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:confused: I never said he did say that

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you implied he did :confused:

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I didn't imply anything, I stated that he claimed the figure was higher than 350 million and campaigned on it.

In other news we're at the back of the queue after all, quite annoying as if the Canadian experience is anything to go by we could be there a while

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7696376.html

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That's the headline on the front page of The Times so the paper must be extremely confident of its facts.

Here's some extracts:

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So the US is going to do a trade deal with the EU. So what I would expect it to!

Does this mean the UK is at the back of the queue?

Only if you believe that the US (which has existed as a union of states for over 200 years) is only equipped to deal with one Country/Union/Alliance at a time.

There is no evidence yet that the US will not be negotiating a trade deal with the UK at the same time it is negotiating with the EU nor any other Country.

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i don't think a deal can be struck until brexit is concluded so a deal with the eu and america could be concluded first ,its not a Queue as such

but as a member state we could possibly veto any deal .

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Trade deals aren't easy to do. You don't just 'sign a trade deal'. It's a series of tariffs, laws, regulations that all need to be agreed and enacted. I wouldn't take anything seriously until serious talks are underway and even if you get one you need to make sure it's good. No point having a trade agreement where their is easy access to our market for the Americans but lots of exemptions when we want to sell to them. They also have a population of 318 million or our 64 million so advantage them there.

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Just because the US is negotiating a trade deal with the EU doesn't mean we jump to the back of the queue in anyway whatsoever, under article 50 we are not allowed to organise trade deals but that doesn't mean that unofficial talks are not being conducted.

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I didn't say trade deals were easy to negotiate or conclude.

The thrust of my post was that the US can be negotiating with more than one country/union/alliance at the same time. To think anything else is disingenuous.

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Yes it is. Nobody seriously believed that the US would be negotiating trade deals solely with the UK any more than the UK would exclude everything else while trying to get a deal done with the US. Still, in the absence of economic meltdown, emergency budgets, an exodus of major companies and widespread social disorder, the mongers of doom have to come up with something else to scare us with... ;)

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Good try but this all stems from the front-page headline in the Murdoch-owned The Times newspaper.

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how come you go all defensive when any one mentions doom mongering ;)

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The US will find it a lot easier to do a deal with an independent UK than with the EU.

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I wasn't aiming it at you. I was generally suggesting we take any stories about trade deals with a pinch of salt until they're clearly on the path to happening. Everyone needs to adjust their expectations both of the possibility of trade deals and how easy they'll be to implement.

It's what will be in that deal that's important. You can sign a trade deal tomorrow (well, when we're out of the EU) if you're willing to bend over backwards for them.

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Indeed and one of the things certain to be on the table is the nhs, who voted for more American access to it and on how it's regulated?

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That is probably true