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denphone 04-12-2023 08:24
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Bleak reading for the Conservative party in this latest polling report released this morning.

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...e+-+Report.pdf

jfman 04-12-2023 08:35
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“Polls schmolls. Once they ban 20mph an hour speed limits, sink some migrant boats, halve inflation it’ll be a landslide against the WOKERATI.”

Sephiroth 04-12-2023 09:36
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36165665)
Bleak reading for the Conservative party in this latest polling report released this morning.

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...e+-+Report.pdf
A very well presented article.

1andrew1 04-12-2023 10:27
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36165666)
“Polls schmolls. Once they ban 20mph an hour speed limits, sink some migrant boats, halve inflation it’ll be a landslide against the WOKERATI.”
Voters have been lead to believe that there are no trade-offs in key policy areas areas such as immigration and Brexit. They're still munching on Johnson's "You can have your cake and eat it" manifesto.

When they see that they can't have a fully-manned NHS and care system without high levels of immigration or Brexit deals with the US and India without compromising standards, they blame it on the government's policy execution and not reality...and move their votes to Reform UK.

It all reminds me of what they said about Communism. This is not true Communism. If it was true Communism we'd all be much better off.

Sephiroth 04-12-2023 11:40
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36165676)
Voters have been lead to believe that there are no trade-offs in key policy areas areas such as immigration and Brexit. They're still munching on Johnson's "You can have your cake and eat it" manifesto.

When they see that they can't have a fully-manned NHS and care system without high levels of immigration or Brexit deals with the US and India without compromising standards, they blame it on the government's policy execution and not reality...and move their votes to Reform UK.

It all reminds me of what they said about Communism. This is not true Communism. If it was true Communism we'd all be much better off.
No they're not. The polls clearly show that voters know all about your 2nd paragraph - except that Reform will not benefit to a significant extent..

Pierre 04-12-2023 12:28
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When they see that they can't have a fully-manned NHS and care system without high levels of immigration .
Change the record. The NHS employs 500,000 doctors and nurses in total, we don't need over a million (700K net) coming in every year, to service the NHS.

1andrew1 04-12-2023 13:09
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Change the record. The NHS employs 500,000 doctors and nurses in total, we don't need over a million (700K net) coming in every year, to service the NHS.
The NHS and care homes employ about 2m people and the figure is rising due to the ageing population. This is where our record level of taxes is going and staff are needed.

No idea of the breakdown of the 700k - presumably a fair percentage are students?

Hugh 04-12-2023 14:50
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The NHS and care homes employ about 2m people and the figure is rising due to the ageing population. This is where our record level of taxes is going and staff are needed.

No idea of the breakdown of the 700k - presumably a fair percentage are students?
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.u...cent-figures/#

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This unusually high level was driven by a combination of humanitarian schemes for Ukrainians and Hong Kongers, plus increases in international students and work visas.

The data suggest net migration has started to decrease following its 2022 peak, with 1,180,000 people immigrating and 508,000 emigrating in the year ending June—with net migration at 672,000
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the number of student visas issued increased by 8%, with 639,000 visas (of whom 153,000 are partners or children) issued in the year ending September 2023.
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In the year ending September 2023, care and senior care workers received 101,000 long-term work visas, up from 22,000 in the year ending September 2022. The number of care worker visas continued to accelerate, with over 34,000 in Q3 2023 alone.

jfman 04-12-2023 17:21
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They should name and shame the employers who are most reliant upon migrant workers undermining the working conditions of the Great British worker.

Shouldn’t be too hard HMRC will have the data, NINOs registered on system per year (aged over 16) and link them to their employers. Publish at postcode level by registered
address of the employer.

1andrew1 04-12-2023 17:55
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36165720)
They should name and shame the employers who are most reliant upon migrant workers undermining the working conditions of the Great British worker.

Shouldn’t be too hard HMRC will have the data, NINOs registered on system per year (aged over 16) and link them to their employers. Publish at postcode level by registered
address of the employer.
GDPR requirements may prevent this, though of course the government could presumably legislate to overcome this.

jfman 04-12-2023 17:59
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36165725)
GDPR requirements may prevent this, though of course the government could presumably legislate to overcome this.
At an aggregate level it shouldn’t be a problem for GDPR for those with the numbers.

Only where it became really small numbers would it become plausible for individuals to be identified.

Hugh 04-12-2023 19:23
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67612106

Sephiroth 04-12-2023 20:41
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Someone got that one wrong. Ireland and the UK are within a Common Travel Area and the immigration rules don't apply.

Hugh 04-12-2023 20:45
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Sephiroth 04-12-2023 20:51
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Why waste everybody's time with obscure jokes?

EDIT: Taking your word for it.


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