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Mick 30-12-2016 16:08
Re: US Election 2016
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35878388)
Ah, how lovely.... A nice tea party, wouldn't drink anything if I were them. Litvinenko RIP .
You miss the point, as always. Obama trying to spark a fight, Putin not playing to Obama's tune. I am not interested in such conspiracy theories. :rolleyes:

Hugh 30-12-2016 17:07
Re: US Election 2016
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35878391)
He could have left the report on Trump's desk for action rather than announcing it to the public at this time. All looks opportunistic and designed to cause maximum damage.
What, the report Trump doesn't believe is true?

If he had left it, he would have been called lazy and a coward for not doing anything - in fact, Paul Ryan and the majority of the Republican Congress and Senate don't believe he has gone far enough...:(

Mr K 30-12-2016 17:39
Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35878393)
You miss the point, as always. Obama trying to spark a fight, Putin not playing to Obama's tune. I am not interested in such conspiracy theories. :rolleyes:
Conspiracy theories mmmm....
Quote:
Litvinenko Inquiry
In January 2016, a UK public inquiry, headed by Sir Robert Owen, found that Andrey Lugovoy and Dmitry Kovtun were responsible for the poisoning of Litvinenko. The inquiry also found that there was a strong probability that Lugovoy and Kovtun were acting under the direction of the FSB, and that their actions were probably approved by both Nikolai Patrushev, Director of the FSB, and President Vladimir Putin.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pois...der_Litvinenko

The Donald has nice mates. It's a also disgrace that our own government has quietly forgotten about this state sponsored murder on British soil.

Mick 30-12-2016 17:57
Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35878404)
Conspiracy theories mmmm....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pois...der_Litvinenko

The Donald has nice mates. It's a also disgrace that our own government has quietly forgotten about this state sponsored murder on British soil.
So what do you expect them to do ? Go Arrest Putin ? As I said in my last post, I'm not interested.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35878399)
What, the report Trump doesn't believe is true?

If he had left it, he would have been called lazy and a coward for not doing anything - in fact, Paul Ryan and the majority of the Republican Congress and Senate don't believe he has gone far enough...:(
We know how far Hillary Clinton would have gone, she once stated if she was President, she would have treated cyber attacks like any other attack and responded with serious political, economic and military responses. So that's a nuclear world war averted then.

1andrew1 30-12-2016 18:08
Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35878408)
We know how far Hillary Clinton would have gone, she once stated if she was President, she would have treated cyber attacks like any other attack and responded with serious political, economic and military responses. So that's a nuclear world war averted then.
What would you have recommended Obama do?
a) Leave it in Trump's in-tray?
b) Do nothing.
c) Follow Paul Ryan's lead and impose harsher sanctions?

Osem 30-12-2016 19:11
Re: US Election 2016
 
I'm sure Donald's delighted that he's getting such a smooth handover... :D

Arthurgray50@blu 30-12-2016 20:10
Re: US Election 2016
 
I would lay a bet on that in 2017. Someone will try and bump Trump off.

He will cause so much trouble for America. That people will say enough, is enough.

I bet the first time Trump meets Putin, he will say 'thanks for your help in the election '

It should be Clinton at the White House. She has multiple experience in Politics

martyh 30-12-2016 21:00
Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35878408)
We know how far Hillary Clinton would have gone, she once stated if she was President, she would have treated cyber attacks like any other attack and responded with serious political, economic and military responses. So that's a nuclear world war averted then.
so a political and economic response is the same as a nuclear war then,seriously Mick you need to stay of the coffee :rolleyes:

Anyhoo the donald has been summoned next week to see the evidence for himself .
As for the kremlin tea party for the US diplomats kiddies ,there's just something really creepy about that .

Mick 30-12-2016 21:06
Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35878437)
I would lay a bet on that in 2017. Someone will try and bump Trump off.

He will cause so much trouble for America. That people will say enough, is enough.

I bet the first time Trump meets Putin, he will say 'thanks for your help in the election '

It should be Clinton at the White House. She has multiple experience in Politics
Same crap Arthur, different day. ;)

Damien 30-12-2016 21:22
Re: US Election 2016
 
I trust Obama over Putin and America over Russia. It's just not just them though. Our own security services think Russia is one of the biggest threats and despite my reservations over the snoopers charter I certainly trust them over Russia too.

Russia are intentionally exploiting divisions within the West for their own interests. Wether it's the National Front in France, the far-right opposition in Russia, the far-left here or Trump in America. They are not on the side of the right or left of any of these nations, they're on the side of Russia.

Mick 30-12-2016 21:37
Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35878473)
I trust Obama over Putin and America over Russia. It's just not just them though. Our own security services think Russia is one of the biggest threats and despite my reservations over the snoopers charter I certainly trust them over Russia too.

Russia are intentionally exploiting divisions within the West for their own interests. Wether it's the National Front in France, the far-right opposition in Russia, the far-left here or Trump in America. They are not on the side of the right or left of any of these nations, they're on the side of Russia.
So whats your solution ? You would prefer a nuclear conflict with Russia : Remember what I said above about Clinton and that she would respond with Military action as a potential response to cyber hacking. So she would have responded with military action and thats the world plunged into a bloody nuclear conflict, what a fantastic start to 2017. :rolleyes:

martyh 30-12-2016 21:42
Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35878478)
So whats your solution ? You would prefer a nuclear conflict with Russia : Remember what I said above about Clinton and that she would respond with Military action as a potential response to cyber hacking. So she would have responded with military action and thats the world plunged into a bloody nuclear conflict, what a fantastic start to 2017. :rolleyes:
No ,that is not what she said at all and you know it ,stop making crap up

Damien 30-12-2016 22:08
Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35878478)
So whats your solution ? You would prefer a nuclear conflict with Russia : Remember what I said above about Clinton and that she would respond with Military action as a potential response to cyber hacking. So she would have responded with military action and thats the world plunged into a bloody nuclear conflict, what a fantastic start to 2017. :rolleyes:
I think we do what America, Europe and the UK have been doing. If Russia diplomats are interfering or otherwise undermining the best interests of our nation we expel them and we impose sanctions on Russia. Their military is not in great shakes and their economy is worse. Economic sanctions hurt them.

What we do not do is forget about it and appease them just because of an implied threat. Russia should not dictate to us what the terms of our relationship should be, they should face resistance in their attempt to damage our interests and our democracies.

No one wants to escalate this with military action but Russia should not be allowed to take shots at us without retribution. The idea we should just suck it up because it's Russia will only be met with Russia pushing their luck further.

pip08456 30-12-2016 22:19
Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35878480)
No ,that is not what she said at all and you know it ,stop making crap up
Really?

Quote:
Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Party presidential nominee and former US secretary of state, has said that if she becomes president cyberattacks against US interests will be treated "like any other attack" – and that includes military action.

"As President, I will make it clear that the United States will treat cyberattacks just like any other attack. We will be ready with serious political, economic, and military responses," she told the attendees, largely made up of veterans and their supporters.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/clinton-us-...-china-1579187

Mick 30-12-2016 22:42
Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35878482)
I think we do what America, Europe and the UK have been doing. If Russia diplomats are interfering or otherwise undermining the best interests of our nation we expel them and we impose sanctions on Russia. Their military is not in great shakes and their economy is worse. Economic sanctions hurt them.

What we do not do is forget about it and appease them just because of an implied threat. Russia should not dictate to us what the terms of our relationship should be, they should face resistance in their attempt to damage our interests and our democracies.

No one wants to escalate this with military action but Russia should not be allowed to take shots at us without retribution. The idea we should just suck it up because it's Russia will only be met with Russia pushing their luck further.
Russia are not going to take any more economic sanctions lying down, I still don't believe Russia held 63 million Trump voters at gun point, and as I pointed out, Clinton and the US wanted to put their own interests first back in 2006, when Clinton said they should have done something in the 2006 Palestine Elections to determine who was going to win? We had this discussion pages back !


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