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denphone 16-10-2019 17:27
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36014107)
It’s entertaining that Johnson is keeping the details from the Cabinet. Clearly this isn’t the Brexit anyone hoped for/was promised.
Was this the same Boris Johnson who once said that no British Tory government could accept customs controls between GB and NI.

jfman 16-10-2019 17:45
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36014108)
Was this the same Boris Johnson who once said that no British Tory government could accept customs controls between GB and NI.
I can only assume you are lying. Boris is an honest man of principles and virtue.

nomadking 16-10-2019 18:01
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36014108)
Was this the same Boris Johnson who once said that no British Tory government could accept customs controls between GB and NI.
Didn't realise that Parliament had actually given him a free hand in negotiations.:rolleyes:

jfman 16-10-2019 18:08
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36014111)
Didn't realise that Parliament had actually given him a free hand in negotiations.:rolleyes:
They don’t have to. There’s always no deal. :)

That’s satisfies his criteria.

nomadking 16-10-2019 18:10
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36014113)
They don’t have to. There’s always no deal. :)

That’s satisfies his criteria.
Where has Parliament said that? Have you read the Benn bill?

pip08456 16-10-2019 18:13
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
BREAKING: French President Macron says on #Brexit, an agreement is being finalised

jfman 16-10-2019 18:33
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36014114)
Where has Parliament said that? Have you read the Benn bill?
It simply enforces a delay. Nothing to stop Boris going for no deal after that.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36014115)
BREAKING: French President Macron says on #Brexit, an agreement is being finalised
To get voted down on Saturday.

Sephiroth 16-10-2019 19:04
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36014063)
In a sensible manner that doesn't adversely affect the country's population and economy.

No one voted to be worse off.
That's because it wasn't on the ballot paper. What was on the ballot paper was crystal clear. Only Remainers play the ballot paper card.

Pierre 16-10-2019 20:25
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36014107)
It’s entertaining that Johnson is keeping the details from the Cabinet. Clearly this isn’t the Brexit anyone hoped for/was promised.
Which one did you hope for?

Hugh 16-10-2019 20:27
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36014108)
Was this the same Boris Johnson who once said that no British Tory government could accept customs controls between GB and NI.
Well, if this is true (a Customs Border running down the Irish Sea), this would be contrary to section 55 of the Taxation (Cross-border Trade) Act 2018
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55 Single United Kingdom customs territory

(1)It shall be unlawful for Her Majesty’s Government to enter into arrangements under which Northern Ireland forms part of a separate customs territory to Great Britain.

(2)For the purposes of this section “customs territory” shall have the same meaning as in the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade 1947 as amended.
Until Section 55 is repealed by Parliament it is unlawful for the United Kingdom to enter into such an agreement - amusingly, this amendment was authored by Jacob Rees-Mog and tabled by members of the European Research Group (ERG)...

jfman 16-10-2019 20:35
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36014129)
Which one did you hope for?
I don't have to hope for any type of Brexit to make the passing observation that radio silence, and Mark Francois visible anger, mean that it's not unicorn Brexit and that clearly there will be some upset at the outcome from within the Brexit camp. Despite it being one homogeneous group where everyone knew exactly what they voted for.

Pierre 16-10-2019 20:40
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36014133)
I don't have to hope for any type of Brexit to make the passing observation that radio silence, and Mark Francois visible anger, mean that it's not unicorn Brexit
Well you do, you made the statement, you can’t qualify that statement because you have no idea what kind of Brexit was hoped for. That is the fundamental argument for Remain.

The only version of expected Brexit that was hoped for that you can opine on is yours. Unless you canvass the 17.4 million to get their view.

nomadking 16-10-2019 20:46
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36014133)
I don't have to hope for any type of Brexit to make the passing observation that radio silence, and Mark Francois visible anger, mean that it's not unicorn Brexit and that clearly there will be some upset at the outcome from within the Brexit camp. Despite it being one homogeneous group where everyone knew exactly what they voted for.
They voted for Leave. Anything that involves the backstop in any shape or form, is not Leave.

jfman 16-10-2019 20:52
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36014135)
Well you do, you made the statement, you can’t qualify that statement because you have no idea what kind of Brexit was hoped for. That is the fundamental argument for Remain.

The only version of expected Brexit that was hoped for that you can opine on is yours. Unless you canvass the 17.4 million to get their view.
Wrong.

Mark Francois is visibly angry. I can opine on that. I doubt he’s a 17.4 million to 1 shot, he seems a fairly average bloke.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36014138)
They voted for Leave. Anything that involves the backstop in any shape or form, is not Leave.
Quite.

Pierre 16-10-2019 21:15
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36014141)
Wrong.

Mark Francois is visibly angry. I can opine on that.
Wow 0.0000057% that voted for Brexit. So representative of the hope and dreams of the voters.

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he seems a fairly average bloke.
Possibly the hardest of the hard line brexiteers................so average.


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