Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

There was a time (up to about 3 months ago) when I thought that most intelligent thinking people saw through the soundbite culture of modern media and could make up their minds based on the facts. (naive?)

Seeing the constant repeated soundbites from phorm:

"it takes consumer privacy protection to a new level"
"Our technology doesn't store any personally identifiable information"
"creating a new "gold standard" for user privacy"
"designed to make the internet safer and more relevant to internet users"
"Webwise can help protect you from suspected fraudulent “phishing� websites"
"In essence a safer and more relevant browsing experience."
etc etc

all with very little detail or substance. As my mum used to say 'all fur coat and no knickers'.

As the vast majority of people who understand the technical side of 'DPI for profit' are against it anyway and inphormationdesk.org covers the middle ground very well (thanks PG), maybe it's about time we aimed far more at joe public sun reader.

Hit them with the facts in a repeated soundbite sensationalist style (keeping the facts but NO technical details (I've seen the glazed over eyes look so many times over the last 3 months).

That's the ticket!!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

How about a banner along the lines of "Which UK ISP is going to record details of every page you visit? Click here to find out."

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Long ago, I learned that people seem to get their info from soundbites. Look at the mobile phone ads for proof of this. People see "Free" in the headline, and because they don't read beyond that, are suprised when they find out that buying that "free" phone has commited them to thousands of pounds of expenditure over the life of the contract.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

just seen this

http://www.out-law.com/page-9173

"The Committee examined surveillance in public and private life, from CCTV and plans for a national ID card to credit card records and search engine logs. Warning of the risks of excessive surveillance, the House of Commons Home Affairs Committee called for a new approach"

phorm would make this easier for them to get the info, hmm, this why no prosecution of BT ????

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Ironically what we seem to need is targeted advertising :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

below is the latest install of my saga with BT, i think the webwise helpdesk (aka phorm) have got the record stuck

peter

***********
Dear Helpdesk

the answer below is not acceptable as i will not know when the system has been brought live.

On the off chance that you are invited to the trial. If you delete cookies regularly and want to remain opted-out, you can set your browser to block cookies from the domain www.webwise.net. When you block this domain, the service will opt you out permanently. To do this in Internet Explorer, click on ‘Tools’, then ‘Internet Options’ and on the Privacy tab, click ‘Sites’. In the ‘Address of Web site’ field, enter ‘www.webwise.net’ and click ‘Block’.

as i have stated i have 6 machines in my house, each with a number of accounts on, you are seriously suggesting i have to block the webwise domain on all accounts on all the machine and even if i add a new account to a machine REMEMBER to block it again

this is not a clear opt-in as required by the information commisioner for the system to be legal, this is an opt-in with a hope you will catch unwitting users who do not want it

also if a user decides to unblock the cookie and accept the trial and change my terms and conditions how will BT prove it was me who made the change and not a subaccount holder, or more to the point HOW WILL I KNOW my T's & C's have changed (oh let me guess i have to trust you??).

WHY CAN BT NOT MAKE THIS AN ACCOUNT LEVEL OPT IN AND ENSURE ONLY THE MAIN ACCOUNT HOLDER ONLY CAN ACCEPT THE INITIAL CHANGE, you do it with parental controls, why not PHORM / WEBWISE

i have lost all trust in BT's ability to privide a safe internet connection and want to leave ASAP but still have 8 months to go on my contract, i really don't see why i have to jump through these hoops to TRY and ensure the privacy of me and my familly is protected

so let me get this clear
if i accept the contract i am stuck with webwise and no option to leave
if i do not opt-in to webwise my contract does not change and i still have no option to leave
both of which i am left with an internet connection i do not trust but need to work from home

MR White

A SERIOUSLY DISSATIFIED CUSTOMER WHO WANTS TO LEAVE BUT CAN'T WITHOUT PAYING £200

PS I AM SPREADING THE WORD ABOUT PHORM AND IT'S INTRUSIVE NATURE TO ALL WHO WILL LISTEN, AND YOU HAVE ALREADY LOST A NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS FROM THIS





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From: bt.webwise.help.desk@bt.com [mailto:bt.webwise.help.desk@bt.com]
Sent: 13 June 2008 11:45
To: *******@btinternet.com
Subject: RE: RE: Broadband & Internet - BT Broadband - I want to make a complaint (*******0KM)


Dear Mr. White,

Apologies for the delay. We've endeavoured to compile comprehensive answers to your varied questions below.

Regards,
BT Webwise Helpdesk

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From: peter white [mailto:*******@btinternet.com]
Sent: Mon 09/06/2008 10:12
To: BT Webwise Help Desk G
Subject: RE: RE: Broadband & Internet - BT Broadband - I want to make a complaint (********0KM)



I still have not had a reply to the issues below,

How do I make a complaint about poor response times of the WebWise helpdesk?
And selective answering of questions


Regards

Peter white


-----Original Message-----
From: peter white [mailto:*****@btinternet.com]
Sent: 04 June 2008 10:34
To: 'bt.webwise.help.desk@bt.com'
Subject: RE: RE: Broadband & Internet - BT Broadband - I want to make a
complaint (KMM46016865I24871L0KM)

Thank you for the reply but I still have the following outstanding queries

Why should I have to block cookies for a service I do not want and that
invades my privacy by watching my browsing at network level.

On the off chance that you are invited to the trial. If you delete cookies regularly and want to remain opted-out, you can set your browser to block cookies from the domain www.webwise.net. When you block this domain, the service will opt you out permanently. To do this in Internet Explorer, click on ‘Tools’, then ‘Internet Options’ and on the Privacy tab, click ‘Sites’. In the ‘Address of Web site’ field, enter ‘www.webwise.net’ and click ‘Block’.

I have 6 machines in my house why should I have to do this due to BT's and
Phorm's lack of technical ability to provide a trial with correct
authentication and safeguards in place that mean only the account holder has
the ability to make the initial change to my T's and C's


On the off chance that you are invited to the trial you can pre-emptively do the following on each computer given your misgivings: Set your browser to block cookies from the domain www.webwise.net. When you block this domain, the service will opt you out permanently. To do this in Internet Explorer, click on ‘Tools’, then ‘Internet Options’ and on the Privacy tab, click ‘Sites’. In the ‘Address of Web site’ field, enter ‘www.webwise.net’ and click ‘Block’.


How will I know if a subaccount holder has agreed to PHORM and changed my
contract ?

If you implement this the users will not see the interstitial: If you delete cookies regularly and want to remain opted-out, you can set your browser to block cookies from the domain www.webwise.net. When you block this domain, the service will opt you out permanently. To do this in Internet Explorer, click on ‘Tools’, then ‘Internet Options’ and on the Privacy tab, click ‘Sites’. In the ‘Address of Web site’ field, enter ‘www.webwise.net’ and click ‘Block’.

BT should be making sure the trial is conducted in a way where the account
holder only has authority to accept the service as it requires a change in
the term and conditions of my contract with BT

Again, if you are this concerned we recommend that you set your browser to block cookies from the domain www.webwise.net. When you block this domain, the service will opt you out permanently. To do this in Internet Explorer, click on ‘Tools’, then ‘Internet Options’ and on the Privacy tab, click ‘Sites’. In the ‘Address of Web site’ field, enter ‘www.webwise.net’ and click ‘Block’.

When opted out, is my web traffic still passed via a profiler (even if
ignored) or my traffic profiled but no targeted adverts served to me, or is
my traffic passed direct out onto the internet via a different route thus
bypassing the system altogether (unlikely as apparently I will get reminder
adverts about WebWise system being turned off and click here to turn it on?)

Thought we answered this before, but here goes:

Specifically: Technical segregation information can be found here: http://www.webwise.bt.com/webwise/customer_choice.html

If I block the domain I will not be aware of when you start spying on my
browsing.

Refer to above to understand the opt-out and where it occurs.

Can you confirm the statement earlier in the email from one of your
colleagues that unless I agree to PHORM my terms and conditions will not
alter, so I will not be allowed to terminate my contract due to material
change to T's and C's?

Given your misgivings, and on the off chance that you are invited to the trial: If you implement the above domain block ahead of time, the new T's and C's will not be offered.

If a subaccount holder accepts the change to my T's and C's during the trail
how do I get it reverted to the original contract as they would not have had
the correct authority to make this change


Given your misgivings, and on the off chance that you are invited to the trial: If you implement the above domain block ahead of time, the new T's and C's will not be offered.


Does the trail require me to accept a new contract or is it only the full
service when released

We don't consider the contractual changes that will be introduced for the forthcoming Webwise trial to be materially disadvantageous. They will simply enable us to take the necessary steps to provide the Webwise service to those customers who choose to participate in the trial.

Regards

Peter white

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Nope. What we need is good advertising. :)

Ad/Marketing people seem to have completely lost the plot.

Eye catching ads. Inspiring ads. Ads that make you curious. Challenging ads.

The Smash Potato Robots for fun. The 'Shake 'n Vac' to put the freshness back. The Hovis loaf for the sentimental. And even that ghastly (but unique) Frog.

Advertising with real eye catching creative talent that accurately reflects and understands the aspirations of the audience.

That's what we need.

Targeted advertising is for the talentless idiots who can't create their own market. We're better than that ;)

---------- Post added at 14:12 ---------- Previous post was at 13:59 ----------

EU's Online Privacy Hearing Follows Senate's Next Week

U.S. lawmakers are not the only ones who are concerned about whether online advertising violates people's privacy. Regulators in Europe are also turning their attention to the issue.

In the latest development, the European Commission, which is tasked with enforcing Europe's broad privacy protection law, has scheduled a hearing in London for next Friday. That meeting will take place two days after a U.S. Senate subcommittee is slated to explore online advertising and privacy.

Anyone in a position to leaflet outside that meeting next Friday?

---------- Post added at 14:20 ---------- Previous post was at 14:12 ----------

Attending Meglena Kuneva EU Commisioner

"I want to make sure that people everywhere can enjoy the same high levels of protection, through proper law enforcement. I want consumer organisations in the Member States to have adequate resources, and I intend to tackle those people wishing to cheat and defraud consumers, through good cooperation between national authorities."

I feel another batch of letters flying out.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

i like the last para

"Meanwhile, news that Phorm conducted secret tests of a similar platform with U.K. Internet service provider British Telecom in 2006 continued to reverberate. This week, the European Commission reportedly said it would examine the test."

that sounds a bit more positive than other agencies are reporting

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

If I was being told to do this then I would consider it a change in my T's & C's that would be to my detriment.

Then I would push for my MAC code or take them to the small claims court for the amount they wish to charge me for cancelling my contract. Enough noise and aggrevation they will let you go with your MAC code.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

AAgree totally my son is trapped in a BT total long contract and if they change the privacy policy to accomdate phorm then he plans to make enough noise and get let out early to move to another ISP of his choice phorm phree he said.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

A reminder to everyone: Under OFCOM rules an ISP cannot withhold issuing a MAC because of a dispute over outstanding fees - they must issue the MAC within 5 working days of a request.

See http://www.ofcom.org.uk/telecoms/ioi...vogc150807.pdf

See Annex 1 starting on page 73.

Para A1.5 specifies the 5 days

Para A1.11 gives reasons why they may refuse to provide a MAC - refusal to pay a termination fee is NOT a valid reason.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That's a great piece of info Jelv, but since when did BT observe the rules?

Still, I particularly like

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

If they don't follow those rules it's a clear cut case which can be presented to OFCOM. I've seen postings elsewhere that indicate that action is taken against these cases.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

rob, can you pm me with dear emma's email addy

i would like to ask her a few questions my self, and if you have any pointers on how to avoid her junk box let me know, maybe titling the email "emma phorm IS LEGAL" would get past here junk filter :) :) :)

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I noticed today that el reg said "Spookcall, the UK's first caller ID-spoofing service available to the general public, has decided to close less than one week after launch."

Their spokesman had said previously a couple of days before that they (Spookcall) had sought legal advice and everything was hunky dory (my words).

I wondered if the company they sought advice from was also the same company advising BT in their webwise trials. ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

im still convinced that the Small claims court is our very good friend in all this T&C contract nonsense, it just takes a little coordinated thinking to get it right.

and if your (anyones)going to the trouble of sending your Letter Before Action (LBA) claiming your MAC code and the costs of ending the contract and costs (your generic per hour fee,travel costs, letters time,materials,research,etc [see: bank charges threads for all of these allowences etc]), then you might as well also add in the full monty.

any and all unlawful T&C clauses in there to be struck off,all costs of relocating to another ISP of your choice.

and getting a basic BT *DSL capable line installed and activated ,or even any wireless ISP inclusive connection fees, if that is your choice, if VM do activate this Phorm,etc.

everyone when talking about needing the T&C changing, forgets about the official BT diagrams of this upcoming trial, it clearly shows they are giving YOU no other option other than to be directly connected to the Deep Packet Interception kit so they can unlawfully put cookies on YOUR PC and check For them to see if they are legally allowed to Intercept you....

that is still clearly against the law, they can talk all they like about your T&C wont chance IF..... but if you decline or remove your authorisation to be intercepted at any time, then they are breaking the law, and the other documents and industry agreements etc, and NOT giving you the choice to never be intercepted by the DPI kit, a clear breach of any "in good faith" legal terms, or fair term for both partys in this CONSUMER Contract...

BTW, it appears you can use the moneyclaim online site for your Small claims, or just pop down your local court and get the N1 forms and leaflets explaining the procedure, you can also asked the court clerks to point you in the right direction as regards what other Leaflets you might want to use, claiming back fees or filling in forms for weaving costs for low income claiments etc apparently, again see the bank charges threads in the CAG. :angel:

---------- Post added at 15:33 ---------- Previous post was at 15:27 ----------

sp&*kCall must of forgot to pay those bluechip investors to sign up to their Board Of Directors, unlike K*nt.... he knows lots of them, i wonder if their not so happy with him right now , they too must have lost a few quid off their shares portfolio options :angel:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

It looks like the Share Price is being Shored Up for the Week end again, I hope a couple of Bigger Investors sell to protect their Pension funds at the Last minute to put a big dent in it.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Can you do an Anti-Phorm Banner 120x600 to go on my sites?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

just for the hell of it so they cannot id you all and profile you at the protest and serve you fliers.
http://tinyurl.com/3gkjec

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Well the AdWords seem to be working well; just running a small campaign against the events category page (53 key words/phrases) and have managed to increase traffic by about 400% so far. I will put up a few more campaigns tonight once I see how this once does this evening.

As I said earlier, can the person who offered to donate an AdWords voucher in PM to me contact me again, I have lost the PM.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Will do, PM me the wording. It will remain black as it will stand out. Send me the max filesize, and all the usual suspects, please.

The Logo will remain the same, as it has since February (Many thanks to None for the Logo design), with the www.nodpi.org link written below.

120 (H) x 600 (W)?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

anyone else noticed the way webwise / phorm is setup, a child with a sub account can change the terms and conditions of the primary account holder as no authentication appears to be required just click yes on the webwise page?

interesting court cases coming me thinks

<spoof>

judge: so what is this case about?

BT punter: BT allowed my child to change my contract and now won't let me revert back or leave

judge: is this right BT?

BT: erm, erm maybe, but it was only a technical trial

judge : so BT you did not make the relevant check to ensure the person was the account holder and legally able to make the change?

BT: erm, erm, erm well no, not really we assume everyone was honest like us

Judge: case found against BT, BT to pay costs, damages for invasion of privacy and issue MAC code, next case please

<\spoof>

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

bbc parliament right now
personal data and privacy debate in the house of lords

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Phorm Protest Banner:

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3...erani02lc1.gif

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120 (H) 600 (W)

Filesize 85kb

ext: gif (no compression)

Version 2:

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/7...erani03mv5.gif

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Filesize 79kb

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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I've received a reply on bahalf of our Chief Constable and I will quote the important part:

So... if anyone does want to report the BT trials of 2006 & 2007, where they intercepted the communications of thousands of their customers without their customers' permission and without legal warrant requiring them to do so, contrary to RIPA 2000... confusion still reigns despite the assurances of Lord Spithead!!

I think this has been covered here before...
What is the IoCC responsible for doing? Here's the Government web page info on their role:
http://www.ipt-uk.com/default.asp?sectionID=8&chapter=2

Now, as I read all this:

1) There does not seem to be an investigatory role listed for the IoCC if a corporate body has apparently broken the law according to the bounds of RIPA 2000. So I question if writing to them will achieve anything (considering the Spithead Home Office answer already given)

2) Lord Spithead said the Police would investigate suspected breeches of the law according to RIPA 2000

3) Our local Police service are saying "No, it is not for us to do this"

So following Lord Northesk's question and the answer which that illicited, either the Home Office answer is an untruth or it isn't an untruth... and if it isn't, then what happens now? Where does that leave this thorny question of BT and ignoring the requirements set out in RIPA 2000?

I've decided to forward my letter and a copy of the response to Lord Spithead and ask what he thinks of it in relation to his Hansard recorded answer and I will cc David Carnegie (the Earl of Northesk) - see what happens next.

If anyone wishes to write to the IoCC it probably can't do any harm!!

Hank

EDIT 17:43
- The Earl of Northesk asked Her Majesty's Government:

Which law enforcement agency, department or other statutory body has responsibility for investigating and prosecuting possible criminal breaches of (a) the Data Protection Act 1998, (b) the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, and (c) the Computer Misuse Act 1990. (HL3267)

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Home Office (Lord West of Spithead): (a) Investigation of breaches of RIPA would be investigated by the police or other relevant law enforcement agency; any subsequent prosecution would be taken forward by the CPS or other relevant prosecuting agency.


Is the Interception of Communications Commissioner the "other relevant law enforcement agency" ??

All write please :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I would have thought that this was good evidence for the EU Commission. i.e. the UK authorities are not doing their job properly and are being obstructive with regard to upholding the law.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

PM sent

---------- Post added at 17:56 ---------- Previous post was at 17:50 ----------

Can you do it this way 120 (W) 600 (H) Sorry for the mix up

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

**** The link above just flagged up as Spyware in my Zone alarm protection and disconnected me automatically, so don't go there unless you really must. It redirects to:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/90553/V-for-Vendetta-Mas

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

We mentioned US security expert Steve Gibson back in April, he promised sometime he would cover this.

In his Security Now podcast for this week - Episode 148 at http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm - he announces that he will be covering it in next week's podcast. He normally records it on Tuesday for release on Thursday (California evening time) and the links appear on his site on our Friday afternoon.

His short mention in SN148 maybe indicates he is not as up to date with the technology as we would like:

"Next week we're going to finally talk about the form system, the so-called "Phorm Webwise" technology which has really got people upset because ISPs that have adopted this are changing the pages people download from foreign servers. That's next week's topic."

"About the whole Phorm Webwise technology. There's a very disturbing new trend which is ISPs are actually modifying the pages their customers download. So when I go to a website and look at the page, an ISP has tacked on their own JavaScript, which is being used to monitor me and track me and profile me. Not a good idea."

Maybe a chance to contact Steve before he does the recording...

Dave

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

No worries

I'll have it done after tea

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Watch out for forms/links like this;

I wonder how long it would take!


https://www2(dot)formwize(dot)com/run /survey3(dot)cfm?ID=1081

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

If you want a laugh at Kent's expense then have a look at these Click on the Attached Thumbnail to see my creation.

kent the vulcher
kent flushed
kent down the pan

I hope that you enjoy my creations. :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Just a quibble over the wording. Would it be better to say, "The biggest threat to Internet Privacy is about to be created by..."

or "A significant threat to Internet privacy is about to be created by..."

I reckon Phorm would also challenge the 'disregarding' line, even if they do disregard.

Perhaps you could slip in a dig at the ICO. "And the ICO, Police and Home Office won't protect you. For your chance to say no, click here"

Or something. Dunno.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I've just noticed this, probably because it was done as an edit to an existing post.

It's so important we get letters in to the EU. Particularly explaining how obstructive UK institutions have been with regards to getting all this properly investigated.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Agree completely with Mark777... We need to get the complaints in *before* next Friday about the way the case has been handled by the ICO, Home Office and Police forces.

Pete.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2008/06/1.pnghttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/06/38.png

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

jelv posted this before the David Davis resignation.

Why don't we put up a candidate in the by-election?

Do we have any anti-phormites in that constituency, or anyone with contacts that live there?

As far as I know we would need two people to second a nomination (resident in the constituency?) and a £500 deposit. There could be a load of publicity.

EDIT : Haltemprice and Howden is near Hull btw, I just looked it up.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

These would be brilliant to hand out at the demo as Postcards.

I'll work on the one-page soundbite flyer over the weekend.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Weird!!!

That is the face of a well known terrorist ( Guy Fawkes ). Then I remember seeing several people wearing that mask on the news the otherday at another protest.

I just noticed the terrorist "V" is on TV right now my time 12:20am Sky Screen 2

"V for Vendetta"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XKa8VE7ILI

Wiki link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_(film)


It's an upto date tale of Orwellian oppression.. coincidence David Davis resigned?

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/06/1.jpeg


Note: It gets stranger and stranger... The Telegraph have already portrayed David Davis as a Guy Fawkes suicide terrorist bomber in this remarkable animated cartoon. (1m1s) short video. What a disgusting way for people to treat the only politician with enough guts to challenge the threat to British freedom and privacy with such contempt.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/2119153/Last-scalp-to-be-claimed-could-be-David-Davis%27s.html

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Just had another look at this. It seems my zone alarm pro flags all tinyurl links as bad and disconnects. Sorry.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Well everyone seems to be doing it.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/06/45.jpg

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Notice the Telegraph doesn't have the courage to allow people to comment on how thye present any news. Is it worth reading then...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That is distasteful in the extreme.

In a healthy society, people have the right to a different opinion, and respect for their differing views.

This prevailing 'you're either compliant, or you support the terrorists' thing is getting deeply insidious.

Its exactly what Orwell's 1984 predicts. A daily period of "two minutes hate" when we must express our hatred for enemies, and the principles of democracy.

Set me free.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Sad isn't it :(



Btw Pete in the V for Vendetta film the Orwellian dictator High Chancellor Adam Sutler is played by John Hurt who played another role back in the 80's, a little known about film called "1984" (Nineteen Eighty-Four) can't remember exactly what the film was about but his character was Winston Smith. ;) (Sir Richard Burton played a very sinister O'Brien)

If you don't have this film in your DVD collection, just keep your eyes open in the TV listing for 1984 (Nineteen Eighty-Four) it is sometimes repeated on Channel 4 (who knows it could be coincidence that it will appear very shortly?!?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_%28film%29 [ Wiki LINK ]

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Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer (Spokesperson in the Lords, Home Affairs; Liberal Democrat)

I was talking with the chief executive of Phorm this week who told me that once something is stored you have lost control over it. Phorm has been the subject of an interesting article in the Economist recently which some of your Lordships may have read. It is a company on the cutting edge of what can protect the public. A bit of controversy surrounds its work because, with its client BT, it intercepted people's online business without BT customers knowing. But Phorm is certainly correct when it says that if consumers knew what was actually stored they would decide to opt for true anonymity online. This is what Phorm is trying to develop with major telecommunications clients on a global scale.

Oh for Gods sake. The Liberal democrats of all people. FFS.

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Bloody ridiculous! Are !WE! and only one politician the only ph~ckers that can see what is going on? Phorm is straight out of a George Orwell nightmare, its double speak psychology about protecting privacy by reading everything, all our private online thoughts is the biggest danger the British have faced since world war II. Terrorist like the 7/7 bombers will come and go BUT Phorm once it has managed to slip its sinister feet under the table will be the biggest threat EVER to freedom, liberty and privacy. Why can't those idiots get it through their thick skulls how dangerous Phorm really is!

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My printer's whirling away right now. That lady needs a bit of a clue stick.

There's a point with Phorm when you finally 'get it', and that's the point you know you must never let it happen.

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We need a massive letter campaign, again, to MP's, MEP's, Lords, misguided Baroness's and the EU.

It is clear to see what BT and Phorm have been up to, while all our previous letters have been referred to DBERR (or whatever Jim Hacker's Dept of Administrative Affairs is now called).

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I'm sure she hasn't got a clue what a rootkit is either but just let her know that "the rootkit" is the most sinister weapon in the criminal hackers arsenal. Once the criminal hacker has broken into his victims machine he needs to stay on the machine like a parasite, and to go into to deep stealth mode into order to not be removed while he continues to manipulate and use the owner for whatever his sinister intentions are.

And guess what Phorm developed the most sinister rootkit and injected it into millions of computers around the world in 2005/2006. (The Apropos rootkit) Something former BT CTO criminal Stratis Scleparis knew about before he allowed 121Media(Phorm) hackers onto the BT premises to break the law and spy on many 10's of thousands of customers with their new Intra-ISP Rootkit.

Read about Phorm's privacy credentials here:
http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001420.html


Apropos:
http://www.f-secure.com/sw-desc/apropos.shtml

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I'm obviously doing something wrong. I've offered over and over again to go to Westminster and advise my MP, Don Foster, Home Office, DfBERR. If I say so myself, I think I'm quite well qualified to do it too.

FFS. Going to bed. This stuff just enrages me more and more and more every passing day.

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Read the comic, V for Vendetta, it is a masterpiece, the film is so watered down it's pathetic.

[QUOTE: Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer]I was talking with the chief executive of Phorm this week who told me that once something is stored you have lost control over it... A bit of controversy surrounds its work...[regarding the PIA process]As far as I can establish, none has been conducted on the proposed national ID card scheme...[/QUOTE]

So once it's been stored "temporarily" on the profiler, I can assume I've lost control of my data.

Was this Kent or Hugo? The charmers. Good to see (alleged) criminals mixing with lords. Maybe they are trying to put some work Simons way. Favours for favours(or votes), isn't that how the system works?

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You are lucky you can go to bed and sleep... I've already been to bed and kept thinking about what you wrote, now I feel ill and I can't sleep :mad:

---------- Post added at 03:09 ---------- Previous post was at 03:04 ----------

Good coverage of the story over on Wiki (Book and Film)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_(film) [ Wiki LINK ]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...comiccover.jpg "Alan Moore's original story is darker, with a greater emphasis on anarchist themes"

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i missed most of the personal data and privacy debate, but the one part that stands out (its in that text transcript you linked but doesnt stand out like the video)when i watched it, was the admission (of being a Tech noob ;) )from Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer that

" My Lords, I thank warmly all noble Lords who have spoken. I have certainly learnt a lot today.

I pay tribute to the expertise of the noble Earl, Lord Erroll, who knows a great deal about this subject.

Everyone else I know with such expertise is under 25. In my family, only my stepson knows a great deal.

The remarks in my speech about the younger generation were made seriously—we are poorly equipped for this debate.

if you have VM , the debate's on OnDemand/Iplayer/Factual, page 2 of 21
"lards - personal data a..."

i cant find a direct URL online as yet other than perhaps forcing you to use the Iplayer and thats not for Linux/OtherOS.....

i wonder ...given the (other than Earl, Lord Erroll sat here) "we are poorly Equipped for this Debate"

if any of them might like to get an invite to go to the demo,not nessesarily to take part OC,unles they wish to, but to learn and be given the facts from our Anti Phorm/DPI Interception for profit POV.

or at least we might find a way to have them talk to us and learn the real facts as we see it for the DPA and private companies part of the review?

and we might even get some real advice and action as to getting a Govt department to investigate and report to the CPS....

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OMG. This just shows what many of us knew already. Mr Ertugrul might be a ***** but in conversation he sounds educated and presents a confident, even very well spoken persona. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying he has/is, but he has the cash, he can get to high places and he can talk a good job.

I forget who raised it, but we do need letters to those Lords and Ladies.

Posting today:

- Letter to The The Interception of Communications Commissioner
(follow up to the response from a local Police directing that IoCC is responsible for investigating breeches of RIPA 2000)

- Copy of above to Lord Northesk (who asked The Home Office who is responsible)

- Copy of the above to Lord Spithead (from Home Office who said it is the Police or other relevant law enforcement agency's responsibility to investigate)

- Copy of above to Vivian Reding, member of the EU commission who might be interested in what our government is or is not doing to ensure the laws of the land are applied

- Letter to Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer expressing grave concern that she has apparently met with a 'Wolf in sheeps clothing' and simply referencing the history of Phorm as 121Media with a non-technical short explanation of what rootkits are.

Get writing all!!

Hank

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Only one other to add to Hanks check list (you beat me to it). This one is particularly urgent given the EC meeting in London on Friday at which I believe she will attend;

Attending the EC Meeting in London; Meglena Kuneva EU Commisioner (FAX: +32 229 95372)

Who said;
"I want to make sure that people everywhere can enjoy the same high levels of protection, through proper law enforcement. I want consumer organisations in the Member States to have adequate resources, and I intend to tackle those people wishing to cheat and defraud consumers, through good cooperation between national authorities."

A link for
Viviane Reding (FAX: +32 2 299.92.01)

For letters to Earl of Northesk, Lord Spithead, and Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer... Address of the House of Lords;

The House of Lords,
Westminster,
London,
SW1A 0PW

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Good point sir. Written and posting 1st class. I'm absolutely aghast at the words used by the Baroness. It's like an advert for Webwise!!! Blinkin crazy, absolutely crazy. What was she thinking? Top marks to 'Kenty boy', he spun her well. To be fair, I suppose she does acknowledge the complexity in stating the age of them (the Lords) vs undersatanding the technicality and issues. But come on!!!

Get writing all...

Hank

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I;m sending to this address:

Meglena Kuneva
European Commissioner for Consumers
Directorate General for 'Health and Consumers'
B-1049
BRUSSELS

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Another link that may have so useful info.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...ioral-ads.html

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Kent must love the British Aristocracy, they are so wrapped up their own self importance and so sheltered from the real world with their wealth that it is like taking candy from a baby for him.

Maybe if all these high society members actually gave 1/10th of the time they give to businesses, to the general public (wha wha whaaaat!!! meet the people?!?!?!) they would actually have a fracking clue.

Next line of attack is for everyone who lives within range of a member of the aristocracy (especially if they are House of Lords peers) is to book an appointment to see them and don't take no for an answer.

Alexander Hanff

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i wish id known that before hand, i didnt ask if she has an email address, or perhaps she can ask her son to make her one ;)

perhaps your next post can ask her...

i asked that she have a read of this thread to get informed ;), i wonder if she uses email and the web, we may get a visit if so....

http://www.writetothem.com/
"Your message may be slow to deliver, because we do not have a direct contact address for Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer. Instead we are sending the message via the House of Lords fax machine."

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Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer has a couple of email addresses here http://www.suemiller.org.uk/contact/

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LOL Absolutely.

However... when I wrote my letter and re-read it after a break, I reminded myself of this: They are NOT MPs.

So they don't have expensive salaried secretaries etc (granted they might have in many circumstances great family or personal wealth).

So I re-worded a little. It's worth remembering that because they are not elected and not directly answerable to a consitiuent, they don't actually have to reply at all. So, I have shown courtesy but still made my point (she said it herself of course; they are, in the majority, out of touch with the current progress of technology)

Hank

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Helped by a bit of inspiration from Alex, I've created an automatic MP letter generator. Simply enter your name, address, post code and a simple and direct letter about Phorm is written for you. All you have to do is print and send;

http://www.dephormation.org.uk/letters/

Source code for web masters; http://www.dephormation.org.uk/letters/letters.zip. (no copyright, feel free to use and adapt)

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If you stand in a by-election, then I think there's a small allowance for writing to voters, that's worth considerably more than the £500 deposit...

You need 10 people to second a nomination:-

http://www.electoralcommission.org.u..._N__S__W__.pdf

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Superb work :clap:

Minor possible improvement* - Add "Rt. Hon. " before MP's name in their address block on the letter ("Right Honourable" being the correct proper way to address them in the address).

(*Very minor possible improvement on something which does a great job)

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Heya all, have been keeping up to date as a lurker :) I see the strength of feeling is still there!

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Love IT!

If anyone is interested I am currently writing a new article summarising the last 4 months. The first 5 pages are available as a pdf here:

http://www.paladine.org.uk/phorm.pdf

I am about to take a quick break from writing and setup a gallery page on NoDPI for all these anti Phorm images, please let me know if I miss any.

Alexander Hanff

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Thanks Alex, I pulled it as I thought it was rubbish :D

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Kursk, where did the image go?

Alexander Hanff

Give it back! I was about to add it to the gallery!

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This look sufficient?

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Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer:

Official website:

http://www.suemiller.org.uk/

Has an email contact: info@suemiller.org.uk

Or the "Send Views" page: http://www.suemiller.org.uk/views.php

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Does anyone know where I can find more information about the EC hearing in London on Friday?

It seems blummin strange to have a hearing, but not publish the location, and not invite key opinion sources like FIPR for example (who are apparently unaware and uninvited).

I wonder if Privacy International or 80/20 are attending. Wonder which hat they will wear. Bowler hat. Top Hat. Clown hat. If you want to get ahead, get a hat.

"Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others."
Groucho Marx

Pete.

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Banners

Hey Guys, had to take a little time away, and will complete the two left to do today.

If anyone wants a banner for their website, PM me with the specs, filesize limit and so on. They will all be the same format for the next week, to ensure familiarity and cohesion within the campaign. Please ansure that the dimensions are started ie 250 (W) x 300 (H), file limit 80kb etc. And include the prefered text.

I will create in bulk and post here and on badphorm, in the fightback section.

The Templates I have can throw up a Banner/Signature etc within minutes, except when animation is required - this will take a little longer.

Don't ask for reference to your own website, your site is your own responsibility, and the goal of this effort is to ensure a coherant body to oppose Phorm.

I've checked the Petition today, and only about an extra 100 signatures, can all website owners please put the button below onto their sites:

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8...nbuttonhf3.gif

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

Create a link by clicking the button to:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ispphorm/

Please add a short editorial comment to explain Phorm, and what the site is for.

The sooner we can create a cohesive network, and start to work together solidly on this matter, the sooner we can help to educate the majority of the population.

Thanks

Sammy

I will create banners to link to your website too (Anti Phorm Sites only). If you have a Google AdSense Campaign, and are wishing a few additions, let me know.

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Tharrick - That letter is fantastic. I'll post mine below, but I think that receiving letters that are different in thier content and main approach is good, it shows the strength of opinion is sufficient to stir different poeple into action (not simply a copy of a standard letter - although I think that would be better than no letter at all)

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer
The House Of Lords
London
SW1A 0PW
Friday 13th June 2008

Dear Baroness Miller

Phorm – Intercepting communication to profile individuals members of the British public

I read with some concern, and even alarm, your comments during the House Of Lords debate on Data Protection.

I was talking with the chief executive of Phorm this week who told me that once something is stored you have lost control over it. Phorm has been the subject of an interesting article in the Economist recently which some of your Lordships may have read. It is a company on the cutting edge of what can protect the public. A bit of controversy surrounds its work because, with its client BT, it intercepted people's online business without BT customers knowing. But Phorm is certainly correct when it says that if consumers knew what was actually stored they would decide to opt for true anonymity online. This is what Phorm is trying to develop with major telecommunications clients on a global scale.

The very idea that you could believe Phorm are working to “Protect the public” and that you stated so in The Lords is very concerning indeed. I know and respect the fact that you are a member of the Liberal Democrat group of Lords and so I hope that I may take the time to offer my thoughts and a suggestion.

Kent Ertugrul has been known to individuals such as I for many years and the history of his output is very well known amongst Information Technology professionals. I stress he is not 'Personally known to me'.

I very much doubt that Kent explained that the two most common Anti-Virus software systems, produced by the highly respected companies F-Secure and Symantec, classified his Kent's products as Spyware, Malware or Adware. F-Secure and Symatec products are widely used and include processes to remove the software created by Phorm (previously known as 121Media).

Furthermore, controversy is not at all limited to the current work of Phorm with BT and their trials. Kent's '121Media' developed a technology called 'Rootkits' which was specifically designed to reduce the chances of discovery of his system on a personal computer and to make subsequent removal more difficult. The old phrase relating to 'Leopards' and 'Spots' comes to mind.

When Mr Ertugrul described that, “Once something is stored you have lost control over it,” I suspect he did not explain that the Phorm system, if implemented, will indeed need to “store” information, even if it is only for a short time. Will you be happy to lose control, for any period of time?

Anonymity cannot be enhanced by the allowance in our country of interception systems running 24/7 and sited at our ISP. To try and “sell this” as a benefit is a nonsense, but that is what Mr Ertugrul will work to do. The benefits he and BT are pushing of “Anti Phishing technology” are a smokescreen. Anti phishing technology is already available in the most common web browser on any Windows home PC and it is already free. So what benefits does that leave us getting from Phorm?

Please consider: Would you accept all your letters being opened and your communication being profiled before the postman delivered them to you? Would you accept your telephone conversations being listened to, with someone sitting half way between you and all those whom you speak with? What is the difference between these two scenarios and the interception of all your web browsing data by Phorm?

Please be aware that Phorm spin wonderfully about how they will not read emails or other personal data. They cannot guarantee this. They may have lists of hundreds of web services providing email utilities, but they cannot list them all, there are simply too many.

The Phorm business proposition is morally reprehensible. It should not be permitted and one would hope that we have members of The Commons and The Lords taking sufficient interest in the detail of how Phorm and others propose to implement these intrusive methods of making a profit. If we do not have people in these places of power investigating the issues in detail, if we only listen to those who wish to profit from exploiting privacy in this country, we will open the door to them and despite our desires to go back, it will not close afterwards.

There is no need for Phorm's system to be permitted and there have been many occasions where people in our sphere of interest have seen that Mr Ertugrul is presented as a wolf in the clothing of a sheep.

More can be learned by a visit to www.nodpi.org and you or any of the members of The Lords would, I am certain, be welcomed by concerned members of the public who are meeting at the BT AGM on July 16th (The Barbican Centre). As I understand it there will be eminent experts in the field available to discuss the issues.

I know of no experts in the field of 'The Web' who think that Phorm's system is a good idea. I refer to Dr Richard Clayton (Cambridge University), Sir Tim Berners-Lee ('Inventor' of the web) and Alexander Hanff (activist who has studied Phorm's system and this issue in detail).

I do hope that this letter has been received in the manner I wish. I am deeply concerned that in our country we must have the systems in place to detect and investigate terrorism and crime, but that we should work to ensure that this is achieved within a framework that does not lead to a deterioration of the freedoms that we enjoy in Great Britain. I do not see Phorm's system co-existing with the maintenance of privacy at all.


Yours sincerely



I recommend hard copy in the post rather than email if you can send it that way. It carries more impact than electronic communication.

Hank

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Already sent by writetothem, but I may well print it out and get a hard copy in the mail as well. Signing up for the royal mail stamp printing, since I'm out of stamps :P



EDIT: Well, that worked really well. Won't let me send it unless there's a street name. What's the street name for the houses of parliament, anyway?

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120x600

Vertical Banner:

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/670...lbannerih1.gif

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/670...lbannerih1.gif

Dimensions: 120 (W) 600 (H)

Filesize: 118kb

Ext: .gif (No compression)

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Gallery now up on https://nodpi.org/gallery

I will add new pics as I get them.

Please make yourself known if you want your name added next to any images you worked on, via PM.

Alexander Hanff

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Hey Alex

If your have your quote, please PM me :)

Also, it would be interesting to know hit stats for your site?

No name required Alex, all free to use (Conditions apply*).

* Images I submit are free to use by any individual/website, unconditionally, involved with the campaign to stop the implementation of the Phorm System, which is not limited to the original, ie copies can be altered for a website/individuals own use.

NO PERMISSION is granted for BT, VirginMedia, Talk Talk, Phorm, OIX, Webwise, or associated Companies or individuals (with the exception of any individual within these organisations that are actively involved in the campaign to stop the implementation of the Phorm System - any such individual will be treated as an Anti-Phorm Campaigner). The Copyright remains with myself, and the Template Creator, and we will commence legal action against any individual, Company associated with the Phorm System, or related to, if they breach the said copyright.

The Media are permitted FULL Rights, and will be treated as Phorm Campaigners, in respects of use of the Images, however the Media are NOT Permitted to alter the Images in any way, and must display the images as originally created, however the Media are permitted to resize, or crop the Images to fit on any webspace theywish to display the Images. This does not, however, limit the usage of the Images by the Media to create Links, and Link back sources.

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Let's hope they don't arrange for the meeting to be professionally filmed, or promise that the entire event will be placed unedited on the Web shortly. That London meeting was when... back in April? 80/20 Thinking still says "NB The video footage is not currently available" on their website.

Shame that Phorm has done the dirty on them because I do think that Simon would not have ever wanted to be in the current situation - it's not good for a company to say "will be placed unedited on the Web shortly" in April and "The video footage is not currently available" in June really is it?

Kent has really been very bad to them (bet he hasn't paid his bills either - if he had, and it was my website, I'd be saying why the video was not available... We all know WHY!!)

Hank

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My succinct hardcopy letter to her has been sent off first class in time for today's post. Given her comment that "we are poorly equipped for this debate" I've offered to meet her to provide a briefing.

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Succint - I like that. She'll probably never read all of the long ones, but they will help her realise the issue is real. Your letter could therefore get the response desired.

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IMPORTANT

The Petition, http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ispphorm/, is not available at this time.

The site is down for maintenance, with no indication of when it will return.

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thats just sick.....
and his website's not much better
http://www.livedraw.co.uk/archive.html

i admire David Davis for standing up, speaking out, and fighting for his and our rights.

will the anonymous readers here do the same, and take the time to write those letters.... and send that Email, YES even you Pro-Phorm voters if you are playing fair, and it is your personal opinion.....

how about really planning to get to the Demo if your in london or if you can afford the train fair and sundries to get there.....go.

BTW Pete, i was looking for the rebol banner Gfx loader and scroller were you can load up any text over the top of any Gfx so as not to have to make them static every time, it exists as iv seen it but cant find it now.

But this rebol local proxy script i came aross while looking
http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap...script=proxy.r

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap...anner&form=yes

proxy.r got me thinking about how one might use and adapt such a free thing to the Anti-Phorm armory, that stopping javascript and replacing adsense ad's with your own personal ads got me thinking.

if some good scriptor can adapt it, we might get a really good Anti-Phorm free "end users" run ad service using P2p (innovate not stagnate, [Muticast P2p tunnels through Unicast web] ;) ) and a little of your upload bandwidth to pass the ads around.

unicast P2p webservers already exist, so why not our own free ad services too?, carrying help the aged, community wireless projects, and other free and werthy causes to kill off the commercial cashflow intake valve.

most people dont want to see ads OC, but it might be worth
overriding any commercial ads with free ads even if most block them anyway.

the commercial Phorm type ads are working hard in the background intercepting all your webpages and makeing Unlawful derivative works, but if the users are killing off javascript to the (injected)ads and replacing them with community free ads, their flogging a dead horse or did i forget something?

for those that dont normally block, they are still helping to zerofeed the commercial webwise network......

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[QUOTE=Dephormation;34575319]Helped by a bit of inspiration from Alex, I've created an automatic MP letter generator. Simply enter your name, address, post code and a simple and direct letter about Phorm is written for you. All you have to do is print and send;

http://www.dephormation.org.uk/letters/

Printed, Signed and posted to David Cameron my MP!

Dave.

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You missed the mention of around 300 servers to do the customers on phorm that are not needed without phorm. Plus the extra power they would consume plus the footprint they would leave. Liberal are supposed to be green :D

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It is working fine here.

Alexander Hanff

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Back up here too.

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Wow, whatever you do do not leave your browser open on Google AdWords account pages, firefox was using 2.4GB of RAM (1.8GB memory, 600MB swap).

Alexander Hanff

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Pedants corner: Rt Hon is for Cabinet Ministers (strictly, Privy Council members) other MPs are just Honourable, unless they are bent MEPs, in which case they are Dishonourable. All right, I made the last bit up.:erm:

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Petition Banner:

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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Thank you for doing that, I will send the letter off to my MP Stuart Bell on Monday.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Clearly BT and Phorm have been doing a publicity blitz in Parliament.

Could I suggest that as well as writing to your own MP, people also write to the MP's in surrounding constituencies. This would need to be done on a 'for your information' basis, as they cannot act for you.

It will ensure that we cover everyone, we don't want any gaps.

Also, pick 10 members of the House of Lords, at random, to copy your letters to?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Any info on the PIA?
Is this likely to be released any time soon?
The last I heard was from Alexander who indicated that Simon Davies said it would be finished by Friday.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I've had a few more problems getting in to it - constant time outs. This has been going on since they closed off for Maintenance earlier.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Parts of the site have been deactivated to reduce load, so it may be better to only use the site if actually signing the petition until it gets back to normal.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

another uninformed blogger putting the Pro Phorm case....
http://blackbeak.conversionchronicle...rns-around-bt/

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Typical not accepting adverse comments & probably collecting E-mail addresses of anyone who's anti-phorm.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

CEO BT on Radio 4 now

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

What was he saying and was it Ian or the old CEO Ben

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I don't think so, although it does read like a cynically constructed PR piece, the guy is an ex-copyrighter. He obviously sees more work for himself if other telcos decide to sell their customers out (we'll know about it if and when Nokia and co start lobbying).

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

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Link this back to any of the sites. If you want specific text PM me, I'll ammend for you.