Baz and Laz like to go as well. :)

Chris 23-08-2019 20:59
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It's not just Hugo and Cressida who like to go abroad. Daz, Baz and Laz like to go as well. :)
In which case we’re doing Europe a favour by making it harder for them...

nomadking 23-08-2019 21:49
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Germany has long brought in workers from outside the EU.

Australia has a system for attracting seasonal workers.

How did the UK manage before those from Eastern Europe were allowed in?


The UK has attracted many more EU medical staff than Germany. They want to come here.

Hugh 23-08-2019 22:45
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36007213)
Germany has long brought in workers from outside the EU.

Australia has a system for attracting seasonal workers.

How did the UK manage before those from Eastern Europe were allowed in?


The UK has attracted many more EU medical staff than Germany. They want to come here.
My son spent 2 years in Oz on a working tourist visa - what attracted him (and a lot of the people he "travelled" with) was the opportunity to visit Nepal, India, and Bali on the way to Oz, the consistently good weather, the opportunity to visit the Gold Coast / Barrier Reef with a quick flight, and a huge land to explore where everyone spoke the same (mostly) language as him.

Not sure GB can offer that to seasonal workers... ;)

nomadking 23-08-2019 23:54
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36007218)
My son spent 2 years in Oz on a working tourist visa - what attracted him (and a lot of the people he "travelled" with) was the opportunity to visit Nepal, India, and Bali on the way to Oz, the consistently good weather, the opportunity to visit the Gold Coast / Barrier Reef with a quick flight, and a huge land to explore where everyone spoke the same (mostly) language as him.

Not sure GB can offer that to seasonal workers... ;)
So we don't attract seasonal workers at the moment?
Link

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She is among 30 workers from non-EU countries who recently started at Cornish farm Riviera Produce as part of a Home Office trial.
In total, 2,500 people from Ukraine, Moldova and Russia have been recruited for seasonal work on farms from the South of England to Scotland.

...
"People in the Ukraine are hoping they'll have the opportunity to come and earn money and get somewhere in life, because the situation in Ukraine as regards work is quite hard."

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He used to rely on migrant workers from EU countries such as Poland and Lithuania to pick his cauliflowers, courgettes and brassicas, then more recently Romania and Bulgaria.
But in the past two years, their home economies picked up and the exchange rate became less favourable. Fewer have wanted to come.
In other words, even if we remained in the EU there would be problems.

OLD BOY 24-08-2019 00:51
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Spot on Mr K. ;) I'm concerned that my grown up "kids" will never get this opportunity that we currently take for granted.
So, in your imagined world, nobody from the UK will ever be able to go to Germany?
Have you listened to yourself? Please, get a grip!

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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36007181)
I agree with the highlighted bit. Fruit picking and care home recruitment for example is already massively affected by the looming Brexit threat. Brits just don't want these jobs. And likewise UK back packers won't be able to supplement their travels abroad with seasonal work.
That is an understandable concern, but the government would have to be daft to ignore that issue. It may not be a 'skill' to be able to pick fruit, but it is a demonstrable need.

Maggy 24-08-2019 09:18
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In which case we’re doing Europe a favour by making it harder for them...
You mean you don't think they should broaden their world knowledge?;)

Carth 24-08-2019 10:08
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36007213)

How did the UK manage before those from Eastern Europe were allowed in?
Students if I recall correctly . . before they got lazy or qualified for handouts ;)

As for land work, it used to be gangs of women (and kids) earning a few quid picking fruit/veg . . . no idea why that all collapsed, probably the Government not being able to tax it efficiently :rolleyes:

nomadking 24-08-2019 10:33
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36007246)
Students if I recall correctly . . before they got lazy or qualified for handouts ;)

As for land work, it used to be gangs of women (and kids) earning a few quid picking fruit/veg . . . no idea why that all collapsed, probably the Government not being able to tax it efficiently :rolleyes:
If that is the case, how come there was no gap, where people in the UK wouldn't do it, but Eastern Europeans couldn't yet come here?

Sounds like people in the UK got pushed out, which is forever being claimed not to have happened.
LSE report
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New evidence in this Report shows that the areas of the UK with large increases in EU
immigration did not suffer greater falls in the jobs and pay of UK-born workers. The big
falls in wages after 2008 are due to the global financial crisis and a weak economic
recovery, not to immigration.
There is also little effect of EU immigration on inequality through reducing the pay and
jobs of less skilled UK workers. Changes in wages and joblessness for less educated UKborn
workers show little correlation with changes in EU immigration.

Sephiroth 24-08-2019 16:53
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UK people must have got pushed out if they were doing those jobs before. The financial crisis sent people scurrying here where they could undercut wages in the agricultural and building sectors. Simple human economics. That didn’t seem to give rise to significant unemployment in the UK and even less now.

OLD BOY 24-08-2019 17:05
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36007246)
Students if I recall correctly . . before they got lazy or qualified for handouts ;)

As for land work, it used to be gangs of women (and kids) earning a few quid picking fruit/veg . . . no idea why that all collapsed, probably the Government not being able to tax it efficiently :rolleyes:
You answered your own question. Benefits.


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