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popper 17-03-2008 16:55

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
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Originally Posted by flowrebmit (Post 34508839)
Isn't publishing a letter in full against the Copyright of the Author or Company that the letter writer works for unless you've sought permission?

if they in their original request for information made it known they were going to publish any response then No.

a simple 'i reserve the right to publish any response in part or whole' should be enough to cover that (if they dont reject that in response) in your letters it seems.

i have for instance, explicitly asked for, and receaved permission from 'the register' to re-post all or part of any story they put out, providing i link to the original, i dont make it a habit to include all the story as a rule though.

CaptJamieHunter 17-03-2008 16:55

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flowrebmit (Post 34508839)
Isn't publishing a letter in full against the Copyright of the Author or Company that the letter writer works for unless you've sought permission?

Had the letter said "IN CONFIDENCE" or used some such similar wording then I would have paraphrased its contents. It didn't. In my view there is nothing in the letter which constitues requiring commercial confidentiality.

If the moderators feel otherwise then I will, of course, accept their judgement.

lucevans 17-03-2008 16:56

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
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Originally Posted by ceedee (Post 34508846)
Hey, at least BT Retail have a forum in which they're willing to discuss the issue with their customers!
VM can't even be bothered to revise their three-week-old, error-ridden statement!

And, particularly as a Virgin Media employee, how do you feel about VM "stealing our personal information"?
Shouldn't you be calling for VM customers to leave too?

If you check Kellargh's profile, you'll notice that he/she uses everyone but VM for his/her services. Given that VM employees usually get a discount on VM services, I think that speaks volumes ;)

Toto 17-03-2008 16:58

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
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Originally Posted by lucevans (Post 34508835)
More good news....
Phorm shares down another 9% today :)


Er...yeh, possibly, but I suspect down in terms of the overall market performance, not about what Phorm are doing themselves.

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Originally Posted by lucevans (Post 34508853)
If you check Kellargh's profile, you'll notice that he/she uses everyone but VM for his/her services. Given that VM employees usually get a discount on VM services, I think that speaks volumes ;)

Unless he doesn't live in a cabled part of Swansea. :)

lucevans 17-03-2008 16:58

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Toto (Post 34508854)
Er...yeh, possibly, but I suspect down in terms of the overall market performance, not about what Phorm are doing themselves.

You're probably right, but we can always hope...

Quote:

Unless he doesn't live in a cabled part of Swansea.
Point taken :)

Tightscot 17-03-2008 17:02

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
dunno if this has been posted, but phorm is illegal apparently...Linkage

lucevans 17-03-2008 17:05

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tightscot (Post 34508858)
dunno if this has been posted, but phorm is illegal apparently...Linkage

That's the opinion of the FIPR - apparently Kent Ertugrul has said he's happy for his company's claims that Phorm is legal to be tested in a UK court, so there may be a legal battle looming on the horizon - I wonder if the system will be suspended pending the result (assuming it launches soon)?

MetaWraith 17-03-2008 17:06

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Link to similar article on El Reg
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03..._fipr_illegal/

Toto 17-03-2008 17:07

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lucevans (Post 34508856)
You're probably right, but we can always hope...



Here, here ;)

flowrebmit 17-03-2008 17:09

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptJamieHunter (Post 34508852)
Had the letter said "IN CONFIDENCE" or used some such similar wording then I would have paraphrased its contents. It didn't. In my view there is nothing in the letter which constitues requiring commercial confidentiality.

If the moderators feel otherwise then I will, of course, accept their judgement.

Thanks, I guess I am just feeling a little bit more paranoid than usual.

lucevans 17-03-2008 17:15

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
I've just read the open letter to the Information Commissioners Office from the FIPR : http://www.fipr.org/080317icoletter.html
I think Mr. Ertugrul has a fight on his hands now...

soup@spoon 17-03-2008 17:17

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
as i like to view, free porn site's online.
will i get lot's of ads for free porn sites.
and maybee paid to view them,???

Stuart 17-03-2008 18:00

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Apparently, they won't be carrying porn...

manxminx 17-03-2008 18:05

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
http://www.fipr.org/080317icoletter.html

Excellent letter. Brilliant! It addresses the concerns that I, as a webowner of a members only forum, have. Actually, I think that the FIPR, in writing their letter, used the questions and worries that are expressed on both this thread and the BT forum one

One by one, the nails are being driven into the Phorm coffin.

The day we celebrate the funeral is getting nearer.

JackSon 17-03-2008 18:22

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Who runs a PR company confident enough to take on Sir Tim Berners-Lee regarding the internet and the FIPR regarding information policies? If you do, expect a call from Phorm tonight!


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